DOJ bocks Texas Voter ID law

[boardman]

Originally Posted by bigtex

Give me a friggin' break! This is a voter id law in Texas. It's not like Texas is a purple state, it is solid red! Obama has about as much of a chance of winning all of the Texas electoral votes as a.........

Well for lack of a better word........................ a Houston TURDfly!

Originally Posted by WTF

LOL....Yea like Texas will now go blue because of this ruling!

It's not a matter of Texas going blue because of it. It's just another Federal Government intrusion into the State and Local authority. Complete disregard for the 10th amendment. Just like The Department of Education, Federal Unemployment, National Healthcare, Abortion, Criminalization of Marijuana, Right to carry, same sex marriage. The list goes on and on.(You'll notice that I listed right and left issues)

The 10th amendment limits the scope of Federal Government to a very limited role such as national defense, Regulating interstate trade, Maintaining a monetary system all of which are broken in one form or another. Congress and the Prez need to worry about those things and stop worrying about government at the local level. We are smart enough to take care of ourselves, elect our own local governments and national representation in a way that is representative of our local population.

The SCOTUS should be turning away states rights issues at the door.


As far as the voter ID goes itself. I don't see why it is such a big deal if we as Texans want to require a legal ID in order to vote.

Look at it this way. What is stopping a bunch of Coon Asses coming over the border from LA and casting a second vote.

If a person is a citizen I don't think it is that hard to get a State issued ID. I don't think the cost is very high and it may even be free in some circumstances.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

That is a paradox that lefties cannot satisfactorily explain.

I'll take a shot. The reason we have 40% of the "Hispanic" voters with no photo ID is because they're illegal aliens that are registered to vote. You don't have to prove you're a citizen to vote; you only have to be willing to lie about it.

Democrats have used voter fraud to steal elections for decades. John Kennedy stole the presidential election in 1960 by rigging the vote in Chicago. In recent years, Al Franken stole the senator's race in Minnesota by rigging the recount against Norm Coleman.

I think the coming presidential election is going to be the most crooked in history. Obama and his minions are going to be aggressively registering illegals and felons. The dead will vote Democrat (they always do). The unions will be sending vans into the inner city to round up the winos and crackheads and they'll go into the nursing homes to get the Alzheimer's vote.

It's going to be a real circus.

[mastermind238]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

I'll take a shot. The reason we have 40% of the "Hispanic" voters with no photo ID is because they're illegal aliens that are registered to vote. You don't have to prove you're a citizen to vote; you only have to be willing to lie about it.

Democrats have used voter fraud to steal elections for decades. John Kennedy stole the presidential election in 1960 by rigging the vote in Chicago. In recent years, Al Franken stole the senator's race in Minnesota by rigging the recount against Norm Coleman.

I think the coming presidential election is going to be the most crooked in history. Obama and his minions are going to be aggressively registering illegals and felons. The dead will vote Democrat (they always do). The unions will be sending vans into the inner city to round up the winos and crackheads and they'll go into the nursing homes to get the Alzheimer's vote.

It's going to be a real circus.

Don't forget Christine Gregoire (Democrat) in Washington, where initial results, and at least the first recount, had her opponent winning the governorship. They stopped the recounts only after they finally managed to get one that showed her barely edging past her opponent.

And don't forget Bob Dornan (Republican) in California having his U.S. House seat stolen from him by illegal alien voters in California.

And who can forget LBJ's shenanigans with ballot boxes back in the 1930s - well-documented in John Fund's book:
http://www.amazon.com/Stealing-Elect...1735116&sr=8-1

Let's see now ... what political party did LBJ belong to???


And another excellent read by John Fund:
http://www.amazon.com/Administration...1735116&sr=8-2


Here's a DOJ insider's look at how the Justice Department under Obama/Holder is working overtime to prevent local entities from protecting the integrity of our elections (among other things):
http://www.amazon.com/Injustice-Expo...1735551&sr=1-1

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by mastermind238

Don't forget Christine Gregoire (Democrat) in Washington, where initial results, and at least the first recount, had her opponent winning the governorship. They stopped the recounts only after they finally managed to get one that showed her barely edging past her opponent.

