Reasons to vote for Joe Biden!

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by oeb11

Biden is a weak figurehead who dos not know where he is most of the time
The radicals AOC and Bernie - are the party - and will impose their will.

Biden just agreed to the New Green Deal for 2030.

A complete 1984 makeover of America.

Read your own party platforms and initiatives, SR!

Civil War is coming.

Just for fun, with which parts of the Green New Deal do you disagree?

"The core pledge of his new policy is for the United States to achieve net zero emissions of greenhouse gases by the year 2050—in line with what mainstream scientists currently say must be the global target. In embracing it, he proclaimed his support for the central principles, if not all the thorny particulars, of the Green New Deal.

What's in the Biden Plan?

Biden's program stops short of embracing the most politically challenging policy elements that the most ardent supporters of the Green New Deal would like to see linked to a climate plan, like universal jobs and health care.

Still, Biden said he "believes the Green New Deal is a crucial framework for meeting the climate challenges we face," his campaign's online summary of the plan said. "Our environment and our economy are completely and totally connected."

Biden promised investment in "coal and power plant communities and other communities impacted by the climate transformation" as part of his plan. "This is support they've earned for fueling our country's industrial revolution and decades of economic growth," the plan said. "We're not going to leave any workers or communities behind."

Also, for the first time, Biden said he would not take campaign contributions from oil, gas or coal companies or their executives. That appears to put him in line with the majority of Democratic presidential candidates, who have signed a No Fossil Fuel Funding pledge."

Again, this is NOT socialism. You have yet to point out one proposal by Biden, or anything Obama did in 8 years in office, that has moved this country towards socialism.

Becoming a socialistic country, and law and order, seem to be Trump's campaign speaking points. We'll see if it works.

[nevergaveitathought]

historically, after a presidential candidate wins the primary

they tack back to the center to be more appealing to more americans

trump had no challengers and has governed from the center so he had no reason to move

but biden is blowin' in the wind and the strongest wind by far in the dimocrat toxic mix is the far left

biden has been captured by the far left due to several things

a. he has no core, he has spent a lifetime just going along to get along to attain the next office up

b. if he even tried to move to the center, the dimocrat party would split and he cant have that

c. too many dims have succumbed to their media and their leaders lies and despite the provable falsity of the hate, they have their backs up and opposites repel and they have been repelled so far to the left they have just about fallen off the edge of the hammer and sickle

biden is a figurehead and just like a George Washington statue, will soon be torn down if elected

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

historically, after a presidential candidate wins the primary

they tack back to the center to be more appealing to more americans

trump had no challengers and has governed from the center so he had no reason to move

but biden is blowin' in the wind and the strongest wind by far in the dimocrat toxic mix is the far left

biden has been captured by the far left due to several things

a. he has no core, he has spent a lifetime just going along to get along to attain the next office up

b. if he even tried to move to the center, the dimocrat party would split and he cant have that

c. too many dims have succumbed to their media and their leaders lies and despite the provable falsity of the hate, they have their backs up and opposites repel and they have been repelled so far to the left they have just about fallen off the edge of the hammer and sickle

biden is a figurehead and just like a George Washington statue, will soon be torn down if elected

Can't disagree with your last point. I wish Warren and Harris were runnung. Cool, calm, and collected Warren was too nice-old-lady-like.

If she would have sent Harris in her stead to debate the president, that would have been a hell of a statement.


Former Michigan GOP party leader flips sides. How he's working to defeat Trump


https://www.freep.com/story/news/pol...mp/5397129002/

Some, including several national columnists, believe it all goes too far, arguing the Lincoln Project members are embittered consultants more in it for themselves than any political end. Some suggest they are raising money and producing ads to keep themselves relevant, line their own firms' pockets and take some measure of credit if Trump loses.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

Former Michigan GOP party leader flips sides. How he's working to defeat Trump

https://www.freep.com/story/news/pol...mp/5397129002/

its a bunch of grifters losing out on making money.


really, a bunch of sad sacks. their pissy because they can't make money off of trump and miscalculated and missed the boat.



they are the most untalented consultant group i've seen. they're not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts.



they want a return to the old way of corruption. thats why they're for biden.

[Reeds]

A vote for Biden is a vote for the VP who will replace him. Until that person is nominated, I don't have a first reason yet.

[oeb11]

SR - It is revised to 2030 - for the US alone - with no help or coopeation from Europe, russia, China, or South america or Asia.

