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thorough9 · 05-02-2011, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by fritz3552

blah, blah, blah. Distort the facts. Destroy or attack someone's credibility. Point the voter away from the real issues and play to their pettiness, selfishness, and hatreds. Stick to the pre-fabricated talking points, and conveniently ignore everything that you can't combat (facts and truth) and doesn't fit into your thought process and talk about Hyperboles, Hypotheticals, and One-Sided Exaggerations.

Amazing that this is a two-way street.

And yet, you continue to argue and post...

And i will continue to post, as much as i please. What's it to you?
Two sentences of your own material. The profundity of your statements are mindblowing! No Wait! I know you are but what am I? LOL. That's more your speed. Neener, Neener, Neee- Nerrrrr!

CuteOldGuy · 05-02-2011, 03:59 PM

At this point, placing blame is irrelevant. President Obama asked for the job of fixing things. I don't think he is doing the right things to fix the economy. Doesn't mean i hate him, I disagree. If it turns out I'm wrong, and his way gets things back to freedom and liberty, I will be the first to commend him. I just don't see it. So until I see otherwise, I will respectfully disagree with this administration, and probably won't vote for his re-election. Not a hater, I'm a disagree-er.

KCJoe · 05-02-2011, 04:24 PM

Back to the subject, tRump wasn't acting very presidential when he gave that speech. If he does indeed run, it will be used against him by everyone. On another tRump subject, he was upset that he was the butt of jokes at the WH correspondents dinner. He's starting to sound a lot like spalin. Always the victim, and always treated unfairly by the press. Imagine what his opponents would say about him, republican (or democratic if he get's the nom). I don't think his skin is thick enough to be a serious candidate.

Longermonger · 05-03-2011, 12:03 AM

Yeah, post the link to that vid. Trump was MAD. He just sat there and scowled.

The next day Trump went after comedian Seth Meyers, not on the substance, but on his delivery. Nice try Donald! We're on to you. You can fool the fools but that shit doesn't work on us.

Meanwhile, Obama was being a "duck". He was smiling and laughing...calm and cool on the surface but paddling like hell behind the scenes.

Longermonger · 05-03-2011, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

At this point, placing blame is irrelevant. President Obama asked for the job of fixing things. I don't think he is doing the right things to fix the economy. Doesn't mean i hate him, I disagree. If it turns out I'm wrong, and his way gets things back to freedom and liberty, I will be the first to commend him. I just don't see it. So until I see otherwise, I will respectfully disagree with this administration, and probably won't vote for his re-election. Not a hater, I'm a disagree-er.

You believe the economy is worse now than it was last year? Does the data support that? How about the year before that? Nope?

You're just mad that the cleanup of the mess created during the Bush years is too slow.

CuteOldGuy · 05-03-2011, 01:45 AM

Longer, I'm not sure you read my post, which is part of your charm. If he cleans up the Bush mess, I'll be happy. I don't think he is. I think he is making it worse. I hope I'm wrong. But I'm not.

But I reiterate, it helps no one to place blame. Yes, President Bush and the Republicans spent way too much, and added a reprehensible amount to the national debt. President Obama continues to add to the national debt at a greater rate than the Republicans. When that is coupled with the Fed increasing the money supply, the only result will be disaster. Maybe not this year, but soon.

The "Donald" at least talks a good game about reducing spending and raising revenue. But it's only talk.

Longermonger · 05-03-2011, 08:24 AM

Check the DJIA for the day Obama was sworn in and compare it to yesterday's DJIA. Does the much bigger number mean that the economy has gotten worse during Obama's term? No.

Simple as that.

I don't even know if you're aware that you're doing it, but you're changing the subject. You say ECONOMY, I answer ECONOMY. Then you say...b...b...but DEBT. Stop right there! You specifically were talking about fixing the economy. Don't make me quote you, lol!

The DEBT and the ECONOMY are related, but they are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

For instance, I could cut taxes in half for everyone in the US. That would boost the economy...and balloon the debt and destroy the nation. I could double taxes for everyone. That would put a big dent in the debt and grind the economy to a halt. What's needed is a Goldilocks approach that serves our long term and short term needs and spreads out the burden evenly. And before you knee jerk into shouting "Fair Tax!", realize that it is nearly as unfair as a Flat Tax.

thorough9 · 05-03-2011, 03:31 PM

I think that everyone agrees that reducing spending and applying money toward the debt (a.k.a. payin bills for poor folks) is the key to reducing debt, but no one can agree upon how to reduce the debt. I am of the opinion that 'Charity begins at home". Now, what's amazing to me is the fact that Conservatives, Fiscally and otherwise, and Republicans, the "Proud to be American" crowd would propose cutting domestic social programs rather than the billions or even trillions of dollars in foreign aid. I have conservative views when it comes to money and lives: American First. How many American lives should be lost to/for Iraqi/Afghan/ Any-damned-body except American Freedom: 0.0000. How many American Tax dollars should be sent overseas: 0.0000. Check the numbers. Apply foreign aid to the deficit, and watch the deficit go away.

http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...reign_aid.html

We should fix our own house before building houses for other people. But the problem here is that, some people, GOP, only want "certain" houses - I mean mansions - fixed. If you're only as strong as your weakest link, pull out the super-glue and get to fixin' shit. Better yet, rebuild the base, everyone not just the people who vote for you ala Boss Tweed and Mr. Pendergast, to be stronger than it was before. Trickle Down Economics doesn't work, so try Trickle Up. When people see that the government cares about their well-being, they support the government whole heartedly. Mercenaries fight for money while citizens fight for their countries out of a sense of duty and commonality. And for the people who support giving the rich welfare while doing all that you can to take it from the poor, the people who need it the most, think of the last time that you saw a Rockerfeller, a Buffet, a Gates, and yes, a Trump on a battlefield- i don't give a damn how many military academies that he attended. The Civil War, especially in the South, was called a "Rich Man's War, and a Poor Man's Fight". SO, if the poor men have to do the fighting, i'd suggest taking VERY good care of them - the ones that are currently soldiers and the mothers, fathers, sisters, and brothers of those who may be called upon in the future. Contrary to poplular belief, patriotism is not always an inbred, automatic response to simply being a "native born" citizen. Patriotism is cultivated from birth by the proper treatment of the citizenry. Were Iraqis under Saddam patriotic, I don't think so. But, being patriotic and poor, is pointless. I can't afford to "buy American" so i buy shit that's made in China. That helps no one except the Walton Family(Walmart) - oh, and China. Somehow greed, racism, and classism has clouded the eyes of the most patriotic of us. I'm a patriot. Help Americans First.

CuteOldGuy · 05-03-2011, 04:59 PM

Ok, Longer, You win! The national debt has no effect on the economy. And the DJIA is the best ever barometer of health and growth. LOL! Thanks for becoming entertaining again, I was tired of agreeing with you.

I'm writing my congressmen now to tell them to spend all they want and tax all they can. That will help our economy move forward even faster!