Odumbo's CIA Director John Brennan Voted for the Communist Party of the USA

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by papadee

Because thoughts aren't crimes in the US.... at least not yet.

Hmmm... Trump thought about firing Mueller last June, and now according to the MSM that's supposed to be evidence of the crime of obstruction of justice.

Is it a crime for a U.S. citizen to belong to al-Queda or ISIS?

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by papadee

Skip the extortion/blackmail scenario. The wife beater committed a crime, a FELONY...

Originally Posted by papadee

The OP labelled him a "wife beater"...

Ooops! How about if I change it to "alleged wife beater"? As far as I can tell, he was never charged or convicted.

[papadee]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

So why do you keep repeating it and not accepting his denial?

If mentioning the term that someone else used to advance his argument , in opposition to that argument, is "repeating", so be it. But I never called Porter a "wife beater". I based my response on the OP's assertion. Then you & others blame me for the WB assertion. I'm not going to accept blame for something I didn't say.

[papadee]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Ooops! How about if I change it to "alleged wife beater"? As far as I can tell, he was never charged or convicted.

Then we'd have a different discussion. And that's fine with me.

[papadee]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Hmmm... Trump thought about firing Mueller last June, and now according to the MSM that's supposed to be evidence of the crime of obstruction of justice.

Is it a crime for a U.S. citizen to belong to al-Queda or ISIS?

I'd have to check to be sure, but I would think so. Joining ("belong") is a material act, not a thought. Sympathizing or agreeing with ISIS while reprehensible, isn't a crime itself, but it will lead to surveillance & investigation to look for evidence of a crime.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Yes, I heard that on the Lame Stream Media!

What I didn't hear was an explanation with an example of the fake extortion attempt scenario. But I wouldn't want to embarrass a "national media pundit" by challenging their creative abilities.

Just a purely academic question, of course!

Is there a "chance of extortion" when a young female is snuck into the White House inner sanctum to suck the President's dick?

Is there also a "chance of extortion" when Secret Service agents tasked with protecting the President drink and fuck prostitutes in their hotel room outside of the United States?

The list is almost endless of "chances of extortion"!



And some don't even need the "extortion" attempt!

And were these the same "national media pundits" who marginalized and ridiculed the Vice-President of the United States of America for failing to STAND UP from behind the bullet proof shield in front of him in "enemy territory" to "honor" the North Koreans? They are fretting over a "chance of extortion," but want the VP to expose himself to death?

The next several years are going to be "fun"!

Hopefully Brennan will get tapped for perjury and go to prison like the Watergate witnesses who lied to Congress, since Clapper has stated that the Russian investigation "pales" in comparison to Watergate.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by papadee

Show me where in the communist manifesto that it specifically states that.

You're repeating the same tripe over & over. Communists are just as happy to be elected to govt. It's not a principle that they have to subvert & overthrow govts. to gain power.

Granted, not all commies are the same. After WWII ended in Europe, the communist parties in France and Italy routinely garnered large shares of the vote in their respective countries and won significant legislative seats. They campaigned as being moderate and home-grown and independent from Moscow in order to appeal to the local electorate. If they had gained power, everyone knew (or suspected) they would change the democratic rules in order to stay in power, much like Hitler did after winning election in 1933. Fortunately, this expectation was never tested since they never gained real power. The leaders of the communist parties of Italy and France traveled frequently to Moscow, where they consulted with and took advice from their Kremlin comrades, even as they pretended not to be pawns.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by papadee

Edit: Just read the article. Didn't add anything. Brennan was asked if he ever worked with or for a group that was dedicated to overthrowing the US. He responded he voted communist.

Two issues. 1. Voting isn't the same as working for/with. 2. Prove that the US Communist Party in 1976 was dedicated to overthrowing the Govt. Just because Brennan thought voting might disqualify him from the CIA, doesn't make his belief/fear true.

You're doing everything you can to avoid putting this into proper perspective.

The libtard argument is so what - it was just a youthful indiscretion on the part of Brennan to vote for Gus Hall back in 1976, a protest vote, no biggie! I beg to differ. It shows an appalling lack of judgment. He was in his 20s and out of college, so he had studied Marxism and knew what he was doing.

Of course it wasn't a crime for this stooge to vote for the USA communist party, but how the fuck does he wind up in charge of our country's leading intelligence agency??? Oh yeah, odumbo appointed him. Odumbo probably viewed his "youthful indiscretion" as a plus! As far as odumbo was concerned, the only thing that might have looked better on Brennan's resume would have been membership in the Weather Underground with Bill Ayers!