It is a 1984 dream of AOC and Bernie
Read it - it is written as by a fourth graders. To re-make America into theri Version of Venezuela.

Read the Soylent Green new Deal.

If you Like Big Government - you will LOve Bernie and AOC's vision of totalitarian Amerika!

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by oeb11

SR - It is revised to 2030 - for the US alone - with no help or coopeation from Europe, russia, China, or South america or Asia.

It is a 1984 dream of AOC and Bernie
Read it - it is written as by a fourth graders. To re-make America into theri Version of Venezuela.

Read the Soylent Green new Deal.

If you Like Big Government - you will LOve Bernie and AOC's vision of totalitarian Amerika!

As usual you neglected to answer my question:

With which parts of the Green New Deal do you disagree?

[farmstud60]

The Green New Deal is totally wrong. Based on the wrong assumption that the primary fluctuation of global temperatures is caused by change in levels of CO2. So anything based on this wrong assumption is totally worthless.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by farmstud60

The Green New Deal is totally wrong. Based on the wrong assumption that the primary fluctuation of global temperatures is caused by change in levels of CO2. So anything based on this wrong assumption is totally worthless.

I do not want to get into yet another discussion on why it is getting hotter year to year. The assumption is not proven to be "wrong" as you state.

From NASA:

Scientists attribute the global warming trend observed since the mid-20th century to the human expansion of the "greenhouse effect" — warming that results when the atmosphere traps heat radiating from Earth toward space.

Certain gases in the atmosphere block heat from escaping. Long-lived gases that remain semi-permanently in the atmosphere and do not respond physically or chemically to changes in temperature are described as "forcing" climate change. Gases, such as water vapor, which respond physically or chemically to changes in temperature are seen as "feedbacks."

Again, you have your "opinion", which differs with most scientists in this world.

[oeb11]

SR - You criticize for 'not replying' - which seems to be the latest deflection. meanwhile - above - you claim to represent the opinion of 'most scientists' - Hardly.

Prove that assertion - SR.



Meanwhile - here is teh text from AOC:

116TH CONGRESS
1ST SESSION H. RES. ____

Recognizing the duty of the Federal Government to create a Green New
Deal.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Ms. OCASIO-CORTEZ submitted the following resolution; which was referred to
the Committee on ______
RESOLUTION
Recognizing the duty of the Federal Government to create
a Green New Deal.

Whereas the October 2018 report entitled ‘‘Special Report on Global Warming of 1.5oC’’ by the intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and the November 2018 Fourth National Climate Assessment report found that—

1. human activity is the dominant cause of observed climate change over the past century;
2. a changing climate is causing sea levels to rise and an increase in wildfires, severe storms, droughts, and other extreme weather events that threaten human life, healthy communities, and critical infrastructure
3. global warming at or above 2 degrees Celsius beyond preindustrialized levels will cause—
   1. mass migration from the regions most affected by climate change;
   2. more than $500,000,000,000 in lost annual economic output in the United States by the year
      2100;
   3. wildfires that, by 2050, will annually burn at least twice as much forest area in the western
      United States than was typically burned by wildfires in the years preceding 2019;
   4. a loss of more than 99 percent of all coral reefs on Earth;
   5. more than 350,000,000 more people to be exposed globally to deadly heat stress by 2050; and
   6. a risk of damage to $1,000,000,000,000 of public infrastructure and coastal real estate in the
      United States; and
4. global temperatures must be kept below 1.5 degrees Celsius above preindustrialized levels to avoid the most severe impacts of a changing climate, which will require—
   1. global reductions in greenhouse gas emissions from human sources of 40 to 60 percent from
      2010 levels by 2030; and
   2. net-zero emissions by 2050;

Whereas, because the United States has historically been responsible for a disproportionate amount of greenhouse gas emissions, having emitted 20 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions through 2014, and has a high technological capacity, the United States must take a leading role in reducing emissions through economic transformation;
Whereas the United States is currently experiencing several related crises, with—

