Dammit, tbonetas

[blowpop]

Originally Posted by WTF

Olivia, if in fact someone did ask for a discount for a tenderlion because that is all they had....the store owner does not have to accept. I offered half price for a 15k dollar chandelier and a store owner accepted. He did not have to accept.

I do not understand your obsession with him asking. If you do not think being on his list is worth the discount some ladies give, that is a whole other thing. Of course you do not want people to come to you and ask for discounts but that is not real world. IMHO

fyi I don't ask for discounts probably because I do not want to pay 1-2k for some lady that isn't a household name. Maybe I'll change my tune when I'm 70!

Good post, WTF.

I'm not completely sure why some providers go ballistic when the concept of negotiation is mentioned (even when they bring it up, LOL), but I have an idea.

For some providers, her hourly rate is tied to her self worth. If she charges more, she feels she's somehow "worth" more as a person. (In my opinion, nothing could be farther from the truth. I have friends who work $30K a year jobs who I consider to be much better folks that professionals I know pulling down over a million a year.)

So if a guy asks if there's a less expensive option, she's reading that as "He doesn't think I'm worth it! Some nerve he's got!" As opposed to "He likes me enough to want to schedule with me."

Everyone in business would prefer if no one questioned what they charge, and happily paid what they asked. But IMO this is naive - some customers care more about value. I deal with this on a regular basis in my business, as most other small businesses do, too.

It's up to each business person whether or not they're going to choose to discount, of course. (My personal choice is to try to find something I can offer to the customer that fits his budget. But I don't do $5000 worth of work for $2000.)

Work with a budget-conscious customer or not. That's a business decision. But there is no benefit whatsoever in trying to bash a customer who asks for a better deal. At least that's the way I see it.

[pyramider]

What is wrong with compensating the lady for her time rather than the act?

[Hot to Trot Daphne]

Ava Love foretold this clusterfuck back in 2010. Ava, where you at?

Originally Posted by Ava Love

Cheater Cheater Pumpkin Eater, How Does your Garden Grow?
Reviews are being read by Cheating Providers who have their clients e-mail it to them so they can cover their tracks if I'ts a bad one, by having a regular client write one for them atcually dictated first by the Provider to say what they want in it to make them sound like gravy to make up for the real BAD perfomance that they did do. I heard Providers actually brag about their scam. I know some clients sign up as members to write fake reviews for whatever Provider just to make them sound all fly. Usually it's a boyfriend or agency. (Total Creeps in my book).
Then there's the cheating Hobbyiest that offer a review for discounts. Or just flat lie about writing one for you if you'll do extra favors for them. Then there's the all classic load of crap (I'll take pics for a free get together). Keeping your Image clean and making a name for yourself should come from loving what you do. I personally have found my true calling and love my job. Carma and common sense is something some true losers just don't get and NEVER will. Sooner or later these cheaters will get themselfs into a wreck with this dumb shit. It totally makes me wet to know I'm bad ass at what I do. It's all about the experience you have behind you that gives you superfly pride. It just get's me off like crazy, multiple time knowing I earn my shit, and teach my girls the same ediqute of Providing or you're just fake ass nobody that will surely roll it up sooner or later. That's what's up A V A L O V E

I feel nostalgic, almost as if we have come full circle.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Eccie Addict

What if a gal asked to be compensated after the deed yet the guy refused offering some excuse. Would that be considered a "choice"?

If would be considered a bad choice on her part...a lesson learned!

[dearhunter]

Originally Posted by WTF

If would be considered a bad choice on her part...a lesson learned!

How nice.........and what would it be "on his part"?

Wait.......I thinck I know the answer to that..........it would be him being a stand-up hero teaching her a valuable life lesson..........how kind of him.........ijs

[DEAR_JOHN]

Originally Posted by Eccie Addict

What if a gal asked to be compensated after the deed yet the guy refused offering some excuse. Would that be considered a "choice"?

Duh, you compensate her.

Originally Posted by dearhunter

EA, I'm not sure DJ is qualified to answer that (not being active)........but, surely BlowPup (as the great stand-up hero of the hooktards) can answer that question.

Yes, I'm as qualified as anybody to answer that. How's your first review coming?

Maybe I'm not active, however let's compare signal/noise ratio on this site. Do you ever post anything of any substance?

[Wakeup]

Originally Posted by DEAR_JOHN

Duh, you compensate her.

Heh...this should be good...BP, care to respond?

[dearhunter]

DJ, you have me all wrong......I don't thinck you are an asshole at all.........heh

On the island of the blind the one eyed man is king.........hail king dj

[WTF]

Originally Posted by dearhunter

How nice.........and what would it be "on his part"?

Wait.......I thinck I know the answer to that..........it would be him being a stand-up hero teaching her a valuable life lesson..........how kind of him.........ijs

Teaching a chick how to run her business or in this case , how not to run her business is a valuable lesson. If he only charged one blowjob, that seems pretty damn cheap in my book. After all, how many blowjobs do you think she has given away for free, prior to starting her hooking business?


She could always call the police for theft of service. Oh wait that is another lesson reinforced, this is illegal.

That is two lessons right there for the price of what formerly were free blowjobs!

Every business has a learning curve, the ones who are most successful are the ones that can take responsibility for their fault in what turn out to be bad transactions.

blowpop is teaching these women a valuable lesson. He should be getting praised instead of castigated.

All hail blowpop!


