Please run for President

[herfacechair]

lap dog: Your probably right I dont know a lot about DADT, but I am sure you do so that you could continue to fly under the gaydar. RED HERRING

You said this:

"Good news the military abolished Dont Ask Dont Tell," - dirty dog

Stupid is thinking that the military would abolish a federal law. I busted you, and told you that the federal government does that, and accurately pointed out that the Department of Defense is lifting it in phases. No shit, I'm in the military, I'm supposed to be aware of the rules that we're charged with enforcing.

Also, how would someone continue to fly under the "gaydar," if the ban is lifted? You've gotten to the point in this debate where you're not even thinking about what you're saying.

The law originally came about to protect people like you from people like me… looking to get rid of people like you, and your comebacks, from the ranks.

lap dog: I dont mistake you as another joke'insult,

That went over your head, didn't it? That doesn't surprise me. Let me break that down for you. I'm telling you that your jokes and comebacks are gay.

lap dog: you do that all yourself.

Actually, I'm doing a good job demonstrating that you, and others on your side of the argument, are not what you portray yourselves on these message boards. I'm unmasking you guys and exposing you people's lack of integrity.

lap dog: As for your name, hell Rock Hudson called himself rock and he was as gay as you are. A username does necessarily indicate someone you are or do. So you can call yourself herfacechair all you want, but everyone knows your throat is a cock holster. RED HERRING

First, I know what my cognitive processes are, you don't. My thought process, with my username, is based on my needs, wants, desires etc. I chose my username to reflect my fetish interests, which involves a woman sitting on my face. If you look at my reviews, you'd notice that I've done reviews of women that I've had GFE with. If you go to Mistress Destiny Femdom Forum's, you'd notice that I've made one post after another expressing interest in doing stuff with women.

A person, with a brain, would look at those facts and conclude that I'm into women. Here, we have a combination of my statements, and actions, which proves that I'm a heterosexual. Considering that you're a rock, you wouldn't see that, which leads to my next point…

Second, Rock Hudson calling himself "Rock" is gender neutral. It's also topic neutral. A person could call themselves a "rock" when it comes to standing up for what they believe. They could also call themselves "Rock" for being able to withstand the currents (which could mean anything… struggles, winds of bad change, etc.

Here's another example, from the Civil War… The Battle of Chickamauga. General Thomas held his ground against repeated assaults, which earned him the Nome de guerre, "The Rock of Chickamauga." Hence, an Army unit taking on the banner of the unit that was involved with this fight, could include "Rock steady" as part of salute exchanges.

See why your bringing "rock" up makes your comment a "red herring" comment? Heck, I could also call you a rock for being stupid. Starting to see a trend here? Rock has many uses.

Third, the fact that you'd zero in on a gay actor speaks volumes about what's really going on in your mind. Quit projecting your traits to me.

lap dog: Have you noticed something here Mr. Debator,

I've noticed a lot of things about the opposition, from debating them for almost 8 years. I've got you guys profiled, categorized and analyzed. You guys argue many of the same talking points, follow the same pattern throughout a debate, and think that you'll succeed where your predecessors have failed. But the result end up the same.

One guy gave it all up and ended up becoming a troll. He still didn't accomplish what you think you'll accomplish. So, I'm wondering, will you, thorough9, or anybody still debating with me here, end up as the next poster that I cause to become a troll?

lap dog:you seem to modify mystates to suite your needs when I have the balls to post all of your ramblings.

If you're going to reply to me, you're going to need to quit crying, to put your man britches on, man up, and take what's coming to you. Since the obvious isn't obvious to you, let me spell this out. I'm going to address as many points that you make as I can… and I do that by breaking your rantings down to sentences… and fractions of sentences.

Everything that you've said, in your posts, is addressed in my posts. I break your turd log into turd nuggets, and address them one by one.

lap dog: If you want my wife dude, take her, I am glad she found a real man like you. I think you may be the cockhold since it is my semen your sucking out of her when as you said she is shaking on your face. How do I taste, probably not as good as your "drill" sergent.

First, having sex with your wife was no problem, she took me real quick, as you fell short of what she expects in a man. Also, you don't know what a cockhold is, don't you? Even though you've been one since your wife took me. A cockhold is the guy the woman she doesn't have sex with… which is you… while she has sex with someone else… me.

The only thing that I tasted from her pussy, the day she sat on my face while shaking her hips back and forth, while accurately nailing your head with a jar of vasoline, was her pussy juices. I mean, the reason to why she threw the vasoline on your head was because you were half assing your milking yourself… so that she could order you to swallow your own semen. But, your fears were unfounded, as you seem to take a liking to it.

After you saw your wife clean my dick up with my lips, she spat in your mouth… your face lit up when her saliva, mixed with her pussy juices and my semen, landed in your mouth. You disappeared for a while… must have been you going to jail to get a taste of more semen.

lap dog: In case you haven't figured it out yet menstrual cramp,

OOOOH! The turd called me "menstrual crap!" LOL! As the DI would say, "Weeaaak!"

lap dog: you can say what you want about my wife, it doesnt get me all excited.

Your actions betray you. The response you gave, with regards to your wife, was the biggest when it came to volume, than most your other responses to me. You've weaved that frustration throughout your replies to me. I wouldn't be surprised if I'm striking a chord with you in this area.

lap dog: Do you want to come over and take her anally.

Nah, that's one of the activities that I don't do. She's happy with the other GFE related activities that we do though. Apparently, the only person that takes it there is you, when your wife wears a strap-on.

lap dog: Why do you believe that anyone is going to believe something just because you post a link and a quote. Hell that could have been written by your transsexual barricks buddy as far as I or anyone else here would know, it's not proof of anything, pinhead. RED HERRING

Are you willing to subject that opinion to a fact check? YES [ ] NO [ ]

You don't see how a comment like this continues to destroy your credibility?

You made an assumption, fueled by your bias against me, that I "wasn't" in the military. I countered your comment with a couple of links, to a website, where two people vouched for me. Instead of taking the logical, rational approach… like creating a collarme profile so that you could contact those people… you make another assumption, trying to dismiss the people that backed me as being someone other than who they actually are.

You have to understand that you don't speak for anybody else on this message board, or on the internet, but you… and other likeminded people on this message board.

Hate to burst your ego bubble, but those posters are real.

Also, by mentioning "barracks buddy," you're countering your assumptions that I'm "not" in the military. If you had a clue about how the military does things, you would've never assumed that there were transsexuals in the barracks.

lap dog: Again see post above.

Your post above is nothing but a red herring, designed to move the topic off course from one where you're forced to question your line of reasoning. I don't accept irrational thought as an effective debate response.

lap dog: Here is a little tip for you, just because you say it does not make it so. The seems to be the point several people have tried to make to your dense,

Again, I don't accept irrational thoughts, and points, as legitimate… so I reject them.

Sarcasms, jokes and insults aside (dirty dog the cockhold comments)… The point that you people consistently miss is that when I say something serious, like the fact that I've combat deployed, or why the Colonials did what they did, I'm saying that based on fact. I saw a series of facts, and I turned around and mentioned those facts.

This isn't a case of me saying that something is so, and expecting others to believe it. It's like me saying that the Earth goes around the Sun, or that Sunday comes before Monday. I'm simply making a statement of fact.

The reason to why you people hide behind the "it's just your opinion" or "just because you say it's so doesn't make it so," canards is because my statements, based on fact, proves your standings wrong.

lap dog: wannabe soldier, superhero ass. REPEAT POINT

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3193322/...tm.htm#3326822

"I am making an appearance to say that I have met HFC, he is human, and he is in the military. Infantry and all." - Aylee

Who's right here, you, who has never met me, or Aylee, who not only met me, but has seen documentation proving that what I said on that board, similar to what I said here, correct? I lived in the geo bachelor barracks when she came to the post and picked me up, then took me to her part of Kansas.

And get this, I could tell that you've never served in the military. If you have, and have seen my statements regarding my military service, you'd pick up the fact that I'm a veteran… like this Iraq War Veteran who jumped on my thread when others did the same thing that you're doing here:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3193322/...tm.htm#3320159

ORIGINAL: toxic66 (from collarchat.com; herfacechair thread, "Back from Iraq Ready to answer…."

