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Climate is measured over a 30 year time frame? Seriously? Sorry, eatfido, you're an idiot. And again, like your buddy LittleLiberalEva, you offer no solutions. You only want to bitch about it. At least you haven't called for non-stop worldwide Olympic Games.
Link? No? Didn't think so, just more hot air from Tonto.
Climate is, by definition, the "average" weather for a region over a long period of time. That time period is generally accepted to be about 30 years. On top of that, it is a slow process. So unless you are approaching 90 years old, you likely aren't going to have seen a very significant change in the climate for your region. Even if you had, because of short term randomness, especially when looking at one specific region, it wouldn't really represent anything because it could be easily just natural variance.
We have to look at the system as a whole. And, yes, over the past 30 years, the average temperature across the US universally is up from the 1970s. There is no doubt that the climate is changing in the US. Most deniers have had to accept the reality that the earth is, in fact, changing and getting warmer. The new denials are no longer that the earth is changing, but that humans have nothing to do with it.
On top of that, if we wait until the climate starts to change drastically before we admit that the obviously changing climate is changing, it is going to be too late to stave off some of the most disastrous consequences. It might already be too late.
The issue isn't right mostly in the present. We know this. The issue is that we know that what we have already done to the atmosphere is setting us up for problems in the future. We can't just flip off a switch and everything will go back to normal. If we were to continue with our current pace of burning fossil fuels until we ran out, it would be at least tens of thousands of years before the earth returned to "normal."
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This chart shows how global climate has changed over geological time.
Climate is changing all the time. Always has and always will.
I am more concerned about a cosmic burp from the sun than the very little that man as a whole can do to the climate. Hell one good volcano can fuck things up for years. One small asteroid could drive us all to extinction.
You go back to living in caves and sod houses and eating all of your food raw making sure you do not cut any trees or start any fires and I will continue along and drive by in my SUV and wave at your stupid ass from the comfort of my Corinthian leather seats while the AC keeps my balls at a nice and comfortable temperature. Suckers.
MEGA FLARE! Not Good... It happens every 150-200 years, We are DUE...
Climate is, by definition, the "average" weather for a region over a long period of time. That time period is generally accepted to be about 30 years. On top of that, it is a slow process. So unless you are approaching 90 years old, you likely aren't going to have seen a very significant change in the climate for your region. Even if you had, because of short term randomness, especially when looking at one specific region, it wouldn't really represent anything because it could be easily just natural variance.
We have to look at the system as a whole. And, yes, over the past 30 years, the average temperature across the US universally is up from the 1970s. There is no doubt that the climate is changing in the US. Most deniers have had to accept the reality that the earth is, in fact, changing and getting warmer. The new denials are no longer that the earth is changing, but that humans have nothing to do with it.
On top of that, if we wait until the climate starts to change drastically before we admit that the obviously changing climate is changing, it is going to be too late to stave off some of the most disastrous consequences. It might already be too late.
The issue isn't right mostly in the present. We know this. The issue is that we know that what we have already done to the atmosphere is setting us up for problems in the future. We can't just flip off a switch and everything will go back to normal. If we were to continue with our current pace of burning fossil fuels until we ran out, it would be at least tens of thousands of years before the earth returned to "normal."
In the 1970's world population was around 3.5 Billion and oil consumption was in the area of 5 Billion tons. Today world population has doubled and oil consumption has also dramatically increased and the average overall ambient temperature of the earth has only increased by 1.3 degrees hardly catastrophic. I really don't see the hysteria. I am more concerned about pollution than Climate Change/ Global Warming, whatever you want to call it.
In the 1970's world population was around 3.5 Billion and oil consumption was in the area of 5 Billion tons. Today world population has doubled and oil consumption has also dramatically increased and the average overall ambient temperature of the earth has only increased by 1.3 degrees hardly catastrophic. I really don't see the hysteria. I am more concerned about pollution than Climate Change/ Global Warming, whatever you want to call it.
Jim
1.3 degrees? that's within the statistical margin of error. even if not, it means the Earth has hardly warmed at all despite over 7 billion energy greedy humans. we haven't even made a dent in the climate.
as i've said repeatedly, and that old idiot Ivan the Kanass chimp simply cannot comprehend, pollution is the problem. the rest is a fiction of the global elite.
it's funny how arrogant these "elites" really are. they've admitted it's a scam to destroy Capitalism. don't these idiots know how to keep a secret? or don't they even care?
