Time For GOP to stop criticizing Obamacare

[JD Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by flghtr65

So when Mitt sold Mass Romneycare, which has the same individual mandate, it was not a BS plan. So Romneycare is OK for the state of Mass(which gets a check from federal government to administer their plan). Obamacare is not ok for any other state? They are the same thing. The repubtards have no plan for any other state, just let the uninsured stay uninsured. The plumber who works for himself and by himself and makes $80,000 per year but has a pre-existing condition like high blood sugar can't get health insurance from any company under the old system. What is the republican plan for him, other than staying uninsured?

1. What Romney did in MA is in MA and not the USA. Romney also not the GOP. He was a candidate and not the party. But you knew that.

2. Glad to see someone acknowledged what I've been saying, that MA was recieving a check from the federal government to make Romneycare work in one state. Who writes a check for the USA....right, the fed. Still, one more reason to know that Obamacare won't work.

3. After acknowledging the obvious you then make a stupid statement that the GOP had no plans. They had several ideas which were all rejected by the democrats and Obama. You'd think they would listen if they really wanted to make healthcare better. That is if you really think that.

4. If a state, not the US government, wants this program then let them put it together. They can't do any worse that Obama has.

5. Telling lies doesn't win arguments. I have high blood sugar and I got life and health insurance. Why can't your fictional friend?

[cowboyinjungle]

No JD, McCain's excuse is the stupidity of picking Palin. He would have done better with just about anyone else. And yes I know you and some others get hard just at the mere mention of her name, but she was a big part of the reason he lost. Personally I think McCain should have been president, he should have got the nomination instead of Bush lite.

[JD Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by cowboyinjungle

No JD, McCain's excuse is the stupidity of picking Palin. He would have done better with just about anyone else. And yes I know you and some others get hard just at the mere mention of her name, but she was a big part of the reason he lost. Personally I think McCain should have been president, he should have got the nomination instead of Bush lite.

Events have proven the opposite of your claims. Palin can raise a crowd and money very quickly. McCain is despised by many in his own party. McCain did his best in 2008 AFTER he brought Sarah Palin on board. His downfall was HIS idea to stop his campaign, to accept matching funds (after Obama lied about it), and to censor his words (wouldn't do to call him Hussein or mention the black panthers, socialists, radicals that cling to Obama. The lost belonged to McCain.

[mikeylikesit69]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Events have proven the opposite of your claims. Palin can raise a crowd and money very quickly. McCain is despised by many in his own party. McCain did his best in 2008 AFTER he brought Sarah Palin on board. His downfall was HIS idea to stop his campaign, to accept matching funds (after Obama lied about it), and to censor his words (wouldn't do to call him Hussein or mention the black panthers, socialists, radicals that cling to Obama. The lost belonged to McCain.

You can't actually believe she could have helped him or anyone else. She is a moron! I know she gives you righties a boner, but there is no way anyone wins with her. McCain picking her was a gamble and it failed because that socialist Katie Couric actually asked her some questions instead of the softballs she was getting thrown from Fox.

[flghtr65]

Originally Posted by mikeylikesit69

You can't actually believe she could have helped him or anyone else. She is a moron! I know she gives you righties a boner, but there is no way anyone wins with her. McCain picking her was a gamble and it failed because that socialist Katie Couric actually asked her some questions instead of the softballs she was getting thrown from Fox.

+1000

[Yssup Rider]

Never heard so called Americans root so hard for America to fail.

You can call them traitors. we call them Republicans.

[IIFFOFRDB]

Jesus Stabber, you can't even back your homeland so STFU....

[Yssup Rider]

That's horseshit, you drooling mental midget. I have always backed my homeland. Served, too. Did you?

Your crude attempts at anti Semitic remarks simply amplify your ignorance and stupidity. No wonder your kid ran away from home and joined the circus.

You're a disgrace to his clown suit.

[flghtr65]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

1. What Romney did in MA is in MA and not the USA. Romney also not the GOP. He was a candidate and not the party. But you knew that.

2. Glad to see someone acknowledged what I've been saying, that MA was recieving a check from the federal government to make Romneycare work in one state. Who writes a check for the USA....right, the fed. Still, one more reason to know that Obamacare won't work.

3. After acknowledging the obvious you then make a stupid statement that the GOP had no plans. They had several ideas which were all rejected by the democrats and Obama. You'd think they would listen if they really wanted to make healthcare better. That is if you really think that.

4. If a state, not the US government, wants this program then let them put it together. They can't do any worse that Obama has.