To the rest of you who doubted whether he is really a Soldier serving in Iraq, I believe he is and I am a twice deployed veteran (if you doubt that just go look at my profile pics, two were taken in Iraq (one in full battle rattle)). I base my belief in that he talks like a Soldier and does know about things going on there. And, he nailed all of the flight times out Iraq back to the U. S. Plus, just knowing what Ali Al Salem is shows a lot (quick before you Google it how many of you know what it is?). He refers to his buddies as battles, and just everything he talked about and described seemed accurate. However, I can’t vouch for chemical weapons as I never ran into any (it doesn’t mean no one else did, just means I didn’t). To be a fake he would have had to talk to a Soldier extensively and asked a lot of questions about even mundane things. It just all sounded like someone who has been there.

Do you see how that works, lap dog? The part of using one's military experience to determine if someone else is really in the military or not, based on what they say? Apparently not, as you probably never served, and you'd rather demonstrate your ignorance just from the way you post.

lap dog: Really, wow did you take pictures stud, post em, really,

Yup, I took pictures of you while your wife rode me CG style. You looked so much like a loser. After examining your pictures though, both your wife and I decided that we didn’t to scare the general public.

lap dog: she did tell you about her herpe's. You might get checked out because the bumps on your face arnt pimples.

LOL! Her trick did work! She told me that she was going to use a bunch of makeup material, and apply it in a way that'd make you think that she had herpes. I was like, "Nah, that wouldn't work!" She replied, "Don't worry sweetie, that vegetable wouldn't be able to tell the difference!"

The things that she did to make sure that you didn't have sex with her!

Oh yah, those weren’t "bumps," just the same make up that ended up on my face after she sat on it.

lap dog: Naw I always make her brush before I kiss her, I sure hope you did, because we both know how she likes to toss the salad, by the way how did my pasta taste butt licker by proxy.

LOL, now your wife has you thinking that your blow up doll is an actual woman!

I remember you forcing that blowup doll's face in your ass as I was having sex with your wife. And the only time that I saw you clean that blow up dolls mouth was before you put your dick in it… not after, as that's where your mouth came in… after you forced it up your ass, then ejaculated into it.

I asked your wife if she'd ever done that to you, and her response was, "EEEWW! I won't even let his lips touch mine!"

lap dog: No, the government spent a lot of money to put me there,

That's right after you purposely broke indecency laws… by doing the above activities with your blowup doll… outside. You wanted to find a way to get into jail, and you found it. Your hope? To be the prison bitch.

lap dog: but you were already for those nights in the barricks though werent you semen sampler.

The only nights I was ready for was the nights I was going to be spending with your wife while you spent all those nights as the prison population's favorite prison bitch.

Also, which is it? Wannabee soldier or a guy that's in the barracks? You can't even agree with your own comments… do continue to chase your tail, lap dog.

lap dog: Actually a Lesbian is accurate

You see, this is what I mean by you being too stupid to know which gender gets the lesbian label. A lesbian is a woman that mainly prefers women when it comes to sexual activities and intimacy. Being a man that wants a pussy of his own doesn't make you a lesbian. Man… you're such a retard!

If you crawl to your wife, and lick her boot soles clean enough, she might break that down into retard terms for you.

lap dog: because pussy is my favorite meal.

According to your wife, you prefer cock.

lap dog: In fact I like it so much I want one of my own.

Your domina wife did a good job working your mind. Now she's got you thinking that you're a bitch… so much that you want a pussy of your own, so that you could take her strap-on action somewhere else other than up your ass.

lap dog: The fun thing in all this is you actually think your attempts to slam me are funny,

They are. A person observing me replying to you would see me smiling and laughing at what I was typing. I could also tell, by your reactions, that I'm consistently hitting you in the jugular with my slams.

Throw in the 80s music that's playing now, and I'm having a blast.

Let's face it, if my slamming didn't bother you, you'd ignore me. Instead, you reward me by coming back and demonstrating more of your weak slamming performances… thus giving me more laughing opportunities.

You're like the guy that tries to come up with a "come back" to an insult… who slows down mid-sentence… then ends up saying some gibberish while trying to think of what to say for a comeback… right when everybody else laughs at his failure.

lap dog: you werent real popular in school were you?

People liked me in school.

Judging by your attitude on this message board, I'd say you had a rough K-12 experience. You probably got picked on consistently.

lap dog: So your wanting me to help you by tell you what the male counterpart of a lesbian is

No, I was helping your one brained celled operation to help you categorize yourself correctly. This is what you said:

"Your right, I see myself as a Lesbian...." - dirty dog

Male homosexuals don't describe themselves as "lesbians." But, you're too stupid to know that. Perhaps if you crawl to your wife, lick the bottom of her shoes, she might be kind enough to break that down into retard terms so that you could understand what a lesbian is.

lap dog: so that you can more accurately describe yourself,

I've already accurately described myself on this message board. Since you have problems understanding basic written English, it's obvious that those facts flew right over your head. Perhaps if you toned your arrogance down, you'd be able to see the facts about me.

lap dog: well there are many names which would fit you.

Of course there are… Herfacechair, "He who pulverizes lap dog," the list goes on…

lap dog: Fag, queer, homo, throat bobber the list goes on and on.

Those are the names your wife calls you, she'll be happy that you're learning your place in her world.

lap dog: Are you sure about all of that,

Yes, and it has been verified by those that have debated with me in the past, as well as those that were my allies in these debates.

lap dog: seems to me its you the feels the need to keep telling everyone what a great debator you are. Why do you suppose that is.

And it seems to me that you're too stupid to see cause and effect relationships. For instance, I mentioned my debating abilities in response to your feeble attempts to slam them. Here, let me simplify this for you.

Let "X" be the Opposition's comment.

Let "Y" be my response.

Then… we have this:

If "X," then "Y."

If "X" is your spreading your arrogance about the nature of my debates,

Then "Y" is my logical, well-reasoned, response to your arrogant reply.

See the relationship? If not, if you crawl to your wife, lick the bottom of her shoes clean to her satisfaction, she might break that down into retard terms for you.

lap dog: Do you really think your impressing anyone or that anyone really cares or believes in a thing your saying.

I've lost count of how many times a liberal, that I was debating, would say this… as if he/she were the appointed spokesperson for the entire community…

Again, you don't speak for the entire community, you only speak for other likeminded posters, and yourself. Your arrogance wouldn't let you fathom the idea that you're getting pummeled in debate.

I highly doubt that most the people that debate you here would agree with any of your drivel.

lap dog: You crack me up.

Actually, it's the pressure, that you face when trying to debate with me, that's cracking you up. Your wife wasn't kidding when she told me that you crack under pressure.

lap dog: No slow is what your mental capabilities are.

And you don't realize how your giving me this reply, gave me the ammo I needed to hammer you more? God, this retard is really slow! Now watch me continue to trample you here, just as your wife tramples you at home…

lap dog: I will tell you how this is possible. Are you ready, their called employee's. When you have them you dont do the work they do. In charge of those employees are managers whom you make responsible for running things. Get it right, I own to remaining businesses and just recently sold two others.

First, what you said:

"I am at work and generally type in a hurry." - dirty dog

None of the business owners that I know of sits down and enters posts on message boards. They're constantly busy. If nothing is going on, they find something, anything, that has to do with the business, to keep them occupied. Many of them even find time to get involved with their employees, even getting involved with the training process.

But, they're constantly doing something that's constructive.

None of the business owners that I spoke to, as a freelance copywriter, bogged themselves down blogging on internet sites that have nothing to do with their business. They're constantly busy.

So, the fact that you're making post entries, on ECCIE, while you're at work, speaks volumes of something being wrong...

lap dog: Dont be a hater because your a worker bee.

WOW! Do you honest to God think that I'd take your job over the one that I'm doing now? Since you missed it, here it is again:

"Also, as a freelance writer, when I do 'work,' and when I slam you on this message board, is flexible. I work from my home computer; all I need is the internet so that I could communicate with my clients." - herfacechair

"I'm my own boss, I set my own schedule. - herfacechair

Why would I trade, what I'm doing now, for what you're doing now? F that, you could keep what you're doing, I wouldn't trade what I'm doing to do what you're doing now.

This isn't about "hating," this is about me exposing the stupidity in your argument.

lap dog: You might remember this as well there Sonny.

I never claimed, or acted, like I spoke for everybody, kid. You spoke as if you'd know what'd happen to me in a certain area, without knowing who I am, or what others, who've been in the same environment you've been in, have said.

lap dog: Well its good to know all that,

Had you said that to the facts that I presented earlier in the thread, you would've been showing integrity, and would've proven that you're not a liberal.

lap dog: wow thats freaking impressive.