And don't you appreciate the supreme irony here? A guy who admits voting for a US political party whose leader (Gus Hall) pledged fealty to the Kremlin winds up running an investigation into a US Presidential campaign accused of colluding with the Kremlin?

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Communist theology dictates that all governments -- including that of the U.S. -- be subverted and overthrown to advance the communist agenda of world domination by the proletariat. How is that not a violation of the Constitutional mandate to serve and protect the institutions and laws of the United States and protect the rights of American citizens who live in the United States?

And how is it also NOT a violation of one's oath when one becomes a Citizen??

Originally Posted by papadee

Skip the extortion/blackmail scenario. The wife beater committed a crime, a FELONY, that's why he's worse.

So IYO, cause he got accused of a crime, he's worse than someone who actually DID break the law, but cause of the FBI covering for her, never got charged or convicted?? Got it. Let's all start making accusations against papadee, and see how he reacts..

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by papadee

Show me where in the communist manifesto that it specifically states that.

You're repeating the same tripe over & over. Communists are just as happy to be elected to govt. It's not a principle that they have to subvert & overthrow govts. to gain power.

Your lot in life is to be forever ignorant.

"The proletariat, the lowest stratum of our present society, cannot stir, cannot raise itself up, without the whole superincumbent strata of official society being sprung into the air. Though not in substance, yet in form, the struggle of the proletariat with the bourgeoisie is at first a national struggle. The proletariat of each country must, of course, first of all settle matters with its own bourgeoisie. In depicting the most general phases of the development of the proletariat, we traced the more or less veiled civil war, raging within existing society, up to the point where that war breaks out into open revolution, and where the violent overthrow of the bourgeoisie lays the foundation for the sway of the proletariat. (...) The Communists fight for the attainment of the immediate aims, for the enforcement of the momentary interests of the working class; (...) The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution."

— Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, The Communist Manifesto, 1848

The victory of the Russian Communist Party in the Bolshevik Revolution of November 1917 was felt throughout the world. An alternative path to power to parliamentary politics was demonstrated. With much of Europe on the verge of economic and political collapse in the aftermath of the carnage of the Great War, revolutionary sentiments were widespread. The Russian Bolsheviks, headed by Lenin, believed that unless socialist revolution swept Europe, they would be crushed by the military might of world capitalism ... The Bolsheviks believed that this required a new international to foment revolution in Europe and around the world.

(Wiki)

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by papadee

When did Russia/USSR become the "Vatican" of communism. Communism is an idea that can and has existed outside of Russia, without fealty to Russia.

True, but let's keep it in historical context - back in 1976, Russia was very much the Vatican of communism, notwithstanding the Sino-Soviet split.

[papadee]

Originally Posted by lustylad

You're doing everything you can to avoid putting this into proper perspective.



And don't you appreciate the supreme irony here? A guy who admits voting for a US political party whose leader (Gus Hall) pledged fealty to the Kremlin winds up running an investigation into a US political candidate accused of colluding with the Kremlin?

And what perspective is that?

Show me where Guy hall pledged fealty to the Kremlin.

[papadee]

Originally Posted by lustylad

True, but let's keep it in historical context - back in 1976, Russia was very much the Vatican of communism, notwithstanding the Sino-Soviet split.

Hilarious. The largest communist nation in the world, China, doesn't pledge fealty to Russia, and you say "notwithstanding". Also Albania wasn't under Russia's influence.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

today what exactly is the difference between voting for the communist party ticket or the dimocrat party ticket?

Originally Posted by papadee

And since President Trump has supported Dimocrats in the past (Schumer, H. Clinton), does that make him a commie sympathizer?

Hahaha... good one, papadoodoo. But I think ngiat's comment was partly tongue-in-cheek. You overlook that he said "today". Back in the days when Trumpy supported them, the dims were still tepidly pro-capitalist.

[papadee]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Your lot in life is to be forever ignorant.

Marx talked about overthrowing social conditions, not govts., and that the civil war between the proles & bourgeoisie already existed, and the overthrow of the bourgeoisie needed to take place. That can be done after peaceful elections (see South Africa). And to a lesser extent, Zimbabwe. After the war Mugabe was peacefully elected, then later started confiscating the property of the bourgeoisie.