1. life expectancy declining while basic needs, such as clean air, clean water, healthy food, and adequate health care, housing, transportation, and education, are inaccessible to a significant portion of the United States population;
2. a 4-decade trend of economic stagnation, deindustrialization, and antilabor policies that has led
   to—
   1. hourly wages overall stagnating since the 1970s despite increased worker productivity;
   2. the third-worst level of socioeconomic mobility in the developed world before the Great Recession
   3. the erosion of the earning and bargaining power of workers in the United States; and
   4. inadequate resources for public sector workers to confront the challenges of climate change
      at local, State, and Federal levels; and
3. the greatest income inequality since the 1920s, with—
   1. the top 1 percent of earners accruing 91percent of gains in the first few years of economic
      recovery after the Great Recession;
   2. a large racial wealth divide amounting to a difference of 20 times more wealth between the average White family and the average Black family; and
   3. a gender earnings gap that results in women earning approximately 80 percent as much
      as men, at the median;

Whereas climate change, pollution, and environmental destruction have exacerbated systemic racial, regional, social, environmental, and economic injustices (referred to in this preamble as ‘‘systemic injustices’’) by disproportionately affecting indigenous communities, communities of color, migrant communities, deindustrialized communities, depopulated rural communities, the poor, low-income workers, women, the elderly, the unhoused, people with disabilities, and youth (referred to in this preamble as ‘‘frontline and vulnerable communities’’);
Whereas, climate change constitutes a direct threat to the national security of the United States—

1. by impacting the economic, environmental, and social stability of countries and communities around the world; and
2. by acting as a threat multiplier;

Whereas the Federal Government-led mobilizations during World War II and the New Deal created the greatest middle class that the United States has ever seen, but many members of frontline and vulnerable communities were excluded from many of the economic and societal benefits of those mobilizations; and
Whereas the House of Representatives recognizes that a new national, social, industrial, and economic mobilization on a scale not seen since World War II and the New Deal is a historic opportunity—

1. to create millions of good, high-wage jobs in the United States;
2. to provide unprecedented levels of prosperity and economic security for all people of the United States; and
3. to counteract systemic injustices:

Now, therefore, be it
Resolved, That it is the sense of the House of Representatives that—