5. Telling lies doesn't win arguments. I have high blood sugar and I got life and health insurance. Why can't your fictional friend?

1.Stop splitting hairs JD. Mitt represents the GOP.
2. Rick Santorum brought that up in the second republican debate that the Federal Government sends Mass a check to administer RomneyCare, that is why taxes did not go up in Mass when RomneyCare was implemented.
3. What were those ideas that the republicans brought up? There were republicans on the committee chaired by Senator Baucus. Republican New Gringrich said on the first week of his CNN Crossfire show that Republicans had no Alternative plan to the ACA.
4. The states don't want to spend the money. That is why the states leave things as they are.
5. Here is link on pre-existing conditions that explains why Health Insurance companies would deny coverage to people who had them in the old system. Study Up.

http://healthinsurance.about.com/od/...s_overview.htm

[JD Barleycorn]

I know you don't want to hear this (your hatred for republicans is all encompassing) but don't you think it would have been smarter to focus on the 15% who did not have healthcare (half voluntarily) and leave the other 85% alone? That just makes too much sense. That being the case, why would someone want to deprive those 85% of the choice of their own healthcare insurance. I would really like an answer to that.

[BJerk]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

I know you don't want to hear this (your hatred for republicans is all encompassing) but don't you think it would have been smarter to focus on the 15% who did not have healthcare (half voluntarily) and leave the other 85% alone? That just makes too much sense. That being the case, why would someone want to deprive those 85% of the choice of their own healthcare insurance. I would really like an answer to that.

Look, JD, you know you can't trust the insurance companies to treat their customers right and provide good policies. They will ripoff the consumer anyway they can get away with it. They need to be regulated to protect the consumer. Many of the 85% had bad apple policies, Obamacare is fixing that. If left alone, insurance companies would monopolize markets, squeeze out the competition, raise prices and lower services every year. You know, I know it, and they know it.

[RedLeg505]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Never heard so called Americans root so hard for America to fail.

I remember when so called Americans rooted so hard for America to fail..it was during the BUSH years, when all the Liberals were rooting for failure left and right. Heck, Dem senators went out and claimed the surge was a failure before it started.

Funny how so many liberal Dems forget that part.

[JD Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by Bert Jones

Look, JD, you know you can't trust the insurance companies to treat their customers right and provide good policies. They will ripoff the consumer anyway they can get away with it. They need to be regulated to protect the consumer. Many of the 85% had bad apple policies, Obamacare is fixing that. If left alone, insurance companies would monopolize markets, squeeze out the competition, raise prices and lower services every year. You know, I know it, and they know it.

My policy was good and it saved me a fortune when I had appendicitis. Now the deductible has doubled and I have to carry (at an additional charge) riders for Ob-gyn and dental care for children which I don't have.

[flghtr65]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

I know you don't want to hear this (your hatred for republicans is all encompassing) but don't you think it would have been smarter to focus on the 15% who did not have healthcare (half voluntarily) and leave the other 85% alone? That just makes too much sense. That being the case, why would someone want to deprive those 85% of the choice of their own healthcare insurance. I would really like an answer to that.

Here is your answer JD. President Obama did not intend for the 85% to lose their policies. Did you see the interview he did with NBC before he met with all the state insurance commissioners(to get the cancelled old policies back)? They put a clause into the law to say that if you had a policy from 2010 that did not change, the insured could continue with that policy. The exchange website rolled out in 2013. The insurance companies chose to cancel the policies, stating that policies had changed. It was a technicality why the policies were cancelled. It was not because Obama wanted them to be cancelled. Obama has done two different things to remedy the cancellation issue. He had a meeting with all the state insurance commissioners, to see if the cancelled policies could be offered again. The state of New Jersey has agreed to do so. I don't know about other states. The second thing that was done is that if you can't get your old policy back, you can sign up for a limited type coverage policy that was designed for people 30 years old and under. It is unfortunate that the old policies were cancelled when they weren't suppose to be. This is not an issue to scrap the ACA law and start over.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by RedLeg505

I remember when so called Americans rooted so hard for America to fail..it was during the BUSH years, when all the Liberals were rooting for failure left and right. Heck, Dem senators went out and claimed the surge was a failure before it started.

Funny how so many liberal Dems forget that part.

that's bullshit.

People opposed the war based on the fraudulent reasons it was prosecuted by the corrupt and dishonest Bush-Cheney regime.

But NOBODY was rooting for America to lose that or any other war.

You're full of shit.