Now let me do my public service announcement...these ladies should probably start the bj for free without any discussion of price or service. But after that free sample , they should get their money. That would keep a lot of these dumb bitchs from going to jail and folks like blowpop wouldn't be getting free blowjobs. He would be getting a bj for the possibility of putting some chick on his top nine list!

[oilfieldscum]

Originally Posted by WTF

If would be considered a bad choice on her part...a lesson learned!

Would you call a hobbyist that did that a "gentlemen"?

Maybe that's why some fucktards have the need to post lists.

[dearhunter]

I get it now.......BlowPup is wanting to franchise his Top 10 List of teaching hooktards a valuable lesson.

[boardman]

Car notes and rent? Seriously? Is that what you really thinck about these women.

Do you go into Pappa's and concern yourself with how much their rent is?

I would submit that "bad attitude" is a matter of perception.

Reminds me of the line in Pretty Woman.

"I would never treat you like a prostitute...."

"You just did!"

[pyramider]

Anyone else thincking that WTF is getting free bjs from Blowpop for posting that gem?

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by DEAR_JOHN

Olivia, the post I made that you answered is so basic, I find it beneath you to ask.

Any chance that some (or most) of the ladies don't have a large client base so they give discounts to make the car note (metaphor) or the rent, which is usually due toward the end of the month? One guy on ASPD who mainly focused on the strip club forum made it known plain and well how to manulipate the rent to having cheaper sessions. One of these day I will whisper his name to you.

Beneath me as it may seem to be, for hopefully the LAST TIME. If the guy would pay her her posted rate, then perhaps she wouldn’t be broke. The only other argument is perhaps she is in the wrong business because she doesn’t have the looks or the business acumen for sex industry or working for herself. That’s it. Nothing more.

Ok, this guy went to strip clubs in hopes of finding a stripper he wanted with rent issues. No one here has said how Blowpapi and guys like him find the girls that need a ‘lil help getting by. Do these girls just know by some secret grapevine that Blowpapi can free his super busy life’s schedule up a bit to dash off and see some girl for thirty cents on the dollar for a euphemistic car note? How is all this transacted and communicated?

Originally Posted by DEAR_JOHN

You're anger is blinding you

I’m not angry. To the contrary, I’m being quite level headed and methodical about getting to the bottom of any gentlemanlyness used to grift women out of what they’re owed. I've always heard that a man with that behavior is called a cad not a gentleman. I just want the whole and complete truth. That’s all. If I were angry, DAMN, everyone would know it.

Originally Posted by DEAR_JOHN

about their being 2 sides (or more as WTF states) of this 'business'. It's no different that some guy wants a muscle car and GM is offering a $2,000 rebate on the Camaro SS, while Ford is offering a $3,000 rebate on a Mustang GT. Ford wants his business more and will deal to it most likely get it. It's Fords choice to make a better offer, and it was the buyers choice to buy the Mustang GT or to say to hell with the better discount, he wants the Camaro SS.

Then go buy the Mustang and leave us alone. Leave us alone with the scheming bullshit. I used to detest it when a client would think that going to a nice supper with a nice wine would in some way limit the amount they were obligated for. No. Pay my rate, and I’ll take myself to Masaraff’s or shopping at Tootsie’s. I don’t work for my dinner or trinkets, and I assume my clients aren’t panhandlers.

Do these men actually think that our egos are so fragile that we’ll give in to a ridiculous offer just because you flatter us? You're so fun, let's go have a drink - then fuck for free. I can assure you, most if not all of the women charging $300 / $350 per hour aren’t lacking or male attention paid or otherwise.

Originally Posted by DEAR_JOHN

That's just the way it is. That's life. That's why some people live in River Oaks and some people live in the suburbs.

And these people both in River Oaks and the ‘burbs don’t have grifters constantly trying to slime some sugar off of them on a regular basis and they have sex with their wives.

Originally Posted by DEAR_JOHN

.........about freebies at socials...........I don't remember blowpop carrying a gun at a social and forcing some gal to give him a freebie or a quick 'taste'. Freebies at socials have gone on since 1999, long before a lot of ECCIE members were around. In the very early days it happened a lot. If some gal offers to give a guy a quick taste of things to come, what are you going to do to stop it?

A sample, or taste as you put it, isn’t a blowjob. A sample in a store is a bite of cake not the whole fucking cake. It’s the same with working girls. When someone wanted a little more at the ASPD socials, I just coyly told them that I date professionally and left it at that.

Originally Posted by DEAR_JOHN

It's her choice, or do you speak for all the ladies on this item also? The last I heard.......

A fucking gentleman, like Blowpapi slimes to be, would have CLAIRIFIED it before hand. Would have gotten the world from the lady that this was gratis. He conned her.

Originally Posted by DEAR_JOHN

NO means NO.

Choice..........choice........ ...choice.

Yes, and his grifting ass chose to not mention he wanted – because I can guarantee you he didn’t assume it was – free. He’s not a gentleman. He’s a grifter and a user of women.

Originally Posted by dearhunter

EA, I'm not sure DJ is qualified to answer that (not being active)........but, surely BlowPup (as the great stand-up hero of the hooktards) can answer that question.

We’re still waiting on an answer from Sir Blowpapi about several things:

1 – Does he re-“interview” the ladies for each list?
2 – How does he find these women that need help with their euphemistic car note?
3 – Does he clarify with the ladies willing to line up and give him a blow job at socials that it is to be on the house.
4 – Ah hell, while we’re at it, does he consider any of this gentlemanly behavior. I guess we just need to get a definition of gentlemen form Blowpapi and fans.

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