LaVar Ball Pulls Son out of UCLA

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by goodolboy

Watch 30 for 30 broke. Lots of story's about broke athletes who should have made good use of their free college education.

Again, you are condemning ALL student/athletes for the actions of a few. The estimate is that more than 460,000 student/athletes compete in 24 sports each year in college. The overwhelming majority of those student/athletes, 84%, go on to graduate within 6 years, The chances of going from college to pro is less than 2%. Most of those 24 sports are sports in which a pro career is the longest of long shots, and sometimes no pro career is available at all.

I agree that ALL student/athletes should realize how lucky they are to SOMETIMES be given a free ride to college. For some it is just a waiting game until they can go pro. And sometimes those who go pro screw up and squander their money.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Again, you are condemning ALL student/athletes for the actions of a few. The estimate is that more than 460,000 student/athletes compete in 24 sports each year in college. The overwhelming majority of those student/athletes, 84%, go on to graduate within 6 years, The chances of going from college to pro is less than 2%. Most of those 24 sports are sports in which a pro career is the longest of long shots, and sometimes no pro career is available at all.

I agree that ALL student/athletes should realize how lucky they are to SOMETIMES be given a free ride to college. For some it is just a waiting game until they can go pro. And sometimes those who go pro screw up and squander their money.

Speedy, the discussion really entails men’s division 1A football and basketball. Those are the revenue producing sports. Those athletes get all the perks and preferential treatment in college. Those sports fund the athletic departments. Without them, no title 9 sports. Those are the athletes that don’t take their education that seriously. It’s a minor league for the NFL and NBA. I’m in favor of paying these players if their only interest is furthering their athletic careers. Let the NFL and NBA poney up some money. They don’t have farm systems to pay for like MLB or the NHL. Although there are some elite baseball and hockey players that do opt for college rather than a professional farm system. But few and far between.

[goodolboy]

I was referring to the thread topic. "LaVar Ball Pulls Son out of UCLA "

His son has a full scholarship at UCLA

His father said he was only going to stay in school 1 year, "one and done"

His father has now pulled his son out of school because he feels that his son was unfairly suspended from basketball for getting caught stealing from 3 stores in China, because Trump got him off, and no charges were filed.

Does any of the above sound like a student or father that are serious about his sons school work and education?

[bambino]

Originally Posted by goodolboy

I was referring to the thread topic. "LaVar Ball Pulls Son out of UCLA "

His son has a full scholarship at UCLA

His father said he was only going to stay in school 1 year, "one and done"

His father has now pulled his son out of school because he feels that his son was unfairly suspended from basketball for getting caught stealing from 3 stores in China, because Trump got him off, and no charges were filed.

Does any of the above sound like a student or father that are serious about his sons school work and education?

Of course not. It’s just a charade for many. The Ball family is a glowing example of it.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by bambino

Speedy, the discussion really entails men’s division 1A football and basketball. Those are the revenue producing sports. Those athletes get all the perks and preferential treatment in college. Those sports fund the athletic departments. Without them, no title 9 sports. Those are the athletes that don’t take their education that seriously. It’s a minor league for the NFL and NBA. I’m in favor of paying these players if their only interest is furthering their athletic careers. Let the NFL and NBA poney up some money. They don’t have farm systems to pay for like MLB or the NHL. Although there are some elite baseball and hockey players that do opt for college rather than a professional farm system. But few and far between.

I agree with you that the focus should limit itself to college football and basketball programs.
And we should in fact limit the discussion to Division 1 (FBS in football) because top recruits in football and basketball are going to end up here rather than D2 or D3 schools, with a few exceptions. And further, we should limit the discussion to a handful of those D1 schools that are athletic "factories". There are many D1 colleges that student/athletes should not go to if their focus is mainly on the athlete side of student/athlete. I would still say that the majority of student/athletes in football for sure and probably basketball do take the academic side of their lives seriously but some obviously do not. Why would Marvin Bagley at Duke take academics that seriously? In a few months he will be a millionaire. All he has to do is pass 4-5 courses in the Fall semester and that is it for his college career.

According to NCAA statistics, more student/athletes graduate within 6 years of entering college than non-student athletes. At one point in time I was able to find graduation rates by sport. Can't find it quickly today. I would bet that D1 basketball comes off the worst by far since there are only 12-13 scholarships available and players can leave after only 1 year of college. And as this link points out, HS basketball players are the worst in believing they have a realistic shot at making the pros.

http://www.ncaa.org/static/champion/....AvlS1i71.dpbs

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by goodolboy

I was referring to the thread topic. "LaVar Ball Pulls Son out of UCLA "

His son has a full scholarship at UCLA

His father said he was only going to stay in school 1 year, "one and done"

His father has now pulled his son out of school because he feels that his son was unfairly suspended from basketball for getting caught stealing from 3 stores in China, because Trump got him off, and no charges were filed.