That's what your wife's domina friends said when she showed you to them to prove that a man could live without a brain.

lap dog: Who are we to believe, someone that pops out of no where claiming to be the second coming of christ or people who may not even exist except inside your head. For example, 4 ladies said I was a great guy and they each gave me 100,000 dollars, that has about as much foundation in fact and creditbility as your comments. INDUCTIVE FALLACY + STRAWMAN ARGUMENT

I presented a logical argument. You pulled shit out of your ass about how I'd do in a certain environment. I referenced friends, both who've served and who didn't serve in the military, real people, who said something that countered what you said. I know for a fact that they're real.

Instead of coming to terms with the fact that you made a weak argument, about how I'd do in a certain environment, you started pulling the "second coming of Christ" argument, and summarily dismissed, a firsthand account of real people, as nothing but "existing only in the head."

That'll be like me saying, "Hey, lap dog doesn't really own those stores, he's just a loser laundry boy at the cheap motel, who claims to own stores instead of talking about his real profession!"

"But wait!" You might say, "I honest to God own and manage a store, that's not my imagination, or me making things up, I own a store!"

Maybe I could argue that you don't own those stores and completely ignore the fact that you have a firsthand account of what you do. But I don't, because I'm not like you.

But, you, lacking integrity, would rather set stress shields up to protect your one brain celled operation from all attacks of reason, rather than come to terms to the fact that you were wrong.

There's no logical, or common sense, comparison between what I said, and the example that you gave above.

Here's where the strawman argument aspect of your response comes in.

Let "X" be what I stated.
Let "Y" be what you just stated above, which is a distorted version of what I said.
You argue against the idea of "Y".
You conclude that "Y" is wrong, then further conclude that since "Y" is wrong, "X" is "wrong."

You're showing desperation in your latest replies to me. The fact that you'd continue playing futile games like this shows that you don't have any self-respect.

lap dog: Please, please post the entire quote where I said you were hammering me, RED HERRING

I'm interpreting your actions, based on your attitude in this thread, as well as your attitude toward the facts that I've presented. I've dismissed the explanations you've given to me in this thread, as I see what's really driving your actions.

You were enthusiastic about the idea of me being "dead." I mean, if I were "dead," I wouldn't be here constantly taking you apart… not just with this post, but with the argument. That's something that, deep down inside, you despise. You want me to "go away," but I won't. That bothers you. Worse, I'm here constantly taking your argument apart… when others would just give you single liners, or just disappear… it bothers you that I'll keep dismantling you instead of doing what others would do.

lap dog: give me a freaking break.

I don't give breaks to the opposition.

lap dog: No actually I call you a putz and rambo based on the crap you write,

This is what I'm talking about when I say that you're setting stress shields up to protect your one brain celled operation from all attacks of reason. You call me a "putz," because I refuse to stop destroying your arguments. You call me a "Rambo/soldier wannabee", for to accept the fact that I'm in the military, and the fact that I've combat deployed to Iraq, would mean accepting the fact that when it comes to the military aspect of our discussion of the Revolutionary War, I have the advantage.

Your arrogance doesn't want that.

To you, what I say is "crap," because it disagrees with the nonsense that you hold near and dear in this debate. You willfully disregard the facts, or opportunities to fact check your assumptions, because doing so would force you to accept that you're arguing from a weak position in this thread.

lap dog: as for being used to it,

No, you're not used to someone like me. A check of the other threads in this message board, where you're involved with a debate, shows that nobody else is lacerating you, almost point by point, like I am.

lap dog: you make me laugh dude,

You're just pulling shit out of your ass, you're not laughing at what I'm doing. Your posts show that I'm getting under your skin…

lap dog: you sure think a lot about yourself, STRAWMAN ARGUMENT

Again, jabs and sarcasm aside, if I'm mentioning something about me, whether that's my profession, or something that I've done, it's in response to someone's attempt to diminish who I am, or what I've done. For example, if you're going to fart the opinion that I'm a "wannabee," I'm going to link you to posts of people who know better. I'm even going to challenge you. That's not me "thinking a lot about myself," that's me countering libel attempts against me.

I do have the right to defend myself.

lap dog: dude your amusment for me.

The tone in your posts betray you, and you're saying that based on arrogance, and not from amusement. I've gotten under your skin, and it's showing with your replies.

If anybody is laughing here, it's me. I laugh at what you say, and at how hard you tap dance in response to a statement proving you wrong. Especially when you'd rather stand by a disproven opinion instead of accept the fact that you're wrong.

The harder you tap dance, the harder I laugh. You've been tap dancing harder lately.

lap dog: Actually I prefer to keep your posting so you will continue to look like a dork. So hammer away thor.

This is an example where you say one thing, but mean another. But you don't need to tell me to do something that I enjoy doing. Judging by comments, made about my debate persistence in the past, by those that disagreed with the opposition, I'm happy to tell you that your, "look like a dork," comment is just your childish reaction to my constantly destroying you in this thread.

lap dog: Just what are you exposing, be specific here.

Read every reply that I've given you on this thread.

lap dog: Well you keep on moving there slick expose me, however, know that I have posted the address of my business at this site as we all as Dennis's board and ASPD. If you would like scan in your drivers license with your name exposed and then I will be happy to scan in mine and my occupations license. But since they have my real info, I want you to put your info out there too.

First, time to counter you with your own words:

"you sure think a lot about yourself" - dirty dog

Second, until you accept my challenge to you, you don't have a leg to stand on when challenging me. I've challenged you to put your opinion, "that I'm a soldier wannabe," to the test. Again, here's my challenge:

Are you willing to put your opinion to the test? If so, I could ask the Virginia moderator if he'd be willing to review the following documents:

My ERB

My Iraq War related award citations

And see if he'd come over here to vouch for the fact that I've combat deployed to Iraq.

Or, you could create an account with collarchat, and talk to the two posters that vouched for me on my 69 page thread there. Take your pick.

If you're not willing to do one of the two, then can it with your, "post your shit here" challenge.

Third, when I said that I'm exposing you, I'm telling you that I'm unmasking you here. If anybody, that doesn't favor, or have any bias, against both sides of our argument, sees your continued performance in this debate, they're not going to see you in the same light as you think you're being seen.

For instance, your claims that I amuse you… yeah, nothing but rubbish…. you've acted like the others whose skin I've gotten under. I'm exposing you as an intellectually dishonest poster, with no integrity, as someone who'll willfully disregard the facts in order to hold a disproven opinion with a death grip.

[herfacechair]

lap dog:Well thanks for the information,

If you had any integrity in you, that's the only thing you'd say when I give information.

lap dog: I am glad you think your ramblings are effective.

Don't dismiss the facts, and a reasoned argument, as "ramblings," simply because you disagree with them. What I'm saying to you is having its desired effect… you're reacting the way I want you to react… Each post you generate shows you as deteriorating… your slams aren't the only things you're saying that's lame.

lap dog: I guess your a free lance writer because you cant get anyone to hire you and you cant write a book. Thats sort of like the guy in hollywood who is an actor acting like a waiter. INDUCTIVE FALLACY

You see, this is what I mean by you deteriorating in this fight.

You do realize that freelance writers get paid, do you? And you also realize that there's an entire universe when it comes to writing, do you? Unless, you think that the marketers, publishers, editors, etc, who've paid me for the writing that I've done for them are "imaginary."

I'm a freelance copywriter, aka a freelance commercial writer. I don't fight to get an article published in a magazine, but, chances are, if you've paid money to a nonprofit organization, there's a possibility that a freelance copywriter wrote the fund raising letter that moved you to donate… possibly me.

You talk about writing books… many ghost writers are freelance writers.

That's a far cry from people, who want to be actors and actresses, who go to Hollywood and end up doing something else. There's not even a remote comparison.

I haven't written a book yet, nor made the attempt. That's a different animal in the writing world.

Bottom line, your lack of knowledge of the freelance copywriting profession painfully shows. But, your track record in this thread shows that you don't really care if you know what you're talking about or not.

lap dog: The reality is your working the fry machine and "writing" in some blog on the net.

Do you see the contradiction here? You've made the following comments, in the same breath:

"you cant get anyone to hire you" - dirty dog

"The reality is your working the fry machine" - dirty dog

How could I be a someone working the fry machine if nobody wants to hire me?

