Money well spent?

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Also, your number 3-4 million number is also a but suspect

What's a reasonable rate of immigration between GM's and what you just proposed?

I've repeatedly invited you to give us your best estimates of the actual immigration numbers (gross, net, legal, illegal, encounters, getaways, etc.) but you won't. You recently claimed the total # of undocumented aliens in the country is only 12 million. No link, no source.

What the fuck. 12 million is the number every source I've seen tells me have come in under Biden alone, i.e. in just the past 4 years. I'm willing to bet your definition of "undocumented" is skewed to exclude millions of migrants entering the US under asylum, parole, TPS or other categories Biden has deliberately abused and tried to conceal from everyone. You're now counting them as "legal" and documented.

Right now we naturalize around 800,000 new citizens a year. At the same time, we're letting in 3x that number illegally. I might be ok with doubling or even tripling the number of new citizens we swear in each year - but ONLY IF AND WHEN we secure the borders and knock down the illegal inflows to close to zero. Illegals include all of the afore-mentioned categories you want to exclude - asylum, parole, TPS, etc.

[HDGristle]

You haven't in this thread. Meanwhile, I have told you where to look before. Strongly suggest you do. Go dig into it.

As for undocumented, that's an interesting piece of gaslighting. Undocumented are those who are present without valid immigration documentation. You then reference legal means of obtaining valid immigration documentation as temporary non-immigrants as something you seemingly feel shouldn't be excluded without realizing there are nuances there as well.

You then seem to make a case for the annual number of illegals permitted to enter being 2.4 million while focusing on naturalization and completely skipping over permanent residents.

That's a very disjointed and slapdash approach. Kudos for trying. You have to tackle this before you can really quantify the costs with any semblance of legit confidence.

[HDGristle]

Some additional clarification for those who don't follow the details.

When Lusty references things like TPS, there's a process tied to this with applications, biometrics appointments, formal reviews by USCIS, as well as an appeals process for certain denied claims. The issuance of an EAD isn't automatic, either. And this status, which is a temporary legal status, can be violated and rendered void. That requires an official process to determine.

A legal TPS beneficiary that is eligible to work and holds an EAD is also eligible for a Social Security card, even if they are ineligible for the benefits. Their dependents who are also on TPS will qualify for an SSN or ITIN based on their individual facts and circumstances. Same caveats on benefits.

The work authorization is temporary. The EAD requires renewal. The status can be extended based on our laws, rules and regulations provided the government does so. And it was for some foreign nationals just recently for an additional 18 months.

If one feels TPS shouldn't exist, those are one's feelings.

But if one wants to refer to a person on TPS as undocumented or illegal, they'll need to back that up with something other then being on TPS, or they may prove to be both wrong and ignorant

TPS doesn't have a path to permanent residency or citizenship. Another vehicle is required for that.

And in many cases, their tax dollars are also in the mix. Helping to pay for infrastructure, government programs and social services for you and your families, too. That needs to be factored into the discussion about how much money there is, how that money is spent and how well its spent