And don't forget Bob Dornan (Republican) in California having his U.S. House seat stolen from him by illegal alien voters in California.

And who can forget LBJ's shenanigans with ballot boxes back in the 1930s - well-documented in John Fund's book:
http://www.amazon.com/Stealing-Elect...1735116&sr=8-1

Let's see now ... what political party did LBJ belong to???


And another excellent read by John Fund:
http://www.amazon.com/Administration...1735116&sr=8-2


Here's a DOJ insider's look at how the Justice Department under Obama/Holder is working overtime to prevent local entities from protecting the integrity of our elections (among other things):
http://www.amazon.com/Injustice-Expo...1735551&sr=1-1

I read someplace that Al Franken brought in the same lawyer that rigged the recount in the governor's race in Washington to oversee his rigging of the recount in Minnesota.

The trick is to have a Democrat secretary of state (at the state level). He's the one that decides which votes are included and which are thrown out in the recount. George Soros has a special fund for Democrats that want to run for secretary of state. The Democrats are becoming more and more systematic in their election fraud activities.

We are becoming a banana republic.

[Boltfan]

Originally Posted by Randy4Candy

These voter identification laws are about any election BUT the Presidential Election. COF, IBH and the rest of you shills for the right, put your thinking cap on and take your blinders off to the fact that your obsession about Obama makes you a perfect dupe for the Cock Broz, Karl Rove and the other ultra righty pimps.

The above quote about the "estimation" of the number of Latino voters who it was "concluded" by the state of texas "might" not be eligible voters is the only item presented by this glorious state. Texas never even bothered to present any such like "evidence" with regards to other minority communities such as blacks or asians. And nowhere did they, nor has any other state, present any actual instances of voter fraud.

There was a quote on "Justified" last night that really speaks to the source of real voter fraud. It centered around the sheriff's race. Boyd, the guy running against the incumbant and a few others were were discussing the impact of Boyd's interruption at the candidates' debate and Boyd allowd as to how they shouldn't get ahead of themselves bacause, "well, we all know that elections aren't over until the last vote in the cemeteries are counted." Texas and the other southern states might want to take a look at all the old, fat, white men and women who are the county election board secretaries. Just a thought.

Oh, and by the way, for those of you who might have seen that last night, who are the "company men" in most elections?

Excellent episode last night.

That being said...

Why is requiring identification to vote a bad thing?

[timpage]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Ridiculous. The Obama Administration depends on illegal votes. So who is surprised that the Administration overturned these laws, that the citizens wanted. Why bother to vote, or voice an opinion, the Administration will do whatever the hell it wants to in order to stay in power. Can't get an ID. What bullshit.

Your post is ridiculous. Support please for the statement that "The Obama administration depends on illegal votes." That is pure unvarnished bullshit and you know it.

Let's try to deal in reality here instead of the weird repuke fantasies that surround this topic. Yes, I am certain that every illegal alien is chomping at the bit to vote in US elections. Skulking around polling places, waiting to get in there to cast their vote and commit a fraud to influence an election!!! Really? Seriously? These people spend their time worrying about paying rent and where their next paycheck is coming from. Not planning voter fraud. The very idea of it is bizarre and irrational.

The voter fraud theory is irrational for a bunch of reasons. Number one, a single vote means nothing, we all know that. Number two, casting a single fraudulent vote will get you up to five years in prison and a $10,000 fine. Who is going to risk that? And for what? What's the motivation?

Finally, and most importantly: voter fraud is extremely rare. The number of documented instances of persons voting fraudulently where a photo ID would have prevented the fraud is statistically microscopic. You're more likely to be struck by lightning than to commit voter fraud.