Your wife called me… she wants me to tell you to stop taking credit for her work when it comes to running stores. She also wants you to go back to scrubbing the toilets.

[herfacechair]

lap dog: Why should I just accept it, fuck dude this is the internet, you might not even be a man, no one just accepts something just because you say it.

If you expect anybody to believe any of the crap you say, based on what you think is right, then you need to have the integrity to accept real facts that counter your opinions. This woman is real, as real as the stores you say you own. If you don't believe me, as to who she is, you could always create a collarme account, and find out yourself. She and I are two different people.

You see, my bringing her up is a way for me to prove my statement about who I am. Her statement proves your assumptions about me wrong. You refuse to believe what I say, based on the facts, as they put your side of the argument in a weaker position in this fight.

The fact that this is the internet is part of the reason that I've challenged your statements assuming that I'm not who I say I am.

I'm not just saying things for the sake of saying things. When I'm making the non-jabbing statements, I'm making statements based on the facts. Facts that you chose to ignore, or refuse to investigate.

lap dog: Dude you crack me up. REPEAT POINT

Your wife did say that you cracked under pressure… it appears that you're cracking under the pressure of a debate that you don't prevail in.

lap dog: I am glad you got a facebook friend, maybe when she get into Jr. high you guys can be more. RED HERRING

This is another example of you setting stress shields up. As soon as it became evident that this isn't me hiding behind multiple usernames, you pushed the panic button… it shows with your reply here.

Didn't know that she was on my facebook list of friends, didn't you? Are you that stupid that the fact that someone, posting on an adult message board, who's also an Army Veteran, would've completed High School a long time ago?

But again, your one brain celled operation has as much use as a one legged man at a kick boxing contest.

lap dog: What have you proven dushebag, you havnt proven anything other than your someone who thinks that if you keep saying something it makes it true.

I've proven your statement wrong, while referencing posts from people who vouched for who I am.

Your continued denial of the facts doesn't dismiss these facts as being something other than the facts. Still think that I'm not who I say I am? How about creating a collarme account, and asking that person if she's me? How about talking to both the posters about their comments in support of me?

No, you'd rather not do that, your arrogance is trying to protect you from the truth. So you set up stress shields to protect it from all attacks of reason.

Refusing to factcheck your opinion, while continuing to dismiss the facts, reeks of dishonesty and lack of integrity.

lap dog: How is he going to review the documents or do you just expect him to take your word for it. How is he going to know the documents are yours. I could send my dads military records to a mod, how would the mod know that I wasn't my dad, please dude give me a break.

Easy, I scan my ERB, and Iraq War related award citations, along with my military ID card (CAC), and send them to him as attachments. I'll contact "Kenrug," from Mistress Destiny Femdom Forum. We've met each other, face to face, and he knows that I'm in the military. He could vouch for the fact that I'm the one that's in my CAC card… which will have the same basic information that my ERB, and Award Citations would have.

The fact that you'll go out of your way to try to down play this speaks volumes. You'd continue droning on with a disproven opinion rather than accept the fact that you're wrong.

Again, I don't give the opposition any breaks.

lap dog: 69 pages are you kidding me,

No, I'm not kidding you, if you bothered to fact check your opinion, you would've seen that the thread was 69 pages long.

Besides, 69 pages doesn't compare to the 225+ page thread that I debated on at the old Protest Warrior Forums. We're talking about threads with 50 posts per page.

lap dog: talk about free time.

I'm a rapid typist. It doesn't take me long to generate my posts. The rate goes by faster with speech to text. Also, it took place over two months, with more than one person debating with me from the opposition.

I'm going to tell you what I've told the other liberals that I've debated with. Generating posts, and posting them here, aren't the only things that I do in my day… far from it.

lap dog: Neither one proves anything, I bet I could get two members of this board who would tell you I was with seal team 6 and shot bin ladin. It doesnt make it real. INDUCTIVE FALLACY

You don't have a leg to stand on, judging whether it proves anything or not, if you're not willing to investigate the fact yourself. So how about it? Why don't you create a collarme/collarchat account, and ask a moderator or administrator there, if toxic66, Aylee, or I, are the same person?

Then ask toxic66 if we had any interaction, both before or after his post?

Dismissing a logical argument, instead of accepting the fact that you're wrong, reeks of intellectual dishonesty.

lap dog: Its not the stupidity of what you say,

Before you could dismiss something as being "stupid," quotations used strongly here, you have to prove that it's stupid. So far, you've failed to do so, you've chosen to ignore opportunities to fact check your opinions instead.

Here's an example of stupidity of what one says:

"I will stand by my opinion…" - dirty dog

That's you embracing an opinion, that you know would be proven wrong if you were brave enough to confront the facts.

lap dog: its the arrogance in how you say it.

You'd have to have extremely thin skin, aka, be extremely sensitive, if you're going to label my challenges to you as "the arrogance" of how I say things. Hate to break this out to you kid, but stating facts to counter the oppositions misconceptions doesn't make one arrogant, and it doesn't make their comment one that reeks arrogance.

Stating one's experiences, as related to the discussion, in response to an attack from the opposition, doesn't make his statement one that falls under the "arrogance of how you say it," canard.

You're being irresponsible just by making that suggestion.

lap dog: How would you know you haven't been in either. REPEAT POINT

First, you continue to refuse to accept my challenging your opinion's validity. Insisting on making that comment, without subjecting your opinion to a fact check, reeks of dishonesty.

So, I'm going to happily rub your face in the fact that you're WRONG:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3193322/...tm.htm#3326822

"I am making an appearance to say that I have met HFC, he is human, and he is in the military. Infantry and all." - Aylee

Who's right here, you, who has never met me, or Aylee, who not only met me, but has seen documentation proving that what I said on that board, similar to what I said here, correct? I lived in the geo bachelor barracks when she came to the post and picked me up, then took me to her part of Kansas.

And get this, I could tell that you've never served in the military. If you have, and have seen my statements regarding my military service, you'd pick up the fact that I'm a veteran… like this Iraq War Veteran who jumped on my thread when others did the same thing that you're doing here:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3193322/...tm.htm#3320159

ORIGINAL: toxic66 (from collarchat.com; herfacechair thread, "Back from Iraq Ready to answer…."

To the rest of you who doubted whether he is really a Soldier serving in Iraq, I believe he is and I am a twice deployed veteran (if you doubt that just go look at my profile pics, two were taken in Iraq (one in full battle rattle)). I base my belief in that he talks like a Soldier and does know about things going on there. And, he nailed all of the flight times out Iraq back to the U. S. Plus, just knowing what Ali Al Salem is shows a lot (quick before you Google it how many of you know what it is?). He refers to his buddies as battles, and just everything he talked about and described seemed accurate. However, I can’t vouch for chemical weapons as I never ran into any (it doesn’t mean no one else did, just means I didn’t). To be a fake he would have had to talk to a Soldier extensively and asked a lot of questions about even mundane things. It just all sounded like someone who has been there.

Do you see how that works, lap dog? The part of using one's military experience to determine if someone else is really in the military or not, based on what they say? Apparently not, as you probably never served, and you'd rather demonstrate your ignorance just from the way you post.

So how about it? Why don't you contact those posters and find out yourself, or accept the challenge that I issued you earlier.

Continuing to run with an opinion that you're afraid to fact check makes you come across as a person that breathes his own exhaust in.

lap dog: No your gloryhole experience is in the mens room at your favorite truck stop.

That's what your wife told you when you told her that you enjoyed her fucking you up the ass with the strap-on. She corrected you and reminded you of the time she rented you out to a bunch of truckers. Ever since that experience, you begged her to send you back to the men's room at your now favorite truck stop.

lap dog: Well you would no more about piss poor insulting abilities. I have friends who tell me that I am the best at insulting people. Like you I will post their links where they say that. Oh wait thats not anymore believable when I do it then when you do. INDUCTIVE FALLACY

That was a weaker comeback than your previous comeback.

I've constantly seen liberals resort to throwing insults when they run out of argument. I throw the insults back. You're nowhere in their league… especially if responding to your insults are extremely easy for me.

Your comebacks are like a dog with no bark.

Again, there's no comparison between my presenting links, to two different people, that vouched for me and said something that proves you wrong, and to your comparison that you make. You refuse to take my challenge, and you refuse to contact those posters.

