Afraid to admit?

[jfarmer]

Originally Posted by ampad

I've only seen a few reviews of tgirls here. I don't see guys tearing into the reviewers really, just the usual comments of "good for you, but not for me" though I really don't understand the need to say they aren't for you. Seems like an under the breath "EWWWW".

I say we don't see more reviews of trannies because of client fears that certain providers would not see them anymore if they've been with a tranny provider. I've read that a "blacklist" happens in the porn industry quite frequently even if condoms are used. Logically the same condition would be applied here.

Exactly couldnt have said it better,I think this is the reason why there are very few transgender reviews on here,not because no-one is doing it but because in the "real" world its noe widely accepted as the norm

[Guest102513-1]

OK Sillygirl...first off, not picking a fight as opposed to just picking your mind...since you started this thread.

First off...let's both get this out of the way, so there is no confusion on my reasoning behind this post.
You and I are never going to see each other. I think that's a fairly safe statement that we both can agreement, LOL.
Ok, so with that being taken out of the equation.....

First off, I am curious, you said your purpose on this thread was geared more towards "self-censorship and social values", rather than trannies and BDSM. So I'm asking, nicely, would you care to perhaps go into alittle more detail?? Are you talking more about behavior and social thinking behind peoples' posting...possible example, what's the mindset behind someone posting...."your an asshole for thinking that way" vs "what are your reasons for your conclusions"

And regarding your comment of women being effected "based upon pack mentality".
Certainly in a case (not being specific, just general) where a gal posts a honest rebuttal say in the Co-Ed about a review on her. If the pack mentality is to jump on her...and just assume the reviewer was right, I could certainly understand the negative effect such nonsense would have on her.

However where a woman (or man for that case) makes a post like, say...."your a total asshole, based upon that comment, and you should be casted to the fires, blah,blah,blah" Do you classify that as "pack mentality" for simply being called out?? Do you honestly think that there should be no reaction to those type of comments....and I'm really not just pointing you out, but in general, OK??

I would not be asking this, execpt, this is your thread, and I'm trying to see what your trying to get at.


And regards to a guy being hesitate to review you or back you...because he's afraid of any back lash. I mean come on, man. You and I have certainly had our disagreements...but that's always been strictly between you and I. I would never...and more importantly, THE GROUP in general is not going to turn on him, for any support he gives you. Personally I have always acknowledge it's your on line persona that would keep me from ever seeing you, but I typically acknowledge that ur review history is solid...there is never on my part, and MORE IMPORTANTLY the general consesus of group that would turn on any of your reviewers, that's being a bit parinod on the guy's part IMO.

Certainly, I shake my head in wonder, at the guys who blindly support some of your more "cutting edge" comments...but I would not specifically go at them....nor would I think they would GIVE A RAT'S ASS as to what my opinion was of them. They are going to do, what they feel is right....no "anti-SG" poster is going to influence them at all. And quite frankly, of course that's the way it should be.

More I could say....but I'll stop here, to see if you care to comment

[Lovin50]

Originally Posted by jfarmer

Exactly couldnt have said it better,I think this is the reason why there are very few transgender reviews on here,not because no-one is doing it but because in the "real" world its noe widely accepted as the norm

Very true. You also use the correct word here that most don't choose to recognize is different.
Transgender.
Here’s some deep thinking for everyone to ignore or say WTF? If they choose. A lot of folks just group all as transsexual, TS, Ladyboy ect..ect.. Along with a Transgender. These groups should not be and cannot be thought of as one and vary from a cultural conventional gender role. A Transgender woman is one who identifies herself as a typical female but who’s anatomy so to speak just simply doesn’t match. If you know or try to get to know the woman as they are you will find that their internal experience of gender is very different from most. They for the most part live their lives as a woman in every way except sexual satisfaction.

May be a little off the topic but something to consider when judging the other side in this conversation. I’m sure there are those who don’t consider or care as they are only looking to fulfill a fantasy or fetish and that’s all good but everyone in all groups does deserve some respect and courtesy and everyone has done both here.

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Ok, I admit it! I'm Afraid now. (but I'd still check it out)

[buzzworm86]

Originally Posted by Muffrider

A very interesting question that raises issues about social values in a strictly virtual world. I suspect that many people fear rejection even if it's limited to cyberspace. Though it's strictly anonymous and virtual, there is a "community" of sorts. I have an image in my mind for a lot of the people who regularly post on this board, and even though I haven't met them, I feel like I know their online personae.

Mr. Rider has a thoughtful response. It is ironic, as Sillygirl says that we are on this anonymous forum but may still feel the need to self censor.

There is a poll on the national board that I refused to answer because I am worried about labels, presumptions, or inferences drawn by the way I answer. I feel a pretty heavy inclination to self censor and conform most of this is due to my own insecurity, even though I understand if I were to become such a pariah I could just change avatars and email addresses and start fresh.

I am also concerned that if I would not self censor and fly the freak flag a provider may be repulsed and refuse to see me in the future.

[FireSerpent]

I didn't have time to answer your question myself earlier. I only keyed the first thoughts about your query which entered my head to gain a further impression of your perspective. But, I think it is fair that I respond honestly.

I do my best to be honest in my reviews. Granted, there are people I've met who I have not written reviews for (and I don't write reviews every time I see someone)--this was not based on some site oriented peer pressure. In fact, the peer pressure is to write reviews. Reviews which are honest while still being informative and/or interesting.

At the end of the day, I really don't think my opinion of someone matters beyond the scope of my desires and interests matching up with someone who has similar desires and interests and seeks to find a provider who matches that for which he seeks.

Doesn't matter if they don't match up with what everyone else is looking for... everyone has different wants and wishes. I will not judge a man too harshly for preferring someone I'm not attracted to.

[MsElena]

No one should judge anyone for seeing someone that they're not attracted to. Its not your money, its not your dick, so why would you care?

Everyone has different wants, needs and everyone is attracted to people for different reasons. No one should judge a person for who they see or why they see them.

At the end of the day, you're all payin a chick/TS/whatever to blow you or fuck you AKA you're all in this for pretty much the same reasons.

[Muffrider]

I read the OP to ask why would one of us be reluctant to admit a preference "out of the norm" on a board where the members live in relative anonymity. For me, the answer is that even though it is relatively anonymous (not completely as some have observed, but she said "relatively anonymous" which it is), we still fear rejection even if it's restricted to cyberspace. Maybe the answer is that it's NOT anonymous to the extent that we attribute some value to our cyber-personae, and it hurts when those personae are tested or rejected.

All of us have felt the need to respond to a barb directed toward one of our responses. That need, I postulate, stems from the perception of harm to the cyber personae. Otherwise, why would we respond?

Ok, I need a drink.

[Guest102513-1]

Hey Muffrider.....yea I'm thinking your hitting OP's purpose of this thread...perhaps she'll expand, or perhaps not, her call.

I would throw out, in addition to your point, that a respond would also simply be the poster's reaction to what he/she felt was a post that was out-of-line, rather than to harm the cyber's personae. In that case, the respond could come from not a direct comment aim at the individual, but instead at another individual.

But I also see your point as well

[Muffrider]

Originally Posted by vkmaster

I would throw out, in addition to your point, that a respond would also simply be the poster's reaction to what he/she felt was a post that was out-of-line, rather than to harm the cyber's personae. In that case, the respond could come from not a direct comment aim at the individual, but instead at another individual.

Hadn't considered that. Good point, and as my pop would say, "Good point, but a tall hat will cover that." LOL.