Does any of the above sound like a student or father that are serious about his sons school work and education?

LaVar Ball is an opportunist who is using his 3 sons to better his own life. I've said more than a few times that there are a handful of Freshman college basketball players (Bagley, Bamba, and Porter to name 3), who are only in college because they can't turn pro yet. They will leave college after 1 year and be millionaires soon after. The Ball case is hardly a fair example of the average student/athlete, even in basketball.

[bigwill832]

IF that kid does make it to the NBA, does anyone want to place bets on how long before he ends up in the news for showing his ass and getting arrested for something or being broke faster than a new Private spending money on the first stripper he sees after boot camp?

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

LaVar Ball is an opportunist who is using his 3 sons to better his own life. I've said more than a few times that there are a handful of Freshman college basketball players (Bagley, Bamba, and Porter to name 3), who are only in college because they can't turn pro yet. They will leave college after 1 year and be millionaires soon after. The Ball case is hardly a fair example of the average student/athlete, even in basketball.

This is all the NBA's fault. in the old days, in the post ww2 days when the league was just getting started there was no rule about college. mainly because there weren't that many big programs yet. in the 50's you could try out and get signed.

and it was all kool. for awhile. then the NCAA stuck it's nose in it. now that big time programs like UCLA and UK emerged, they wanted these kids to play college ball. and got the NBA to make it hard for players to get in, a rule that became known as the Spencer Haywood Rule. In part, if the ABA had not taken off, Haywood likely would have lost. as it is, he won exactly the right, as a over 18 year adult, fully legal, to skip college and sign a pro contract.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencer_Haywood

note he was in college. after his sophomore year an existing NBA rule prohibited him to join the NBA until his college class graduated, an arcane bs rule of course which under threat of SCOTUS review forced the NBA (along with the success of the ABA for leverage) forced them to settle and let Haywood play.

then for awhile you had players coming in directly. or could at least. as expected only a select few were ready. guys like Moses Malone and Darryl Dawkins. later, Kobe did it. then it all when back to the NBA, under pressure once again by the NCAA, and a new "one and done" rule emerged.

So that's where we are now. over the decade or so, the NBA has illegally enacted a barrier to employ to an otherwise adult. that no one has evoked Haywood shows how few are really ready. Haywood himself and the select list plus maybe < 12 more over time could make a great case. but many decent college level talented players could.

so the NBA now claims they are gonna fix this. ok. we're waiting. interestingly .. my home state program UK is one of the few to feast on the "one and done" as a talent draw. Yet Calipari was not in favor of this new restriction to employment. and yet he's only managed to win 1 title under this plan against 4 final fours. if half of his teams had to return, he'd have won at least 2 more title.

even the hated Puke Blue Sissies and Coach Kididdlehooper (any sports fan knows why UK hates Duke, others .. figure it out! bahaa) got into it after going "stale" on deep NCAA runs. He allowed some top player a one and deal to come to Duke and bagged a 5th for it.

So .. what does the NBA do to fix their own mess?

there's only one thing they can do. Kill "one and done". it wouldn't survive any reasonable court challenge. that no slam dunk Kobe in modern day hasn't doesn't mean it's not essentially an illegal barrier to employment. So get the fuck rid of it. Make the rules that any player 18 years old at the day of the annual NBA draft can declare and come to the NBA combine.

So that fixes the NBA. now how do you fix the NCAA? you don't. have the NCAA acknowledge the NBA's new rule with one out for the NCAA .. the only one that matters. Only if a player gets signed does he lose forever any NCAA eligibility .. otherwise why should the NCAA care if he takes a scholarship?

So. Problem Solved! bahahaaa

interestingly .. LaVar Ball and his kids would be a slam dunk case to challenge the NBA's illegal barrier. He already got one kid drafted highly (too highly but that's the NBA again for ya) within the current one and done rules, with the middle son despite the recent legal drama did get a D1 scholarship to UCLA, not exactly a nobody. Scouting intel claims that while Lonzo was marginally good enough from an early draft point of view to get in the NBA, LiAngelo isn't at the moment considered NBA worthy.2-3 years from now? maybe. The youngest sone LeMelo is potentially the best of all of them, including Lonzo. Interesting. We shall see.

if these younger two are good enough and put in the work even as non-NBA pro's (Europe, not China for LiAngelo) they'll get enough good scouting reports to get try out for the supplemental draft.

So it'll all sort out by ability and determination, as it always does.

but one question remains ..

What About LaVar's 4th son, LemonJello???


bahahaaa

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

but one question remains ..

What About LaVar's 4th son, LemonJello???

bahahaaa

a desert?