Under those conditions, you don't have a leg to stand on when trying to question my references.

lap dog: Okay, glad to know that, seriously though, how much should I put into a comment from the rainman of ECCIE. Do you really think your funny, really.

LOL! This assclown refuses to take a challenge, refuses to fact check his opinion when the opportunity presented itself, yet here he is saying, "seriously"! ROTFLMFAO!

Common guy, your "insults," quotation used strongly, are like wooden arrows bouncing harmlessly from Spanish armor. I'm sitting here shaking my head at the possibility that you honest to God think that you're funny, or that your insults have a "punch."

lap dog: Well how would you know about the military, seriouly everyone that I have ever met who has been in combat, they dont brag about it like you do. But hey I dont have unknown witnesses I can throw out there.

The exact same charges were thrown at me on collarchat, when toxic66 jumped in and said this:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3193322/...tm.htm#3320159

ORIGINAL: toxic66 (from collarchat.com; herfacechair thread, "Back from Iraq Ready to answer…."

To the rest of you who doubted whether he is really a Soldier serving in Iraq, I believe he is and I am a twice deployed veteran (if you doubt that just go look at my profile pics, two were taken in Iraq (one in full battle rattle)). I base my belief in that he talks like a Soldier and does know about things going on there. And, he nailed all of the flight times out Iraq back to the U. S. Plus, just knowing what Ali Al Salem is shows a lot (quick before you Google it how many of you know what it is?). He refers to his buddies as battles, and just everything he talked about and described seemed accurate. However, I can’t vouch for chemical weapons as I never ran into any (it doesn’t mean no one else did, just means I didn’t). To be a fake he would have had to talk to a Soldier extensively and asked a lot of questions about even mundane things. It just all sounded like someone who has been there.

You see, what I've said on this forum is no different than what the other Soldiers have said, face to face, when confronted by the same stupidity that I'm facing here. What I'm doing isn't "bragging," but boosting my argument.

Again, there's a way to spot whether someone is a poser or not. Hiding behind your emotions, like what you're doing, doesn't cut it. I guarantee you that most veterans, reading my entries, wouldn't doubt that I am who I say I am… on the grounds that it takes military experience to recognize another's military experience.

I'm willing to prove who I am, but you're refusing to accept that challenge… heaven forbid that yet another one of your opinions is nothing but emotion based irrational thought.

lap dog:Actually some of the things you thump your chest about and write about are just so absurd that all you can do is laugh.

Wrong. Many of the things that I talk about threaten your argument's position. You're working overtime to try to discredit anything that you know would prove you wrong, and weaken your position. You dismiss them as "chest thumps," in the same post you do a gorilla chest thump trying to justify your generating posts here, hiding behind your business, etc.

You define anything that attempts to break through the stress shields protecting your one brain celled operation as "absurd." You're like the guy who knows that he's guilty as sin, but denies such when someone else accuses him, dismissing him and his claims of your guilt as "absurd."

[herfacechair]

Originally Posted by kcbigpapa

Blah, blah, blah, blah, go fuck yourself, blah, blah, blah blah.

That's how intelligent comments come across to a retard. That's why you have to break things down for them in retard terms. If you don't do that, what you say will go right over their heads.

[dirty dog]

Originally Posted by herfacechair

lap dog: Your probably right I dont know a lot about DADT, but I am sure you do so that you could continue to fly under the gaydar. RED HERRING

You said this:

"Good news the military abolished Dont Ask Dont Tell," - dirty dog

Stupid is thinking that the military would abolish a federal law. I busted you, and told you that the federal government does that, and accurately pointed out that the Department of Defense is lifting it in phases. No shit, I'm in the military, I'm supposed to be aware of the rules that we're charged with enforcing.

Also, how would someone continue to fly under the "gaydar," if the ban is lifted? You've gotten to the point in this debate where you're not even thinking about what you're saying.

The law originally came about to protect people like you from people like me… looking to get rid of people like you, and your comebacks, from the ranks.

lap dog: I dont mistake you as another joke'insult,

That went over your head, didn't it? That doesn't surprise me. Let me break that down for you. I'm telling you that your jokes and comebacks are gay.

lap dog: you do that all yourself.

Actually, I'm doing a good job demonstrating that you, and others on your side of the argument, are not what you portray yourselves on these message boards. I'm unmasking you guys and exposing you people's lack of integrity.

lap dog: As for your name, hell Rock Hudson called himself rock and he was as gay as you are. A username does necessarily indicate someone you are or do. So you can call yourself herfacechair all you want, but everyone knows your throat is a cock holster. RED HERRING

First, I know what my cognitive processes are, you don't. My thought process, with my username, is based on my needs, wants, desires etc. I chose my username to reflect my fetish interests, which involves a woman sitting on my face. If you look at my reviews, you'd notice that I've done reviews of women that I've had GFE with. If you go to Mistress Destiny Femdom Forum's, you'd notice that I've made one post after another expressing interest in doing stuff with women.

A person, with a brain, would look at those facts and conclude that I'm into women. Here, we have a combination of my statements, and actions, which proves that I'm a heterosexual. Considering that you're a rock, you wouldn't see that, which leads to my next point…

Second, Rock Hudson calling himself "Rock" is gender neutral. It's also topic neutral. A person could call themselves a "rock" when it comes to standing up for what they believe. They could also call themselves "Rock" for being able to withstand the currents (which could mean anything… struggles, winds of bad change, etc.

Here's another example, from the Civil War… The Battle of Chickamauga. General Thomas held his ground against repeated assaults, which earned him the Nome de guerre, "The Rock of Chickamauga." Hence, an Army unit taking on the banner of the unit that was involved with this fight, could include "Rock steady" as part of salute exchanges.

See why your bringing "rock" up makes your comment a "red herring" comment? Heck, I could also call you a rock for being stupid. Starting to see a trend here? Rock has many uses.

Third, the fact that you'd zero in on a gay actor speaks volumes about what's really going on in your mind. Quit projecting your traits to me.

lap dog: Have you noticed something here Mr. Debator,

I've noticed a lot of things about the opposition, from debating them for almost 8 years. I've got you guys profiled, categorized and analyzed. You guys argue many of the same talking points, follow the same pattern throughout a debate, and think that you'll succeed where your predecessors have failed. But the result end up the same.

One guy gave it all up and ended up becoming a troll. He still didn't accomplish what you think you'll accomplish. So, I'm wondering, will you, thorough9, or anybody still debating with me here, end up as the next poster that I cause to become a troll?

lap dog:you seem to modify mystates to suite your needs when I have the balls to post all of your ramblings.

If you're going to reply to me, you're going to need to quit crying, to put your man britches on, man up, and take what's coming to you. Since the obvious isn't obvious to you, let me spell this out. I'm going to address as many points that you make as I can… and I do that by breaking your rantings down to sentences… and fractions of sentences.

Everything that you've said, in your posts, is addressed in my posts. I break your turd log into turd nuggets, and address them one by one.

lap dog: If you want my wife dude, take her, I am glad she found a real man like you. I think you may be the cockhold since it is my semen your sucking out of her when as you said she is shaking on your face. How do I taste, probably not as good as your "drill" sergent.

First, having sex with your wife was no problem, she took me real quick, as you fell short of what she expects in a man. Also, you don't know what a cockhold is, don't you? Even though you've been one since your wife took me. A cockhold is the guy the woman she doesn't have sex with… which is you… while she has sex with someone else… me.

The only thing that I tasted from her pussy, the day she sat on my face while shaking her hips back and forth, while accurately nailing your head with a jar of vasoline, was her pussy juices. I mean, the reason to why she threw the vasoline on your head was because you were half assing your milking yourself… so that she could order you to swallow your own semen. But, your fears were unfounded, as you seem to take a liking to it.

After you saw your wife clean my dick up with my lips, she spat in your mouth… your face lit up when her saliva, mixed with her pussy juices and my semen, landed in your mouth. You disappeared for a while… must have been you going to jail to get a taste of more semen.

lap dog: In case you haven't figured it out yet menstrual cramp,

OOOOH! The turd called me "menstrual crap!" LOL! As the DI would say, "Weeaaak!"

lap dog: you can say what you want about my wife, it doesnt get me all excited.

Your actions betray you. The response you gave, with regards to your wife, was the biggest when it came to volume, than most your other responses to me. You've weaved that frustration throughout your replies to me. I wouldn't be surprised if I'm striking a chord with you in this area.

lap dog: Do you want to come over and take her anally.