The voter ID laws are intended to do one thing and one thing only: disenfranchise the estimated 10% of the population who are eligible to vote but who do not have a photo ID. The reason? Those folks are poor and they vote democrat. So, it is what it usually is: an underhanded dishonest fraudulent scheme by the repukes to try to win elections by preventing eligible voters (who are not going to vote republican) from voting.

Before you start quacking about support, go google it yourself. Try"study of 2004 Washington gubernatorial election" and find out that voter fraud happened there 0.0009% of the time. Same for Ohio in 2004: 0.00004% of the time.

It's a made-up issue designed to achieve an election advantage for the repukes. Period.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by timpage

Your post is ridiculous. Support please for the statement that "The Obama administration depends on illegal votes." That is pure unvarnished bullshit and you know it. http://articles.southbendtribune.com...primary-ballot.

Let's try to deal in reality here instead of the weird repuke fantasies that surround this topic. Yes, I am certain that every illegal alien is chomping at the bit to vote in US elections. Skulking around polling places, waiting to get in there to cast their vote and commit a fraud to influence an election!!! Really? Seriously? These people spend their time worrying about paying rent and where their next paycheck is coming from. Which makes them susceptible to bribery and coercion. Not planning voter fraud. The very idea of it is bizarre and irrational.

The voter fraud theory is irrational for a bunch of reasons. Number one, a single vote means nothing, we all know that. Number two, casting a single fraudulent vote will get you up to five years in prison and a $10,000 fine. Who is going to risk that? And for what? What's the motivation?

Finally, and most importantly: voter fraud is extremely rare. Not rare enough. The number of documented instances of persons voting fraudulently where a photo ID would have prevented the fraud is statistically microscopic. You're more likely to be struck by lightning than to commit voter fraud.

The voter ID laws are intended to do one thing and one thing only: disenfranchise the estimated 10% of the population who are eligible to vote but who do not have a photo ID.The reason? Those folks are poor and they vote democrat. So, it is what it usually is: an underhanded dishonest fraudulent scheme by the repukes to try to win elections by preventing eligible voters (who are not going to vote republican) from voting. False. It's aimed at neutralizing an fraudulent and illegal advantage wielded by the Dimocraps.

Before you start quacking about support, go google it yourself. Try"study of 2004 Washington gubernatorial election" and find out that voter fraud happened there 0.0009% of the time. Same for Ohio in 2004: 0.00004% of the time.

It's a made-up issue designed to achieve an election advantage for the repukes. Period.

Your argument is completely bogus. How is it that those of you on the left can always argue that requiring that all voters have an ID is too burdensome and expensive for the “average citizen”; yet, without a pause for breath you can insist that everyone “buy” health insurance – which also has its own ID requirements. How do you imagine the government will track who and who does not abide by the regulations of Obamacare? How do you imagine the government will track who pay for as opposed to those who will receive free care. Little Timmy, you've offered nothing but mendacious duplicity in the face of the contrariness of other Dimocrap positions!



What follows are examples of government identity documents. The U.S. Federal government issues the following types of identity documents:

• Certificate of U.S. Citizenship
• Certificate of Naturalization
• Immigration and travel-related documents issued by the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services to non-U.S. citizens.
• Passport
• The passport card is a new travel document available to U.S. citizens for land and sea travel to Canada, Mexico, and various Caribbean destinations.
• NEXUS card for travel between the United States and Canada.
• SENTRI card for travel between the United States and Mexico.
• The Transportation Worker Identification Credential, a new biometric security identification credential to be phased in by April 15, 2009, issued by the Transportation Security Administration.
• The Merchant Mariner's Document, issued by the U.S. Coast Guard.
• Cards that prove participation in the Medicaid and Medicare programs.