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

a desert?

as long as he changes his name to MongolianLemonJello?




bahahahaaaaaaaaa

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

This is all the NBA's fault. in the old days, in the post ww2 days when the league was just getting started there was no rule about college. mainly because there weren't that many big programs yet. in the 50's you could try out and get signed.

and it was all kool. for awhile. then the NCAA stuck it's nose in it. now that big time programs like UCLA and UK emerged, they wanted these kids to play college ball. and got the NBA to make it hard for players to get in, a rule that became known as the Spencer Haywood Rule. In part, if the ABA had not taken off, Haywood likely would have lost. as it is, he won exactly the right, as a over 18 year adult, fully legal, to skip college and sign a pro contract.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencer_Haywood

note he was in college. after his sophomore year an existing NBA rule prohibited him to join the NBA until his college class graduated, an arcane bs rule of course which under threat of SCOTUS review forced the NBA (along with the success of the ABA for leverage) forced them to settle and let Haywood play.

then for awhile you had players coming in directly. or could at least. as expected only a select few were ready. guys like Moses Malone and Darryl Dawkins. later, Kobe did it. then it all when back to the NBA, under pressure once again by the NCAA, and a new "one and done" rule emerged.

So that's where we are now. over the decade or so, the NBA has illegally enacted a barrier to employ to an otherwise adult. that no one has evoked Haywood shows how few are really ready. Haywood himself and the select list plus maybe < 12 more over time could make a great case. but many decent college level talented players could.

so the NBA now claims they are gonna fix this. ok. we're waiting. interestingly .. my home state program UK is one of the few to feast on the "one and done" as a talent draw. Yet Calipari was not in favor of this new restriction to employment. and yet he's only managed to win 1 title under this plan against 4 final fours. if half of his teams had to return, he'd have won at least 2 more title.

even the hated Puke Blue Sissies and Coach Kididdlehooper (any sports fan knows why UK hates Duke, others .. figure it out! bahaa) got into it after going "stale" on deep NCAA runs. He allowed some top player a one and deal to come to Duke and bagged a 5th for it.

So .. what does the NBA do to fix their own mess?

there's only one thing they can do. Kill "one and done". it wouldn't survive any reasonable court challenge. that no slam dunk Kobe in modern day hasn't doesn't mean it's not essentially an illegal barrier to employment. So get the fuck rid of it. Make the rules that any player 18 years old at the day of the annual NBA draft can declare and come to the NBA combine.

So that fixes the NBA. now how do you fix the NCAA? you don't. have the NCAA acknowledge the NBA's new rule with one out for the NCAA .. the only one that matters. Only if a player gets signed does he lose forever any NCAA eligibility .. otherwise why should the NCAA care if he takes a scholarship?

So. Problem Solved! bahahaaa

interestingly .. LaVar Ball and his kids would be a slam dunk case to challenge the NBA's illegal barrier. He already got one kid drafted highly (too highly but that's the NBA again for ya) within the current one and done rules, with the middle son despite the recent legal drama did get a D1 scholarship to UCLA, not exactly a nobody. Scouting intel claims that while Lonzo was marginally good enough from an early draft point of view to get in the NBA, LiAngelo isn't at the moment considered NBA worthy.2-3 years from now? maybe. The youngest sone LeMelo is potentially the best of all of them, including Lonzo. Interesting. We shall see.

if these younger two are good enough and put in the work even as non-NBA pro's (Europe, not China for LiAngelo) they'll get enough good scouting reports to get try out for the supplemental draft.

So it'll all sort out by ability and determination, as it always does.

but one question remains ..

What About LaVar's 4th son, LemonJello???


bahahaaa

For once I don't disagree with you at all. I like the NCAA rule on baseball players. You can sign a pro contract directly out of HS but if you decide to go to college you must wait 3 years until you can go pro. The one-and-done rule for basketball players is idiotic.

[goodolboy]

LaVar Ball sends his sons to play in LITHUANIA after pulling them both out of school in the United States after UCLA-Trump row

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[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by goodolboy

LaVar Ball sends his sons to play in LITHUANIA after pulling them both out of school in the United States after UCLA-Trump row

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz513jlgBQw
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I remember a few years ago when a HS player by the name of Emmanual Mudiay decided to go to China to play basketball after graduation rather than go to college. One-year, $1.2 million contract. He now plays for the Denver Nuggets.

[BigLouie]

And his son playing for the Lakers is shooting less than 30% and there is talk of sending him to the D League

[Yssup Rider]

And why do YOU give a fuck whether the kid goes to UCLA?

Frankly, if he's not going to take advantage of the scholarship, let someone else have it.

You guys are just pissing and moaning because Pop kicked Twitler's ass in social media. And after all, that's where the world opinions are shaped.

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