1. it is the duty of the Federal Government to create a Green New Deal—
   1. to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions through a fair and just transition for all communities and workers;
   2. to create millions of good, high-wage jobs and ensure prosperity and economic security for all people of the United States;
   3. to invest in the infrastructure and industry of the United States to sustainably meet the challenges of the 21st century;
   4. to secure for all people of the United States for generations to come—
      (i) clean air and water;
      (ii) climate and community resiliency;
      (iii) healthy food;
      (iv) access to nature; and
      (v) a sustainable environment; and
   5. to promote justice and equity by stopping current, preventing future, and repairing historic oppression of indigenous communities, communities of color, migrant communities, deindustrialized communities, depopulated rural communities, the poor, low-income workers, women, the elderly, the unhoused, people with disabilities, and youth (referred to in this resolution as ‘‘frontline and vulnerable communities’’);
2. the goals described in subparagraphs of paragraph (1) above (referred to in this
   resolution as the ‘‘Green New Deal goals’’) should be accomplished through a 10-year national mobilization (referred to in this resolution as the ‘‘Green New Deal mobilization’’) that will require the following goals and projects—
   1. building resiliency against climate change-related disasters, such as extreme weather, including by leveraging funding and providing investments for community-defined projects and strategies;
   2. repairing and upgrading the infrastructure in the United States, including—
      (i) by eliminating pollution and greenhouse gas emissions as much as technologically feasible;
      (ii) by guaranteeing universal access to clean water;
      (iii) by reducing the risks posed by flooding and other climate impacts; and
      (iv) by ensuring that any infrastructure bill considered by Congress addresses climate change;
   3. meeting 100 percent of the power demand in the United States through clean, renewable, and zero-emission energy sources, including—
      (i) by dramatically expanding and upgrading existing renewable power sources; and
      (ii) by deploying new capacity;
   4. building or upgrading to energy-efficient, distributed, and ‘‘smart’’ power grids, and working to ensure affordable access to electricity;
   5. upgrading all existing buildings in the United States and building new buildings to achieve maximal energy efficiency, water efficiency, safety, affordability, comfort, and durability, including through electrification;
   6. spurring massive growth in clean manufacturing in the United States and removing pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from manufacturing and industry as much as is technologically feasible, including by expanding renewable energy manufacturing and investing in existing manufacturing and industry;
   7. working collaboratively with farmers and ranchers in the United States to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the agricultural sector as much as is technologically feasible, including—
      (i) by supporting family farming;
      (ii) by investing in sustainable farming and land use practices that increase soil health; and
      (iii) by building a more sustainable food system that ensures universal access to healthy food;
   8. overhauling transportation systems in the United States to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the transportation sector as much as is technologically feasible, including through investment in—
      (i) zero-emission vehicle infrastructure and manufacturing;
      (ii) clean, affordable, and accessible public transportation; and
      (iii) high-speed rail;
   9. mitigating and managing the long-term adverse health, economic, and other effects of pollution and climate change, including by providing funding for community-defined projects and strategies;
   10. removing greenhouse gases from the atmosphere and reducing pollution, including by restoring natural ecosystems through proven low-tech solutions that increase soil carbon storage, such as preservation and afforestation;
   11. restoring and protecting threatened, endangered, and fragile ecosystems through locally appropriate and science-based projects that enhance biodiversity and support climate resiliency;
   12. cleaning up existing hazardous waste and abandoned sites to promote economic development and sustainability;
   13. identifying other emission and pollution sources and creating solutions to eliminate them; and
   14. promoting the international exchange of technology, expertise, products, funding, and services, with the aim of making the United States the international leader on climate action, and to help other countries achieve a Green New Deal;
3. a Green New Deal must be developed through transparent and inclusive consultation, collaboration, and partnership with frontline and vulnerable communities, labor unions, worker cooperatives, civil society groups, academia, and businesses; and
4. to achieve the Green New Deal goals and mobilization, a Green New Deal will require the following goals and projects—
   1. providing and leveraging, in a way that ensures that the public receives appropriate ownership stakes and returns on investment, adequate capital (including through community grants, public banks, and other public financing), technical expertise, supporting policies, and other forms of assistance to communities, organizations, Federal, State, and local government agencies, and businesses working on the Green New Deal mobilization;
   2. ensuring that the Federal Government takes into account the complete environmental and social costs and impacts of emissions through—
      (i) existing laws;
      (ii) new policies and programs; and
      (iii) ensuring that frontline and vulnerable communities shall not be adversely affected;
   3. providing resources, training, and high-quality education, including higher education, to all people of the United States, with a focus on frontline and vulnerable communities, so those communities may be full and equal participants in the Green New Deal mobilization;
   4. making public investments in the research and development of new clean and renewable energy technologies and industries;
   5. directing investments to spur economic development, deepen and diversify industry in local and regional economies, and build wealth and community ownership, while prioritizing high-quality job creation and economic, social, and environmental benefits in frontline and vulnerable communities that may otherwise struggle with the transition away from greenhouse gas intensive industries;
   6. ensuring the use of democratic and participatory processes that are inclusive of and led by frontline and vulnerable communities and workers to plan, implement, and administer the Green New Deal mobilization at the local level;
   7. ensuring that the Green New Deal mobilization creates high-quality union jobs that pay prevailing wages, hires local workers, offers training and advancement opportunities, and guarantees wage and benefit parity for workers affected by the transition;
   8. guaranteeing a job with a family-sustaining wage, adequate family and medical leave, paid vacations, and retirement security to all people of the United States;
   9. strengthening and protecting the right of all workers to organize, unionize, and collectively bargain free of coercion, intimidation, and harassment;
   10. strengthening and enforcing labor, workplace health and safety, antidiscrimination, and wage and hour standards across all employers, industries, and sectors;
   11. enacting and enforcing trade rules, procurement standards, and border adjustments with strong labor and environmental protections—
       (i) to stop the transfer of jobs and pollution overseas; and
       (ii) to grow domestic manufacturing in the United States;
   12. ensuring that public lands, waters, and oceans are protected and that eminent domain is not abused;
   13. obtaining the free, prior, and informed consent of indigenous people for all decisions that affect indigenous people and their traditional territories, honoring all treaties and agreements with indigenous people, and protecting and enforcing the sovereignty and land rights of indigenous people;
   14. ensuring a commercial environment where every businessperson is free from unfair competition and domination by domestic or international monopolies; and
   15. providing all people of the United States with—
       (i) high-quality health care;
       (ii) affordable, safe, and adequate housing;
       (iii) economic security; and
       (iv) access to clean water, clean air, healthy and affordable food, and nature.

references : issues regarding the Soylent green new Deal - AOC and Bernie's pet socialist marxist legislation:


https://cei.org/blog/how-much-will-g...SAAEgL23_D_BwE
https://www.rstreet.org/2019/02/21/w...iAAEgKcmfD_BwE
https://www.instituteforenergyresear...CAAEgJN0PD_BwE
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthel...mized/full.pdf


SR - i do not expect to change your opinion - having done your research for you.
Trillions of dollars to remake america into a Marxist nightmare - and no cooperation from any other country - this is a delusion that will not change anything to do with the climate.