Other documents that are evidence of an individual's identity:

• State/territory driver's license (see above)
• ID card issued by federal, state, or local government agencies or entities, provided it contains a photograph or information such as name, date of birth, gender, height, eye color and address
• School ID card with photograph
• Voter's registration card
• Native American tribal document

Other examples of documents involving personal identity include:

· Credit cards and debit cards
· Internal identification card issued by one's employer, university or school
· Proof of professional certification (for members of regulated professions)
· Proof of automobile insurance card (when driving)
· Health insurance card issued by a private health insurance company, by Medicare, or by a state public health insurance agency
· Library cards
· Membership cards issued by private clubs (social, athletic, educational, alumni, etc.)
· Membership cards (called loyalty cards) issued by private companies (supermarkets, warehouse club stores, etc.)
· Membership cards issued by professional organizations
· Membership cards issued by private associations
· Access documents issued by private or governmental organizations, such as a press pass, or a stage pass
· License documents issued by government organizations authorizing privileges other than driving, such as an amateur radio license or concealed firearm permit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identit..._United_States

[CuteOldGuy]

Can't afford a photo ID, but must buy health insurance. Good point, IB. However, I do think that basic photo ID should be made available for free. Citizens shouldn't have to fork out cash to be able to vote. But voter ID should be mandatory, and there doesn't need to be evidence of voter fraud. It is just common sense, something the Libs disdain.

[Little Stevie]

Originally Posted by timpage

Your post is ridiculous. Support please for the statement that "The Obama administration depends on illegal votes." That is pure unvarnished bullshit and you know it.

Let's try to deal in reality here instead of the weird repuke fantasies that surround this topic.

The voter fraud theory is irrational for a bunch of reasons. Number one, a single vote means nothing, we all know that. Number two, casting a single fraudulent vote will get you up to five years in prison and a $10,000 fine. Who is going to risk that? And for what? What's the motivation?

You're more likely to be struck by lightning than to commit voter fraud.

The voter ID laws are intended to do one thing and one thing only: disenfranchise the estimated 10% of the population who are eligible to vote but who do not have a photo ID. The reason? Those folks are poor and they vote democrat.

Before you start quacking about support, go google it yourself. Try"study of 2004 Washington gubernatorial election" and find out that voter fraud happened there 0.0009% of the time. Same for Ohio in 2004: 0.00004% of the time.

It's a made-up issue designed to achieve an election advantage for the repukes. Period.

I quoted only a portion of your excellent response to the cranially-challenged righties.

Also, in the Texas law were other anomalies that made Teapublicans likely winners of the disenfranchisement battle. It said "Yes" for CHL permit holders and "No" for Student Photo ID's! The Rot ta Bare Arms crowd would surely be overwhelmingly Teapublican and the Students would probably lean left. Bingo, Timpage.

I also noticed that not one of the Teapublican partisans mentioned Kathleen Harris in Florida, The Brooks Brothers Riot there, or the any of the Hanging Chads making the recount pass the deadline and dumping the decision into the already-decided lap of the Supremes.

As far as trying to make boogiemen out of illegal aliens or Hispanic citizens, it is hard enough to get an illegal alien to come to the door of a two-room duplex where 10 of them live when a census worker knocks, let alone to have them actively try to commit voter fraud. Simple deportation WITHOUT the criminal penalties can cost them $4K-$6K to find a way back into the U.S. to work their menial jobs.

Yes, you Teapublicans are real critical thinkers alright!

You BOUGHT the pig slop they were selling to cover for disenfranchising the poor, the elderly, the minorities and other LEGALLY-QUALIFIED voters they want to bar from the polls!

LMMFAO!

[mastermind238]

Originally Posted by timpage

Your post is ridiculous. Support please for the statement that "The Obama administration depends on illegal votes." That is pure unvarnished bullshit and you know it.

Let's try to deal in reality here instead of the weird repuke fantasies that surround this topic. Yes, I am certain that every illegal alien is chomping at the bit to vote in US elections. Skulking around polling places, waiting to get in there to cast their vote and commit a fraud to influence an election!!! Really? Seriously? These people spend their time worrying about paying rent and where their next paycheck is coming from. Not planning voter fraud. The very idea of it is bizarre and irrational.

