The Obama-Ryan Trillion Plus Spending Deal

[JD Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by dumars

Reck'n you forgot "deficits don't matter" huh?

Is this going to be the best that you can do? Quote someone who has nothing to do with the argument and we're all supposed to figure out the intent and connection? To conservatives, the debt has always mattered but some how you don't know that. Odd...

[WTF]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Is this going to be the best that you can do? Quote someone who has nothing to do with the argument and we're all supposed to figure out the intent and connection? To conservatives, the debt has always mattered but some how you don't know that. Odd...

funny how you don't care about the deficit when it comes to your pet projects like defense spending

[DSK]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

You keep spouting this shit, with no support. No rational economist supports runaway debt. And what about the efforts of China to replace the world's reserve currency with the yuan? The more money we print, the less attractive the dollar becomes worldwide.


You are a dangerous fool on this topic.

I'm not dangerous - I'm just a small businessman who owns a bakery, decrying on a SHMB my loss of freedom to hire and serve who I want.

Our true problem, obviously, is liberalism. It is the handmaiden of poor, unskilled immigration which kills us. We admittedly prop it up with government spending, but I don't want to pay more taxes - so let's print the shit.

I'm no fool, either. China can try and replace the dollar with the yuan, but American companies won't buy their cheap shit, so they are stuck.

As for the dollar being less attractive, everyone except the Swiss are printing like mad, and the Swiss get a more and more valuable currency and it hurts their competitiveness, so I'm sure they get mad but we get the shit for free, at least for now.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by DSK

Our true problem, obviously, is liberalism. It is the handmaiden of poor, unskilled immigration which kills us. We admittedly prop it up with government spending, but I don't want to pay more taxes - so let's print the shit.

If you are saying neoconservative are actually an off shoot of liberalism. ...i will agree with you. That is the ruin of this country. Meddling in others business. Whether that be a foreign country or private citizens. You should no more jave to bake a cake for a gay person than you should be able to outlaw the woman's right to abortion.

[DSK]

Originally Posted by WTF

If you are saying neoconservative are actually an off shoot of liberalism. ...i will agree with you. That is the ruin of this country. Meddling in others business. Whether that be a foreign country or private citizens. You should no more jave to bake a cake for a gay person than you should be able to outlaw the woman's right to abortion.

I can raise a beer to that...

[JD Barleycorn]

I guess WTF missed the ultimate part of conservativism (or classic liberalism as they called it 200 years ago); don't force or harm anyone in the pursuit of your happiness. Abortion harms someone, not baking a cake does not harm (can you believe that WTF is comparing pastry to infanticide?)

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by WTF

So are you saying that China is a bigger threat than ISIS. Yes. You better tell our right wing loonies...they are wanting to head back to war and really blow up the debt.

How can he be a dangerous fool on a topic from which he speaks the truth...what you have said is true too....are you a dangerous fool on this topic?

What do you mean no rational? Can you find one that says runaway printing of money is good? Do you know how much this new oil in the last years has raised the value of our assets? He is not expousing run away debt...he is actually saying we have the means to cover said debt. He's wrong. There is no way to cover our debt. If everyone's income was taxed at 100% for a year, we wouldn't be close.

ISIS will leave us alone if we stop meddling in the ME. Our debt is not going away. It makes us very weak, and subject to the will of our creditors. There are forces trying to move away from the dollar as the reserve currency. As we become weaker, and our leadership remains under the control of the corporations and banksters, our position becomes more precarious. Who benefits from an economic collapse? The 0.0001%, who will be there to take over major companies at bargain prices. We will then see serious police state fascism, and any lingering flame of freedom will be extinguished.


We need a sound currency, with real value, and a central bank responsible to the people, not the internationalists. Or, better yet, no central bank at all. The War on Terror and Climate Change are distractions. Manufactured to keep us occupied while we are being looted, scammed and controlled. The real enemy is in Washington DC. Not some foreign battlefield.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Abortion harms someone, not baking a cake does not harm (can you believe that WTF is comparing pastry to infanticide?)

Early term abortion is not infanticide. Yet you as a so called conservative think you have the right to restrict a woman's right to choose. That is not a true conservative position. Just like you think it ok to spend trillions to meddle in and police the world...all in the name of safety. Yet we give up our freedom under your so called conservatism.

You have no ideal what a real conservative is.

Nation building was a neo-liberal endeavor that neo-cons such as yourself have co-opted . Your abortion stance is a evangelical position that has no roots in true conservatism.