Nah, that's one of the activities that I don't do. She's happy with the other GFE related activities that we do though. Apparently, the only person that takes it there is you, when your wife wears a strap-on.

lap dog: Why do you believe that anyone is going to believe something just because you post a link and a quote. Hell that could have been written by your transsexual barricks buddy as far as I or anyone else here would know, it's not proof of anything, pinhead. RED HERRING

Are you willing to subject that opinion to a fact check? YES [ ] NO [ ]

You don't see how a comment like this continues to destroy your credibility?

You made an assumption, fueled by your bias against me, that I "wasn't" in the military. I countered your comment with a couple of links, to a website, where two people vouched for me. Instead of taking the logical, rational approach… like creating a collarme profile so that you could contact those people… you make another assumption, trying to dismiss the people that backed me as being someone other than who they actually are.

You have to understand that you don't speak for anybody else on this message board, or on the internet, but you… and other likeminded people on this message board.

Hate to burst your ego bubble, but those posters are real.

Also, by mentioning "barracks buddy," you're countering your assumptions that I'm "not" in the military. If you had a clue about how the military does things, you would've never assumed that there were transsexuals in the barracks.

lap dog: Again see post above.

Your post above is nothing but a red herring, designed to move the topic off course from one where you're forced to question your line of reasoning. I don't accept irrational thought as an effective debate response.

lap dog: Here is a little tip for you, just because you say it does not make it so. The seems to be the point several people have tried to make to your dense,

Again, I don't accept irrational thoughts, and points, as legitimate… so I reject them.

Sarcasms, jokes and insults aside (dirty dog the cockhold comments)… The point that you people consistently miss is that when I say something serious, like the fact that I've combat deployed, or why the Colonials did what they did, I'm saying that based on fact. I saw a series of facts, and I turned around and mentioned those facts.

This isn't a case of me saying that something is so, and expecting others to believe it. It's like me saying that the Earth goes around the Sun, or that Sunday comes before Monday. I'm simply making a statement of fact.

The reason to why you people hide behind the "it's just your opinion" or "just because you say it's so doesn't make it so," canards is because my statements, based on fact, proves your standings wrong.

lap dog: wannabe soldier, superhero ass. REPEAT POINT

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3193322/...tm.htm#3326822

"I am making an appearance to say that I have met HFC, he is human, and he is in the military. Infantry and all." - Aylee

Who's right here, you, who has never met me, or Aylee, who not only met me, but has seen documentation proving that what I said on that board, similar to what I said here, correct? I lived in the geo bachelor barracks when she came to the post and picked me up, then took me to her part of Kansas.

And get this, I could tell that you've never served in the military. If you have, and have seen my statements regarding my military service, you'd pick up the fact that I'm a veteran… like this Iraq War Veteran who jumped on my thread when others did the same thing that you're doing here:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3193322/...tm.htm#3320159



Do you see how that works, lap dog? The part of using one's military experience to determine if someone else is really in the military or not, based on what they say? Apparently not, as you probably never served, and you'd rather demonstrate your ignorance just from the way you post.

lap dog: Really, wow did you take pictures stud, post em, really,

Yup, I took pictures of you while your wife rode me CG style. You looked so much like a loser. After examining your pictures though, both your wife and I decided that we didn’t to scare the general public.

lap dog: she did tell you about her herpe's. You might get checked out because the bumps on your face arnt pimples.

LOL! Her trick did work! She told me that she was going to use a bunch of makeup material, and apply it in a way that'd make you think that she had herpes. I was like, "Nah, that wouldn't work!" She replied, "Don't worry sweetie, that vegetable wouldn't be able to tell the difference!"

The things that she did to make sure that you didn't have sex with her!

Oh yah, those weren’t "bumps," just the same make up that ended up on my face after she sat on it.

lap dog: Naw I always make her brush before I kiss her, I sure hope you did, because we both know how she likes to toss the salad, by the way how did my pasta taste butt licker by proxy.

LOL, now your wife has you thinking that your blow up doll is an actual woman!

I remember you forcing that blowup doll's face in your ass as I was having sex with your wife. And the only time that I saw you clean that blow up dolls mouth was before you put your dick in it… not after, as that's where your mouth came in… after you forced it up your ass, then ejaculated into it.

I asked your wife if she'd ever done that to you, and her response was, "EEEWW! I won't even let his lips touch mine!"

lap dog: No, the government spent a lot of money to put me there,

That's right after you purposely broke indecency laws… by doing the above activities with your blowup doll… outside. You wanted to find a way to get into jail, and you found it. Your hope? To be the prison bitch.

lap dog: but you were already for those nights in the barricks though werent you semen sampler.

The only nights I was ready for was the nights I was going to be spending with your wife while you spent all those nights as the prison population's favorite prison bitch.

Also, which is it? Wannabee soldier or a guy that's in the barracks? You can't even agree with your own comments… do continue to chase your tail, lap dog.

lap dog: Actually a Lesbian is accurate

You see, this is what I mean by you being too stupid to know which gender gets the lesbian label. A lesbian is a woman that mainly prefers women when it comes to sexual activities and intimacy. Being a man that wants a pussy of his own doesn't make you a lesbian. Man… you're such a retard!

If you crawl to your wife, and lick her boot soles clean enough, she might break that down into retard terms for you.

lap dog: because pussy is my favorite meal.

According to your wife, you prefer cock.

lap dog: In fact I like it so much I want one of my own.

Your domina wife did a good job working your mind. Now she's got you thinking that you're a bitch… so much that you want a pussy of your own, so that you could take her strap-on action somewhere else other than up your ass.

lap dog: The fun thing in all this is you actually think your attempts to slam me are funny,

They are. A person observing me replying to you would see me smiling and laughing at what I was typing. I could also tell, by your reactions, that I'm consistently hitting you in the jugular with my slams.

Throw in the 80s music that's playing now, and I'm having a blast.

Let's face it, if my slamming didn't bother you, you'd ignore me. Instead, you reward me by coming back and demonstrating more of your weak slamming performances… thus giving me more laughing opportunities.

You're like the guy that tries to come up with a "come back" to an insult… who slows down mid-sentence… then ends up saying some gibberish while trying to think of what to say for a comeback… right when everybody else laughs at his failure.

lap dog: you werent real popular in school were you?

People liked me in school.

Judging by your attitude on this message board, I'd say you had a rough K-12 experience. You probably got picked on consistently.

lap dog: So your wanting me to help you by tell you what the male counterpart of a lesbian is

No, I was helping your one brained celled operation to help you categorize yourself correctly. This is what you said:

"Your right, I see myself as a Lesbian...." - dirty dog

Male homosexuals don't describe themselves as "lesbians." But, you're too stupid to know that. Perhaps if you crawl to your wife, lick the bottom of her shoes, she might be kind enough to break that down into retard terms so that you could understand what a lesbian is.

lap dog: so that you can more accurately describe yourself,

I've already accurately described myself on this message board. Since you have problems understanding basic written English, it's obvious that those facts flew right over your head. Perhaps if you toned your arrogance down, you'd be able to see the facts about me.

lap dog: well there are many names which would fit you.

Of course there are… Herfacechair, "He who pulverizes lap dog," the list goes on…

lap dog: Fag, queer, homo, throat bobber the list goes on and on.

Those are the names your wife calls you, she'll be happy that you're learning your place in her world.

lap dog: Are you sure about all of that,

Yes, and it has been verified by those that have debated with me in the past, as well as those that were my allies in these debates.

lap dog: seems to me its you the feels the need to keep telling everyone what a great debator you are. Why do you suppose that is.

And it seems to me that you're too stupid to see cause and effect relationships. For instance, I mentioned my debating abilities in response to your feeble attempts to slam them. Here, let me simplify this for you.

Let "X" be the Opposition's comment.

Let "Y" be my response.

Then… we have this:

If "X," then "Y."

If "X" is your spreading your arrogance about the nature of my debates,

Then "Y" is my logical, well-reasoned, response to your arrogant reply.

See the relationship? If not, if you crawl to your wife, lick the bottom of her shoes clean to her satisfaction, she might break that down into retard terms for you.

lap dog: Do you really think your impressing anyone or that anyone really cares or believes in a thing your saying.

