Why A Yes Vote For The Iran Nuclear Deal Is A No-Brainer

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

They didn't try, they did. How did we find out? One way was they turned off the monitoring cameras. I don't believe it gets any BETTER than that.

Flighty wants the treaty passed to find out what's in it. But its meaningless anyway, the sanctions have been lifted thanks to Obama taking it to the UN and getting it approved. The "snap back" sanctions are a joke. Russia and Iran already are dealing for missile systems. Again, my guess is that one year from no major provisions of the treaty will be fulfilled on Iran's end.

How do you propose they could turn off our satellites, miles above the earth?

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by WTF

North Korea has nukes!

And they constantly threaten us.

Here's the differences:

1) They don't have massive oil reserves that can give them a huge amount of hard cash
2) NK has China so that if NK used the nuclear weapon, China would be forced to act else it would cost them dearly financially
3) NK doesn't escalate other marginal nations to get a bomb, their neighboring countries either have a bomb or are allies with folks that would retaliate for them.
4) NK having the bomb doesn't put a $10 premium on each barrel of oil

There are many others. To accommodate your poor reading comprehension, I only listed four.

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

And they constantly threaten us.

Here's the differences:

1) They don't have massive oil reserves that can give them a huge amount of hard cash
2) NK has China so that if NK used the nuclear weapon, China would be forced to act else it would cost them dearly financially
3) NK doesn't escalate other marginal nations to get a bomb, their neighboring countries either have a bomb or are allies with folks that would retaliate for them.
4) NK having the bomb doesn't put a $10 premium on each barrel of oil

There are many others. To accommodate your poor reading comprehension, I only listed four.

As the deal with Iran has been going forward, the bottom has dropped out of oil. Iran will put even more oil on the market, a market which has a glut of oil as it is. Supply is up but demand is not there. Even you should be able to figure out that leads to lower prices, not higher ones.

[DSK]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

As the deal with Iran has been going forward, the bottom has dropped out of oil. Iran will put even more oil on the market, a market which has a glut of oil as it is. Supply is up but demand is not there. Even you should be able to figure out that leads to lower prices, not higher ones.

And yet, you claim to be long on oil?

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by DSK

And yet, you claim to be long on oil?

And yet, you once claimed to be a Jewish Lawyer, aka JLIdiot.

And then you lost the bet!

Shortly afterwards you became a Jewish Welsher, aka DSKIdiot.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

And they constantly threaten us.

Here's the differences:

1) They don't have massive oil reserves that can give them a huge amount of hard cash
2) NK has China so that if NK used the nuclear weapon, China would be forced to act else it would cost them dearly financially
3) NK doesn't escalate other marginal nations to get a bomb, their neighboring countries either have a bomb or are allies with folks that would retaliate for them.
4) NK having the bomb doesn't put a $10 premium on each barrel of oil

There are many others. To accommodate your poor reading comprehension, I only listed four.

Really , Iran is in North America, threatening us?

By threatening us do you mean that we do not have total control of their government like we did pre 1980? ....when they were our ally.

Right now stability in the region should be our goal. We have a common goal in that regard. The Iraq fuck up will take a long time to fix. This nation building Democracy in that region did not work, was never going to work and was Fool's Gold for you folks that still seem to think it was a good idea.

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by DSK

And yet, you claim to be long on oil?

12 months. Lot can change in 12 months. If it doesn't, I'll lose some. That's the nature of the beast.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by WTF

Really , Iran is in North America, threatening us?

By threatening us do you mean that we do not have total control of their government like we did pre 1980? ....when they were our ally.

Right now stability in the region should be our goal. We have a common goal in that regard. The Iraq fuck up will take a long time to fix. This nation building Democracy in that region did not work, was never going to work and was Fool's Gold for you folks that still seem to think it was a good idea.

you dumbfuck. do you mean this guy?



deposed by this guy?



betrayed by this guy?



we should have backed the first guy. dumbfuck.

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by WTF

Really , Iran is in North America, threatening us?

I was specifically referring to NK. I did not waste my time with the rest of your drivel based on your not comprehending what country referenced. Or it could simply be another one of your strawman attempts.

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

As the deal with Iran has been going forward, the bottom has dropped out of oil. Iran will put even more oil on the market, a market which has a glut of oil as it is. Supply is up but demand is not there. Even you should be able to figure out that leads to lower prices, not higher ones.

Originally Posted by gnadfly

I was specifically referring to NK. I did not waste my time with the rest of your drivel based on your not comprehending what country referenced. Or it could simply be another one of your strawman attempts.

I'd like a response. Or did you not have one, since you fucked up?

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

You act as if we had a chance at getting a better deal and there's no evidence for that.

Has anyone ever seen a stupider comment than this? You could ALWAYS have gotten a better deal. Why do you think Trump is leading in the polls? Most people recognize the author of "The Art of the Deal" wouldn't have been taken to the cleaners the way Odumbo and Kerry were in their negotiations with Iran.
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[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Has anyone ever seen a stupider comment than this? You could ALWAYS have gotten a better deal. Why do you think Trump is leading in the polls? Because most people recognize the author of "The Art of the Deal" wouldn't have been taken to the cleaners the way Odumbo and Kerry were in their negotiations with Iran.
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Yeah, the one you just made. Firstly, you can't 'always' get a better deal. That's just an outright lie. At some point you've gotten the best deal you are going to get. And to think of Trump negotiating with Iran makes me fucking laugh. These are not real estate deals, dumbass. And to think they have anything in common is to be naive.

Trump is leading in the polls because of mouthbreathers like you. He gets you all tingly saying the shit you want to hear. Go load up his latest stump speech, grab the lube and have a great time.

[CuteOldGuy]

I don't oppose the deal. I oppose the lies about it. The only good thing about the deal is that it reduces the chances that we will go to war with Iran. That's good enough for me. And I don't care if they get a nuke. The only country in history to use a nuke other than in testing is the USA. Iran is only a threat because we keep poking at them. If we would cultivate trade instead of meddling, they'd be a very strong ally in the ME. But wars and rumors of wars is what keeps the cash flowing to the banks and Big Business. There is no profit in peace.

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

I don't oppose the deal. I oppose the lies about it. The only good thing about the deal is that it reduces the chances that we will go to war with Iran. That's good enough for me. And I don't care if they get a nuke. The only country in history to use a nuke other than in testing is the USA. Iran is only a threat because we keep poking at them. If we would cultivate trade instead of meddling, they'd be a very strong ally in the ME. But wars and rumors of wars is what keeps the cash flowing to the banks and Big Business. There is no profit in peace.

What lies? The rest is spot on, we've meddled with Iran long enough. We would not take the poking that we give them, yet we expect them to like it and demand more.

[universalenergy]

This deal was put together and approved by the U.N. security council. It will move forward with or without U.S.A. approval. That is the purpose of the United Nations.