One good thing - maisie hirono will have to take a sailboat from hawaii through the Panama Canal.

Silver Linings - SR!!!


BTW - Biden is fully on board wit this marxist nonsense - and institute it fully in place by 2030.

10 years - say hello to china nd Russia splitting a self-defeated America in two spheres of influence - at the Mississippi river.

Say hello to russian speak in th east - and Chinese in the west.




So SR - back on topic - If you love this marxist nonsense fourth grade written foolishness - Vote Biden!!!
he won't last long - and a radical marxist VP will take over - if elected.

enjoy Government confiscation of all property and means of production, and a government job, at a government facotry, and live in a govenment apartment on government worthless money, and shop at government stores to stand in line for aloaf of bread.

Enjoy the Soviet life style - SR.

And 9500 - nice two guys StoneWall Inn latest pic , 9500. OBLM will enforce marxism and homosexuality as the only way of life.




Middle america is Armed
Civil War is coming!

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Obamacare is NOT socialism. Under socialism a person must adhere to the policy. No one in this country has to enroll in Obamacare. I have never been covered by Obamacare.

Socialism is a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. ObamaCare is a law that regulates key parts of the same quasi-private and regulated healthcare system we had before the law was passed.

Under ObamaCare we have a regulated private health care industry with a mix of public and private funding. This is best described as a “quasi-private” healthcare system.

A pure “socialist” healthcare system would have total public funding and care (or would at least regulate every aspect of funding and care).

https://obamacarefacts.com/2015/03/3...not-socialism/

+1

Obamacare is not socialism. Biden wants to keep group health insurance from the employer.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by oeb11

SR - You criticize for 'not replying' - which seems to be the latest deflection. meanwhile - above - you claim to represent the opinion of 'most scientists' - Hardly.

Prove that assertion - SR.

I don't represent the opinion of "most scientists". I agree with those that say man is responsible for global warming as stated in the Green New Deal and we have the ability to slow it down considerably. I realize that there is a difference of opinion on this issue which is why I said I don't really want to rehash it again.

Biden agrees with parts of the Green New Deal as does Kamela Harris, as stated in one of your cited articles.

"Biden believes the Green New Deal is a crucial framework for meeting the climate challenges we face. It powerfully captures two basic truths, which are at the core of his plan: (1) the United States urgently needs to embrace greater ambition on an epic scale to meet the scope of this challenge, and (2) our environment and our economy are completely and totally connected."

By using the word "framework" Biden is saying, in my opinion, he agrees with most but not all of the Green New Deal. Biden has said the first thing he will do as POTUS is to rejoin W.H.O. I agree with that. However, I hope the 2nd thing he would do is rejoin the Paris Accord.

[oeb11]

SR - Wishywashy - that is just apologist for Biden.

he is on board with the infliction of the soylent green New Deal and full implementation by 2030.

Prepare for 1984 as the reality of Life in Amerika .


you posed the question - and don't like the non-socialist answer.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by oeb11

SR - Wishywashy - that is just apologist for Biden.

he is on board with the infliction of the soylent green New Deal and full implementation by 2030.

Prepare for 1984 as the reality of Life in Amerika .

you posed the question - and don't like the non-socialist answer.

I don't like the answer because there is nothing to support it. 100% opinion on your part. There is no proof Biden supports the Green New Deal in its totality yet you assume he does.

This planet is getting warmer. FACT. So the question is "Why"? Assuming NASA is correct and the answer is man is the cause, we should work to correct it. Until it can be proven to be 100% true that man is NOT the cause, we should work to correct it. Rejoin the Paris Accord.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I don't like the answer because there is nothing to support it. 100% opinion on your part. There is no proof Biden supports the Green New Deal in its totality yet you assume he does.

This planet is getting warmer. FACT. So the question is "Why"? Assuming NASA is correct and the answer is man is the cause, we should work to correct it. Until it can be proven to be 100% true that man is NOT the cause, we should work to correct it. Rejoin the Paris Accord.

there are things that can't be corrected.



rejoining the paris accord won't make any difference.