[nwarounder]

Okay, so it really wasn't that hard to predict. Lindsey Graham, of course fell right in line and Cruz and Paul voted conservatively.

Marco Rubio, torn between his secret love of his amnesty partner Obama, and the people who may vote for him for president, cowardly didn't vote. Of course when questioned on the stump he said it was meant as a no vote. That's the problem with this guy, he says a lot of the right things, but he has stopped doing the conservative things he said he would do. I really don't understand how so many do not see it in him, but my wolf radar goes to high alert every time he opens his mouth.

"Whitehouse Declares Total Victory over GOP in Budget Battle." How is it that the only people Obama can dominate in negotiations is the Republicans?
http://nation.foxnews.com/2015/12/16...-budget-battle

Paul Ryan - Tells Republicans Omnibus is a crap sandwich.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politi...get/index.html

[Yssup Rider]

Well it looks like we had a decent discussion in progress.

But then ...

Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

0zombies deserve $200 NIKES... the WTFers

I wonder what Gey Rey and Flabino have to offer to counter all this civility. We've already heard from JDrunk.

[DSK]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

ISIS will leave us alone if we stop meddling in the ME. Our debt is not going away. It makes us very weak, and subject to the will of our creditors. There are forces trying to move away from the dollar as the reserve currency. As we become weaker, and our leadership remains under the control of the corporations and banksters, our position becomes more precarious. Who benefits from an economic collapse? The 0.0001%, who will be there to take over major companies at bargain prices. We will then see serious police state fascism, and any lingering flame of freedom will be extinguished.


We need a sound currency, with real value, and a central bank responsible to the people, not the internationalists. Or, better yet, no central bank at all. The War on Terror and Climate Change are distractions. Manufactured to keep us occupied while we are being looted, scammed and controlled. The real enemy is in Washington DC. Not some foreign battlefield.

I agree we should stop with our wars in the Middle East.

But, how are we going to be at the will of our creditors? If they tell us to pay the fuck up, we print the US Dollars and give it to the stupid sons of bitches.

If I owe you money and you have a lien on my house, you get the house if I don't pay you in US dollars. If I could legally print them, I could give them to you and keep the house...get it?

Not having a central bank is an astronomically comical idea. Where will we get our free money from? While quite odious and controlled by fag loving liberals, we have to have a government, they aren't our enemy, as far as I can tell. They could try not to be anti-White, they could try not to police the world, but for the moment they are keeping me half ass free in a fucked up world, and as long as I'm well off financially and receiving my earned medical care and SS, they might as well stick around.

[DSK]

Originally Posted by WTF

Early term abortion is not infanticide. Yet you as a so called conservative think you have the right to restrict a woman's right to choose. That is not a true conservative position. Just like you think it ok to spend trillions to meddle in and police the world...all in the name of safety. Yet we give up our freedom under your so called conservatism.

You have no ideal what a real conservative is.

Nation building was a neo-liberal endeavor that neo-cons such as yourself have co-opted . Your abortion stance is a evangelical position that has no roots in true conservatism.

If it were just pure economics and some poor bitch wouldn't be on the dole for 18 years raising a future criminal, then I would support abortion. However, I can't get past the idea that the fetus is a living thing...so I don't want to condone murder - that's the real issue, not a woman's right to choose. Because, she doesn't get to choose to kill a living being that isn't about to kill her.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Well it looks like we had a decent discussion in progress.

But then ...



I wonder what Gey Rey and Flabino have to offer to counter all this civility. We've already heard from JDrunk.

And who the fuck are you? A referee? When are you going to add something? Anything? Ever? SNICK doesn't count. You can't, because you're stupid, lazy and dirty. A pig also.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by DSK

If it were just pure economics and some poor bitch wouldn't be on the dole for 18 years raising a future criminal, then I would support abortion. However, I can't get past the idea that the fetus is a living thing...so I don't want to condone murder - that's the real issue, not a woman's right to choose. Because, she doesn't get to choose to kill a living being that isn't about to kill her.

But we disagree...it is not murder. You have the choice not to abort. A woman should have the choice without you meddling in her choice to abort. Maybe not in the third trimester. And then you so called conservatives should be the one forced to pay for the kid you forcefully wanted. Put your money where your heart supposedly is. Same with war.

And from a sheer economic standpoint it is a no brainer. The day after pill should be doled out on the street corner.

Is the day after pill murder in your mind?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Abortion harms someone, not baking a cake does not harm (can you believe that WTF is comparing pastry to infanticide?)

Who does the day after pill harm?

Answer me that JD.

DSK brought up cakes and abortion btw.