I've lost count of how many times a liberal, that I was debating, would say this… as if he/she were the appointed spokesperson for the entire community…

Again, you don't speak for the entire community, you only speak for other likeminded posters, and yourself. Your arrogance wouldn't let you fathom the idea that you're getting pummeled in debate.

I highly doubt that most the people that debate you here would agree with any of your drivel.

lap dog: You crack me up.

Actually, it's the pressure, that you face when trying to debate with me, that's cracking you up. Your wife wasn't kidding when she told me that you crack under pressure.

lap dog: No slow is what your mental capabilities are.

And you don't realize how your giving me this reply, gave me the ammo I needed to hammer you more? God, this retard is really slow! Now watch me continue to trample you here, just as your wife tramples you at home…

lap dog: I will tell you how this is possible. Are you ready, their called employee's. When you have them you dont do the work they do. In charge of those employees are managers whom you make responsible for running things. Get it right, I own to remaining businesses and just recently sold two others.

First, what you said:

"I am at work and generally type in a hurry." - dirty dog

None of the business owners that I know of sits down and enters posts on message boards. They're constantly busy. If nothing is going on, they find something, anything, that has to do with the business, to keep them occupied. Many of them even find time to get involved with their employees, even getting involved with the training process.

But, they're constantly doing something that's constructive.

None of the business owners that I spoke to, as a freelance copywriter, bogged themselves down blogging on internet sites that have nothing to do with their business. They're constantly busy.

So, the fact that you're making post entries, on ECCIE, while you're at work, speaks volumes of something being wrong...

lap dog: Dont be a hater because your a worker bee.

WOW! Do you honest to God think that I'd take your job over the one that I'm doing now? Since you missed it, here it is again:

"Also, as a freelance writer, when I do 'work,' and when I slam you on this message board, is flexible. I work from my home computer; all I need is the internet so that I could communicate with my clients." - herfacechair

"I'm my own boss, I set my own schedule. - herfacechair

Why would I trade, what I'm doing now, for what you're doing now? F that, you could keep what you're doing, I wouldn't trade what I'm doing to do what you're doing now.

This isn't about "hating," this is about me exposing the stupidity in your argument.

lap dog: You might remember this as well there Sonny.

I never claimed, or acted, like I spoke for everybody, kid. You spoke as if you'd know what'd happen to me in a certain area, without knowing who I am, or what others, who've been in the same environment you've been in, have said.

lap dog: Well its good to know all that,

Had you said that to the facts that I presented earlier in the thread, you would've been showing integrity, and would've proven that you're not a liberal.

lap dog: wow thats freaking impressive.

That's what your wife's domina friends said when she showed you to them to prove that a man could live without a brain.

lap dog: Who are we to believe, someone that pops out of no where claiming to be the second coming of christ or people who may not even exist except inside your head. For example, 4 ladies said I was a great guy and they each gave me 100,000 dollars, that has about as much foundation in fact and creditbility as your comments. INDUCTIVE FALLACY + STRAWMAN ARGUMENT

I presented a logical argument. You pulled shit out of your ass about how I'd do in a certain environment. I referenced friends, both who've served and who didn't serve in the military, real people, who said something that countered what you said. I know for a fact that they're real.

Instead of coming to terms with the fact that you made a weak argument, about how I'd do in a certain environment, you started pulling the "second coming of Christ" argument, and summarily dismissed, a firsthand account of real people, as nothing but "existing only in the head."

That'll be like me saying, "Hey, lap dog doesn't really own those stores, he's just a loser laundry boy at the cheap motel, who claims to own stores instead of talking about his real profession!"

"But wait!" You might say, "I honest to God own and manage a store, that's not my imagination, or me making things up, I own a store!"

Maybe I could argue that you don't own those stores and completely ignore the fact that you have a firsthand account of what you do. But I don't, because I'm not like you.

But, you, lacking integrity, would rather set stress shields up to protect your one brain celled operation from all attacks of reason, rather than come to terms to the fact that you were wrong.

There's no logical, or common sense, comparison between what I said, and the example that you gave above.

Here's where the strawman argument aspect of your response comes in.

Let "X" be what I stated.
Let "Y" be what you just stated above, which is a distorted version of what I said.
You argue against the idea of "Y".
You conclude that "Y" is wrong, then further conclude that since "Y" is wrong, "X" is "wrong."

You're showing desperation in your latest replies to me. The fact that you'd continue playing futile games like this shows that you don't have any self-respect.

lap dog: Please, please post the entire quote where I said you were hammering me, RED HERRING

I'm interpreting your actions, based on your attitude in this thread, as well as your attitude toward the facts that I've presented. I've dismissed the explanations you've given to me in this thread, as I see what's really driving your actions.

You were enthusiastic about the idea of me being "dead." I mean, if I were "dead," I wouldn't be here constantly taking you apart… not just with this post, but with the argument. That's something that, deep down inside, you despise. You want me to "go away," but I won't. That bothers you. Worse, I'm here constantly taking your argument apart… when others would just give you single liners, or just disappear… it bothers you that I'll keep dismantling you instead of doing what others would do.

lap dog: give me a freaking break.

I don't give breaks to the opposition.

lap dog: No actually I call you a putz and rambo based on the crap you write,

This is what I'm talking about when I say that you're setting stress shields up to protect your one brain celled operation from all attacks of reason. You call me a "putz," because I refuse to stop destroying your arguments. You call me a "Rambo/soldier wannabee", for to accept the fact that I'm in the military, and the fact that I've combat deployed to Iraq, would mean accepting the fact that when it comes to the military aspect of our discussion of the Revolutionary War, I have the advantage.

Your arrogance doesn't want that.

To you, what I say is "crap," because it disagrees with the nonsense that you hold near and dear in this debate. You willfully disregard the facts, or opportunities to fact check your assumptions, because doing so would force you to accept that you're arguing from a weak position in this thread.

lap dog: as for being used to it,

No, you're not used to someone like me. A check of the other threads in this message board, where you're involved with a debate, shows that nobody else is lacerating you, almost point by point, like I am.

lap dog: you make me laugh dude,

You're just pulling shit out of your ass, you're not laughing at what I'm doing. Your posts show that I'm getting under your skin…

lap dog: you sure think a lot about yourself, STRAWMAN ARGUMENT

Again, jabs and sarcasm aside, if I'm mentioning something about me, whether that's my profession, or something that I've done, it's in response to someone's attempt to diminish who I am, or what I've done. For example, if you're going to fart the opinion that I'm a "wannabee," I'm going to link you to posts of people who know better. I'm even going to challenge you. That's not me "thinking a lot about myself," that's me countering libel attempts against me.

I do have the right to defend myself.

lap dog: dude your amusment for me.

The tone in your posts betray you, and you're saying that based on arrogance, and not from amusement. I've gotten under your skin, and it's showing with your replies.

If anybody is laughing here, it's me. I laugh at what you say, and at how hard you tap dance in response to a statement proving you wrong. Especially when you'd rather stand by a disproven opinion instead of accept the fact that you're wrong.

The harder you tap dance, the harder I laugh. You've been tap dancing harder lately.

lap dog: Actually I prefer to keep your posting so you will continue to look like a dork. So hammer away thor.

This is an example where you say one thing, but mean another. But you don't need to tell me to do something that I enjoy doing. Judging by comments, made about my debate persistence in the past, by those that disagreed with the opposition, I'm happy to tell you that your, "look like a dork," comment is just your childish reaction to my constantly destroying you in this thread.

lap dog: Just what are you exposing, be specific here.

Read every reply that I've given you on this thread.

lap dog: Well you keep on moving there slick expose me, however, know that I have posted the address of my business at this site as we all as Dennis's board and ASPD. If you would like scan in your drivers license with your name exposed and then I will be happy to scan in mine and my occupations license. But since they have my real info, I want you to put your info out there too.

First, time to counter you with your own words:

"you sure think a lot about yourself" - dirty dog

Second, until you accept my challenge to you, you don't have a leg to stand on when challenging me. I've challenged you to put your opinion, "that I'm a soldier wannabe," to the test. Again, here's my challenge:

Are you willing to put your opinion to the test? If so, I could ask the Virginia moderator if he'd be willing to review the following documents:

My ERB

My Iraq War related award citations

And see if he'd come over here to vouch for the fact that I've combat deployed to Iraq.

Or, you could create an account with collarchat, and talk to the two posters that vouched for me on my 69 page thread there. Take your pick.