The voter fraud theory is irrational for a bunch of reasons. Number one, a single vote means nothing, we all know that. Number two, casting a single fraudulent vote will get you up to five years in prison and a $10,000 fine. Who is going to risk that? And for what? What's the motivation?

Finally, and most importantly: voter fraud is extremely rare. The number of documented instances of persons voting fraudulently where a photo ID would have prevented the fraud is statistically microscopic. You're more likely to be struck by lightning than to commit voter fraud.

The voter ID laws are intended to do one thing and one thing only: disenfranchise the estimated 10% of the population who are eligible to vote but who do not have a photo ID. The reason? Those folks are poor and they vote democrat. So, it is what it usually is: an underhanded dishonest fraudulent scheme by the repukes to try to win elections by preventing eligible voters (who are not going to vote republican) from voting.

Before you start quacking about support, go google it yourself. Try"study of 2004 Washington gubernatorial election" and find out that voter fraud happened there 0.0009% of the time. Same for Ohio in 2004: 0.00004% of the time.

It's a made-up issue designed to achieve an election advantage for the repukes. Period.

It might take you a while to educate yourself on this issue. I can wait. In a previous post I detailed my own experience with voter fraud. I also provided numerous links to books that provide abundant details on how elections are stolen - almost exclusively by Democrats. And a link to a video showing how easy it is to cast a fraudulent vote. You can read them if you like, or you can continue to deny that there's a problem. I'm a firm believer in the old saying "there is none so blind as one who will not see."

There's no doubt that Obama will LOSE Texas by a whopping margin in November. So our voter ID law cannot possibly be about trying to suppress Democrat votes to "ensure" an Obama defeat. Even without the ID law, Obama loses Texas. So you have NO RATIONAL BASIS for the claim that our motivation is disenfranchisement. What is wrong with honest men and women demanding that our elections be conducted in an honest and lawful manner? Whatever the outcome of any individual race, I (and all supporters of the voter ID law) want more than anything to know that the process was fair. We have to believe in the integrity of our elections.

[Little Stevie]

Originally Posted by mastermind238

There's no doubt that Obama will LOSE Texas by a whopping margin in November. So our voter ID law cannot possibly be about trying to suppress Democrat votes to "ensure" an Obama defeat.

LMAO! It's about having a Teapublican Dictatorship in every state they can find dumb people like right here in Texas.

You cry about dems and elect a Texas State Senator who voted twice himself:

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-politics/2010-legislative-races/texas-senators-voting-residency-questioned/

As far as the "integrity of the elections", there have been 86 convictions nationally. Some things were as benign as not knowing that you have to finish probation to have voting rights restored (and that varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction). Others were simply confused about eligibility.

86 convictions? Yeah, it's a huge problem, LMAO!

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/wa...pagewanted=all

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

I do think that basic photo ID should be made available for free. Citizens shouldn't have to fork out cash to be able to vote. But voter ID should be mandatory, and there doesn't need to be evidence of voter fraud. It is just common sense, something the Libs disdain.

+1 Providing IDs is less expensive in the long run than supporting the cronyism associated with voter fraud.

[CJ7]

lets get this straight ...

constant whining about voter fraud

and constant whining about buying a card that stops voter fraud


sound correct?

[Little Stevie]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Ridiculous. The Obama Administration depends on illegal votes.

What an unintelligent thing to say.

Is horseshit the substitute for neurons in your brain?

He won by almost 10,000,000 votes, dumbass! (9.5 million plus to be exact)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._p...election,_2008

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Little Stevie

What an unintelligent thing to say.

Is horseshit the substitute for neurons in your brain?

He won by almost 10,000,000 votes, dumbass! (9.5 million plus to be exact)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._p...election,_2008

The full extent of the fakery, which appears to be limited to the state's 2nd Congressional District and specifically St. Joseph County, is not yet known. The situation, however, calls into question whether either Clinton or Obama, both of whom were U.S. senators at the time, should have been on the Indiana primary ballot.
http://articles.southbendtribune.com. ..primary-ballot