Romney VS Obama

[Smoke2nd]

Originally Posted by enderwiggin

My point is that getting bent out of shape about the Right v. Left, Conservative v. Progressive paradigm is what has this country so fucked in the first place. They're blinding us and distracting us by throwing out these easy to argue, battlelines-are-clear-as-day arguments. Gay Marriage. Public Health Care. Guantanamo. You're either with us or you're with them. They have us at each other's throats while they're picking our pockets.

The paradigm we need to be worried about and tackling is The People v. The State. We're so busy arguing the nuances, we're missing the implications. Gay Marriage for example. Whether you're for it or against it, you're missing the broader point -- we've granted the state the ability to sanction our marriages. Why? What for? What benefit is there? (Aside from a tax-break IF you file jointly, that is...) When did our relationships become a function of government?

Public Healthcare. Why? Are we sure we want to surrender the management of our healthcare to unskilled bureaucrats? Really? Government waste and incompetence are so widely recognized that they're taken for granted, but we're insisting that they take care of us as we get older? Does that bother you at all? The Republicans would have you believe that repealing Obamacare is the answer, reforming the current Medicare/Medicaid system is the way. Its more of the same. They have us arguing between suicide and death by cancer. Either way, they're killing us, but we get to be pissed off at each other while they do it? It's fucking stupid.

You can go down the line, but the story is the same. The Right and The Left have us so eager to fight each other that we're missing the fact that they're raping us.

We have a winner!


There is no real choice.
The banking cartels own both major parties.
The problem with our government is the Democrats and the Republicans.

The population has been sold the lie that democracy means freedom to create a manipulated perception of ‘freedom’ behind which a tyranny can operate unseen and so unchallenged.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by enderwiggin

When did our relationships become a function of government?

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

When our "relationships" established our government.

[enderwiggin]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

When our "relationships" established our government.

Wow, that's the kind of rhetorical bullshit I'd expect from a lib. You're better than that, LL.

[oilfieldscum]

Fuck em both. They are in it for themselves and not the rest of us.

[TransAm]

Ender, I agree completely with your broader point, and I'm glad you responded. I don't disagree with much of what you said there. Except MAYBE public healthcare. Because I don't share your fear about unskilled bureaucrats making healthcare decisions. If anything, I'd probably trust them more than the bean counters and lawyers (and yes, I AM a lawyer, but still) that make the coverage decisions now.

But that ONE issue aside, we're on the same page.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by enderwiggin

Wow, that's the kind of rhetorical bullshit I'd expect from a lib. You're better than that, LL.

Actually it is neither rhetorical or liberal .... it was necessary because it was brought about by the imposition of some individual's opinions on others in a disrespectful and aggressive manner that generally disregarded individuals' in our society.

It is as simple as government installing a red light to control "relationships" at the intersection and as complex as the civil rights legislation. When individuals like yourself summarily disrespect other's opinions and attempt to marginalize them by doing so, the collective body of the government "we" created and "we" nurture imposes a course correction on the person, like yourself, who takes it upon themselves to dictate to others what, when, how, and where they should speak.

If each member of the whole would respect each of the others there would be less government intervention, because there would be less need, and if each member of the whole would expend greater effort in minimizing their "need" to rely on the whole, then the "whole" would have less responsibility to take care of the needy.

[enderwiggin]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Actually it is neither rhetorical or liberal .... it was necessary because it was brought about by the imposition of some individual's opinions on others in a disrespectful and aggressive manner that generally disregarded individuals' in our society.

It is as simple as government installing a red light to control "relationships" at the intersection and as complex as the civil rights legislation. When individuals like yourself summarily disrespect other's opinions and attempt to marginalize them by doing so, the collective body of the government "we" created and "we" nurture imposes a course correction on the person, like yourself, who takes it upon themselves to dictate to others what, when, how, and where they should speak.

If each member of the whole would respect each of the others there would be less government intervention, because there would be less need, and if each member of the whole would expend greater effort in minimizing their "need" to rely on the whole, then the "whole" would have less responsibility to take care of the needy.

Huh? Where am I trying to dictate others' speech? Last words yours, hero. I'm done with you.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by enderwiggin

I'm done with you.

That's a good thing.