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Originally Posted by friendly fred
Your points are completely valid but I was really tackling the issue from the culture angle as in the leftists and feminists undermine the family being a solid and time tested institution in spite of all its flaws and flawed people in them, and without families our society is shaky.
Feminism has undermined the family because many women have abandoned their traditional roles and men have not taken them up very enthusiastically but many of the things stay home mothers performed were essential and bedrock elements of keeping a society meaningful.
Leftists attack every element of traditional families and society and frankly, I see no point in getting married these days anyway - what's in it for a man? Our country is also so fucked up now anyway who would want to fight and die for it and protect it?
A woman and a man getting together and staying together should benefit them both more or less equitably and if your wife isn't going to take care of shit around the house and keep the family together then why get tied up with all the reciprocal obligations?
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Many because they had the crap beaten out of them on a daily bases and were controlled 24/7.
Who the hell in their right mind would want to live like that.
Allowing women to be beaten and controlled in order to keep a society meaningful, is no society at all.
No matter what it "does" to society, men and women must be seen as equals with equal choices. What needs to change IMHO is men who don't want to be fathers but want free wheeling sex with no responsibilities is the biggest problem in our society. If men were willing to be better partners and of course women too, we would have a better society without arbitrary roles being enforced.
If "society" had one simple rule, it would be, don't have children you can't or are un-willing to support and that goes for both men and women. To many people are like cats and dogs who think they can produce offspring and walk away.
This and other reasons is why I have never married and never had children. I'm to damn selfish, hence my handle.
Although I hate most government interference in our lives, I would not be opposed to sterilizing both men and women who continue to demonstrate that they can't act like civilized humans and not have children they can't support.
Having a dozen children with no means of support is beyond acceptable behavior and should be stopped by government intervention if necessary. It's a harsh opinion but that is what I believe and that goes for men to, absolutely.
And Yes, I had a vasectomy very early on when I realized I never wanted children.