If you're not willing to do one of the two, then can it with your, "post your shit here" challenge.

Third, when I said that I'm exposing you, I'm telling you that I'm unmasking you here. If anybody, that doesn't favor, or have any bias, against both sides of our argument, sees your continued performance in this debate, they're not going to see you in the same light as you think you're being seen.

For instance, your claims that I amuse you… yeah, nothing but rubbish…. you've acted like the others whose skin I've gotten under. I'm exposing you as an intellectually dishonest poster, with no integrity, as someone who'll willfully disregard the facts in order to hold a disproven opinion with a death grip.

LOL I have actually gotten you to write a full page rebutal, I pull the chain and your bark LOL.

[herfacechair]

Originally Posted by dirty dog

LOL I have actually gotten you to write a full page rebutal, I pull the chain and your bark LOL.

That comment has as much validity as, say, a person taking credit for causing the shark to attack him while he was swimming.

[dirty dog]

String pulled, dog barks LOL Keep barking sparky

[MsElena]

I wonder if I pay the owners or the MOD's if they'd stop this madness?

[dirty dog]

Originally Posted by MsElena

I wonder if I pay the owners or the MOD's if they'd stop this madness?

I am sorry Elena, I just cant help it, the idiot does not even know I have been pulling his chain for fun. If he would bother to look, I never took sides in this debate, I just simply agreed with what a few other posters posted, but I have been able to get him to write volumns of material debating me and I am not even debating him, I am just picking on him.... Sorry but it makes me laugh. I will stop if you ask me two, all that you have too do is ask, perferably in something see through, with some wine and cheese and a little candlelight.

[MsElena]

Originally Posted by dirty dog

I am sorry Elena, I just cant help it, the idiot does not even know I have been pulling his chain for fun. If he would bother to look, I never took sides in this debate, I just simply agreed with what a few other posters posted, but I have been able to get him to write volumns of material debating me and I am not even debating him, I am just picking on him.... Sorry but it makes me laugh. I will stop if you ask me two, all that you have too do is ask, perferably in something see through, with some wine and cheese and a little candlelight.

I know you're having fun. You keep having your fun, I love seeing a cat toss a mouse into the air numerous times.

As for asking you to do something....it won't be to stop. I can also handle the wine, cheese, lingerie and candlelight.

[kcbigpapa]

Originally Posted by dirty dog

String pulled, dog barks LOL Keep barking sparky

Heel HFC, heel.


The only thing we hear when herfacechair posts is:

woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof

DD, you need to get that yippie little dog of yours under control.

[herfacechair]

Originally Posted by dirty dog

REPEAT POINT

String pulled, dog barks LOL Keep barking sparky

REPEAT POINT

Again, that's like someone, who just got attacked by a shark, claiming that he caused the shark to attack him. Are you that stupid that you don't see the cause and effect going on here?

Dismount from your high horse and get over yourself.

Let's simplify for you. Your drivel = "X," my rebuttal = "Y,"

If "X," then "Y." That's the pattern that keeps repeating itself throughout any thread I'm debating in.

If that simple cause and effect explanation went over your head, hire an interpreter that could break that down into retard terms… so that you could hopefully understand what I just said.

[herfacechair]

Originally Posted by MsElena

I wonder if I pay the owners or the MOD's if they'd stop this madness?

Typical liberal wanting to silence the opposition. Wouldn't think twice about pondering the possibility to pay someone to "stop this madness," thus preventing someone from exercising their freedom of speech on a thread the liberals don't have an advantage in… when we're close to the 4th of July.

I have a better idea, and it depends on the opposition taking responsibility for their own actions… rather than one of them wanting to cry to the moderators or owners.

You could resist the urge to click this thread open. Nobody is forcing you to read this thread. Nobody has a gun pointed to you, saying, "read this or else." That decision is completely up to you. You could simply NOT read this thread, and stay out of it, instead of whining about something that you can't control.

[herfacechair]

lap dog: I am sorry Elena, I just cant help it, the idiot does not even know I have been pulling his chain for fun.

Do you want to see how ridiculous you sound?

You're like that hobbyist that gets busted by the cops, who subsequently tries to get out of his situation by claiming that he didn't realize that he had money in his envelop, the one that he was dropping off because he wanted to give the woman an envelope she could use to mail a letter.

Your ego self-massage excuses might work to give you a false sense of "victory," and it may work on likeminded people, but it won't work on critical thinking people.

Between the two of us, I'm the only one that's having fun. Exposing you as a liar, and proving you wrong with your own words, are part of what makes this fun.

The only idiot in this debate, between us, is you. You don't realize that the longer you stay in this exchange, the more you lose credibility. Take my response to your next skid mark:

lap dog: If he would bother to look, I never took sides in this debate, I just simply agreed with what a few other posters posted, but I have been able to get him to write volumns of material debating me and I am not even debating him, I am just picking on him....

I looked alright, and this is what you said:

"You drug me into this debate by called me a liberal." - dirty dog

Do you see that? It's in quotes, and I tagged it with your username, you can't miss it. Heck, you shouldn't, you wrote it as your justification as to why you're in this debate. This has nothing to do with your "having fun," that excuse came later, when your original plan didn't work.

And, that excuse doesn't match the tone that you've given throughout this thread.

You're pulling the same stunt that Al-Qaeda pulled. When our invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq foiled their attempts to revive the Islamic Caliphates, they turned around and claimed that they really wanted us in the Middle East.

Yup, change your plans to match what actually happens instead of accepting the fact that your original plans failed.

Your, "I'm getting him to post large volumes, and I'm having fun," canard doesn't cut it. You failed to do what you initially set out to do, so now you're lying your ass off about why you're doing this in the first place.

BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!

This is you taking sides:

"I could not agree more. Anyone who would support her is way to far to the right for me to even listen too." - dirty dog

That was in response to catnipdipper crying over my continuing to fight my position here. My argument was consistent, that Sarah Palin stated something closer to the truth than her critics when it came to the events of that night.

That's when our argument began, not with you directly addressing me… something you were initially reluctant to do.

You see, not only can't you get it right about what you've done, you can't even get it right about what you'd do. I guess I'm not "too far to the right" for you to listen to.

lap dog: Sorry but it makes me laugh.

No it doesn't. You failed to achieve what you initially set out to achieve. So now you're here trying to spin this idea that you're just "yanking my chain."

My actions don't make you laugh… otherwise, you would've stuck with just replying with smiley's, or you could've just ignored me. But, most of what I say gets under your skin. That's why you're still here.

Your, "I'm just yanking his chain," crap is nothing but BS that you're using to try to get me to give up on you. Many have tried those same tactics before. Like them, your attempts will fail.

lap dog: I will stop if you ask me two, all that you have too do is ask, perferably in something see through, with some wine and cheese and a little candlelight

She implied it earlier in this thread:

OK seriously, I'm sitting here asking myself, "why on god's green earth would you guys keep umm....debating with this guy?" - MsElena

The suggestion required you guys to do the only thing that you guys could do to stop me from debating with you guys.

It wasn't going to matter if she asked you during a session, or if she asked you here. Your arrogance is too powerful for you to even comply with her request if she asked you to stop.

[herfacechair]

MsElena: I know you're having fun. You keep having your fun,

Again, his own words:

"You drug me into this debate by called me a liberal." - dirty dog

That's contrary to his, "I'm having fun," claims. So, either you don't pay attention to what's being said by those that you blindly follow, or you can't tell if someone is baffling you with bullshit.

MsElena: I love seeing a cat toss a mouse into the air numerous times.

Wrong analogy when describing what's going on between dirty dog and me. The proper analogy is that lap dog is playing with fire and is consistently getting burned.

MsElena: As for asking you to do something....it won't be to stop.

A question that you threw to those debating me, which included dirty dog:

OK seriously, I'm sitting here asking myself, "why on god's green earth would you guys keep umm....debating with this guy?" - MsElena

And another one that feigned neutrality:

"I wonder if I pay the owners or the MOD's if they'd stop this madness?" - MsElena

How could you get this thread to stop if you're not going to ask him to stop? If you're going to say that you won't ask him to stop, then you might as well put your adult woman britches on, woman up, and quit bitching and complaining about this debate continuing on.

You need to be honest with the readers, he's not the one that you want stopped. You don't care if the liberals in this message board plow on and on and on. It only becomes a problem for you when a conservative outlasts them.