Ivan, you are lucky. your death is imminent. you won't live long enough to see the nwo's power play. and it will fail. oppression always fails. especially when you have a gun. or in my case dozens of guns. i stockpile guns to give out to true patriots of freedom in times of unrest.
Climate is measured over a 30 year time frame? Seriously?
Yes, because, from one year to the next, the temperature, among other things, can see quite a variance. Growing up in the NE, we could have one mild winter where there was barely enough snow for skiing, followed by a year of el nino, where we get numerous blizzard and I was in VT every other weekend. World weather patterns come and go from year to year, which can drastically affect the weather for a particular region, short-term. You have to "filter" out the normal variance to determine that the climate actually is.
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Sorry, eatfido, you're an idiot. And again, like your buddy LittleLiberalEva, you offer no solutions. You only want to bitch about it. At least you haven't called for non-stop worldwide Olympic Games.
I'll get to solutions when we have enough people who understand and admit that there is a problem.
I understand that the earth has been hotter at certain points. The short-sightedness of this position is that humans have not been on the planet that entire time. We are only in the "today" period of that graph. . .and notice the huge spike at the end of it. If you think that helping the climate of the earth return to a period of time before humans even existed is a good idea, well, that's pretty brave of you.
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In the 1970's world population was around 3.5 Billion and oil consumption was in the area of 5 Billion tons. Today world population has doubled and oil consumption has also dramatically increased and the average overall ambient temperature of the earth has only increased by 1.3 degrees hardly catastrophic. I really don't see the hysteria. I am more concerned about pollution than Climate Change/ Global Warming, whatever you want to call it.
Again, the problem is not with right now. As I already stated, the changes are slow. If you are older, and this is probably the case for most people north of 30, it won't ever be a huge factor in your life. However, this is not about us, right now. It is about not leaving a whole host of potential huge problems for future generations.
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Climate is changing all the time. Always has and always will.
Understood. Water falls out of the sky all the time. Always has and always will. That doesn't mean it's raining when I'm obviously pouring a bucket of water on your head from the roof.
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than the very little that man as a whole can do to the climate....Hell one good volcano can fuck things up for years.
The main threat from a volcano, existentially - wait for it - is that it releases a lot of CO2 and other greenhouse gases. If a volcano can screw things up, we can certainly compete with the amount of CO2 released by a single, huge volcano. If you are concerned about a volcano because it can change the climate, when the humans are actually doing that through the same mechanism, it makes no sense to say that humans can't change the climate much nor that you aren't concerned about our release of CO2 into the atmosphere.
So, Fido is going to offer his solutions to climate change. I can't wait!
Future Generations are going to get 17 Trillion in debt. Something that is truly man made and something we can and should do something about. Instead lets worry about theoretical bullshit. That's how Liberals think, lol.
Future Generations are going to get 17 Trillion in debt. Something that is truly man made and something we can and should do something about. Instead lets worry about theoretical bullshit. That's how Liberals think, lol.
Jim
It's more than that already! Talk about the lights going out.
Future Generations are going to get 17 Trillion in debt. Something that is truly man made and something we can and should do something about. Instead lets worry about theoretical bullshit. That's how Liberals think, lol.
This is great for a few reasons.
First and foremost, money is nothing but theoretical. It is something completely made up by humans. Debt is absolutely not more real than our climate.
Second, whether or not our debt is a threat to us is "theoretical" as well. There is far from a consensus among economists whether or not the US debt is actually a threat. In fact, I am willing to bet the consensus that climate change is a real threat is far greater among experts in that field than the debt is a threat among experts in the field of economics.
So you are pointing to the actually-contentious-among-experts theoretical threat of something completely imaginary over the overwhelmingly-agreed-upon-by-experts "theoretical" threat of something very, very real.
First and foremost, money is nothing but theoretical. It is something completely made up by humans. Debt is absolutely not more real than our climate.
Second, whether or not our debt is a threat to us is "theoretical" as well. There is far from a consensus among economists whether or not the US debt is actually a threat. In fact, I am willing to bet the consensus that climate change is a real threat is far greater among experts in that field than the debt is a threat among experts in the field of economics.
So you are pointing to the actually-contentious-among-experts theoretical threat of something completely imaginary over the overwhelmingly-agreed-upon-by-experts "theoretical" threat of something very, very real.
That's how Mr Mojo thinks, lol.
This is how you think too. When you come up with a solution to climate change, give China a call, they might be interested. And, while you're at it, tell them our debt to them is theoretical. See how well you're received.
