Shhh! Don’t Tell Republicans That Women Vote!

[1NEMESIS]

Originally Posted by CJ7

fact remains a federal court diasgrees with your OPINION IB.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...294545870.html


now lets see, who do I really believe? a federal court or some pisswhistler on an internet message board?

gee, thats a toughie.

eos

"pisswhistler" LMAO!!!!

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by 1NEMESIS

"pisswhistler" LMAO!!!!

Another "Liberal-Moronic-Asshole-Obamanite"! Don't you think it's funny how CJ7 tried to use a topically unrelated cite to support his insupportable position! Talk about 'deflecting'!

[cptjohnstone]

IB you are one smart man, but when talking to these idiots it makes you look even smarter

[CuteOldGuy]

+1

[JD Barleycorn]

It is a mistake to think, or insist, that this is a Catholic issue. Judaism, Islam, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, among others have medical directives in their faith. What Obama tried to do is to order a religion (in this case Catholism) to ignore the directives of their faith. Imagine that Obama had ordered an Islamic center to provide bacon sandwiches to the homeless or pulled pork (which are mighty tasty) to the local community people. This is another Niemoller moment. Reverend Niemoller stood up against the Nazis in Germany prior to World War II. He is famous for the statement, "First they came for the socialists and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist...". I am not religious but I can clearly see that they have come for the Catholics and a reasonable person of conscience must take a stand.
I am not saying that anyone who supports Obama is a kindred spirit to the Nazis as I know that a couple of you will try to say. That is your thing. What I am saying that you should never ignore your analytical skills just because your hero is involved. If you truly believe in Obama also recognize that he is a man and makes mistakes. This is one of those mistakes. If you think that he can do no wrong then you are already lost and you truly think he is a messiah.
This country was built on the idea of freedom; the freedom to worship (or not worship), freedom of the press, freedom to associate with whom you please, and the right to go to our government with our grievances. This president is pushing his idea of religious values on our community, without Fox News there would be no press investigating anything, we are being divided by our beliefs and thoughts and condemned as possible terrorists by HLS, the justice department is ignoring warrants and petitions from our elected representatives which is our voice.
If this was George Bush, Ronald Reagan, or Abraham Lincoln many of you would be screaming but you're strangely silent at this time. It is not about the man but about what the administration is trying to do in your name.

[CJ7]

What Obama tried to do is to order a religion (in this case Catholism) to ignore the directives of their faith

wrong JD

the healthcare bill mandates people have insurance .. bitrh control is part of the bill. The bill DOES NOT MANDATE PEOPLE USE BIRTH CONTROL. PERIOD.

If it does maybe one of you really SMART guys can quote the section and article in the bill that says it does.

I''ll wait

[Sidewinder]

Originally Posted by CJ7

should the catholics et al not use birth control, the healthcare law does not force them to BUY RUBBERS OR BC PILLS and use them. Nobody is forcing them to do squat against their religion.

You are mistaken.

The proposed rule would have required health insurance plans offered by Catholic organizations to pay 100% of the cost of contraceptives. This would have applied to health insurance plans purchased from insurance companies and to self-insurance plans whose costs were paid directly by the organizations.

Either way, the Catholic organizations, hence Catholics, would have been required to pay for contraceptives, either through premiums to the insurance company, or through direct benefits payments. THAT's where the problem arises.

What you appear not to understand is that Catholics are not only required by their faith not to use contraceptives. They are also required by their faith NOT TO PAY FOR THEM FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S USE.

[Guest123018-4]

So I can see this forum is not the place to have an intellectual discussion of the issues. I find it amusing that there are still the immature liberals that whine about where the news comes from rather than talk about what needs to be done to save this nation. It is not difficult for a person that has at minimum some basic common sense to ferret out the bias of one source or another and to develop a filter in order to learn something from it. It doesnt take a genius to see what is happening around us and ask a few basic and simple questions to find the answers such as why does everything cost so much more than it did just a few years ago. If you think you are better off than you were then that is great but I dont see it.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by Sidewinder

You are mistaken.

The proposed rule would have required health insurance plans offered by Catholic organizations to pay 100% of the cost of contraceptives. This would have applied to health insurance plans purchased from insurance companies and to self-insurance plans whose costs were paid directly by the organizations.

Either way, the Catholic organizations, hence Catholics, would have been required to pay for contraceptives, either through premiums to the insurance company, or through direct benefits payments. THAT's where the problem arises.

What you appear not to understand is that Catholics are not only required by their faith not to use contraceptives. They are also required by their faith NOT TO PAY FOR THEM FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S USE.

at any glance that argument is very distant ... guilt by association in a national healthcare law seems rather thin IMO. However, the catholics do have the option of not buying insurance and paying the fine, ergo, they are still not forced to buy rubbers for anyone else.

A catholic pays property tax, that tax is used to maintain the street people use to drive to various stores and buy rubbers ... Im more inclined to agree tax is unconstitutional since its forced guilt by association ...

every time a catholic pays an insurance premium they can go to confession say 10 hail marys and its all good ... no problemo.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by CJ7

at any glance that argument is very distant ... guilt by association in a national healthcare law seems rather thin IMO.

Your opinion isn't worth much.

Originally Posted by CJ7

However, the catholics do have the option of not buying insurance and paying the fine, ergo, they are still not forced to buy rubbers for anyone else.

every time a catholic pays an insurance premium they can go to confession say 10 hail marys and its all good ... no problemo.

Typical liberal condescension that drives your ilk to 'believe' they are always right and to 'know' and 'impose' what they 'think' is right and best on others. Well, you are very, very wrong.

[JD Barleycorn]

You do understand that the bill was designed with so many options that Sibelius is able to make changes as she goes. This is one such case. Remember all the recent headlines where she admitted that she didn't ask the Catholic bishops what they were open to?

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Your opinion isn't worth much.
Typical liberal condescension that drives your ilk to 'believe' they are always right and to 'know' and 'impose' what they 'think' is right and best on others. Well, you are very, very wrong.

weak argument, your forte'

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

You do understand that the bill was designed with so many options that Sibelius is able to make changes as she goes. This is one such case. Remember all the recent headlines where she admitted that she didn't ask the Catholic bishops what they were open to?

so youre in favor of religion ruling the government ?

so much for church and state eh?

[Sensia]

A lot of you are missing one really important thing on making sure women have access to contraceptives, it is a health issue. I say this because ovarian cysts are controlled and prevented by taking contraceptives. There are also many other health issues where contraceptives are used to ameliorate pain associated with endometriosis and shrink up endometrial tissues. Not too mention women who suffer from hormonal imbalances. Contraceptive / Birth Control pills are used for more than just simply birth control. No one has the right to deny a woman access to this type treatment simply because they think "well its against my religious beliefs, therefore I can deny her access". I have to take contraceptives because of painful cysts on my ovaries and also to help with perimenopausal symptoms. Did anyone see this gals story? (which is all too common btw). She was denied the right to testify in that panel. Her story about her friend is a very common one for a lot of young women today. Sandro Fluke Video

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by CJ7

weak argument, your forte'

And what is this you just posted? Is this post of yours supposed to represent a strong and credible argument? You failed!


You've offered nothing but liberal-opinionated drivel, and your every attempt to substantiate your argument as more than you 'opinion' has failed. Intellectual weakness and failure is your forté.