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Back to my "triggered" thesis. Floyd was handcuffed, unarmed, and pretty much no threat to anyone other than himself. Why not roll him on his back and let him thrash until he wore himself out? Why not roll him on his back and taze him if he gets up threatening? The point is there were many other options for control other than suffocation. I suspect Chauvin got pissed and lost control when he was legally obligated by his job to keep cool (yes, I think a higher standard should apply to professionally trained servants of the citizenry). Chauvin's case is severely weakened because he and other officers didn't initiate aid once things went to hell.
Guilty if premeditated murder (1st degree), No. Guilty of murder to some lessor degree, Yes. Pre-existing conditions, drug use, etc. are irrelevant. Like saying the guy that shot Grandma should go free because she'd be dead in a year or so anyway.
My dog in this race is that should I get pulled over a bit drunk and get mouthy, uncooperative, and maybe resist arrest somewhat, could I suffer the same fate?
Back to my "triggered" thesis. Floyd was handcuffed, unarmed, and pretty much no threat to anyone other than himself. Why not roll him on his back and let him thrash until he wore himself out? Why not roll him on his back and taze him if he gets up threatening? The point is there were many other options for control other than suffocation. I suspect Chauvin got pissed and lost control when he was legally obligated by his job to keep cool (yes, I think a higher standard should apply to professionally trained servants of the citizenry). Chauvin's case is severely weakened because he and other officers didn't initiate aid once things went to hell.
Guilty if premeditated murder (1st degree), No. Guilty of murder to some lessor degree, Yes. Pre-existing conditions, drug use, etc. are irrelevant. Like saying the guy that shot Grandma should go free because she'd be dead in a year or so anyway.
My dog in this race is that should I get pulled over a bit drunk and get mouthy, uncooperative, and maybe resist arrest somewhat, could I suffer the same fate?
Money talks and bullshit walks. His family got that amount of a settlement for a simple reason. If these people can't understand what is obvious, it is on them. If these people believe that a city gives out $27M settlements because there is no malfeasants, that is their problem if they can't figure out the simple fact that they are wrong. It's not that complicated.
I thought settlements were based on future earnings, spousal and child support? Anybody think George Floyd was going to earn 27 million in his soon to be short life?
And any excuse that a civil trial might have cost the city more would be pure bullshit.
that civil trial/settlement isn't right. they should have waited until conclusion of the criminal court.
Benjamin Crump has pulled the same thing in several other cities. Why wait until the criminal trial is over and risk an unfavorable verdict by a jury? I'd wager that in some towns the "city fathers" are in on it.
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Back to my "triggered" thesis. Floyd was handcuffed, unarmed, and pretty much no threat to anyone other than himself. ...
I'd wager the cops in Atlanta who shot Rayshard Brooks thought they'd soon be in that position too.
Chris Rock: "I still haven't got my OJ check yet."
"Dont put yourself in that situation. End of story"
Based on bravado on this board by you and many others, myself included, I don't think it out of the realm of possibility that one of us could be in a similar situation, even worse if packing. Sorry, Chauvin et al lost control and over reacted. We'd and he'd all be better off if they'd let him walk and arrest him the next day. For those that thought he only had two hours left to live, case solved, moot point. My viewpoint would be different if Floyd was detained for committing an obviously true violent crime, but that was not the case as far as I can tell.
Back to my "triggered" thesis. Floyd was handcuffed, unarmed, and pretty much no threat to anyone other than himself. Why not roll him on his back and let him thrash until he wore himself out? Why not roll him on his back and taze him if he gets up threatening? The point is there were many other options for control other than suffocation. I suspect Chauvin got pissed and lost control when he was legally obligated by his job to keep cool (yes, I think a higher standard should apply to professionally trained servants of the citizenry). Chauvin's case is severely weakened because he and other officers didn't initiate aid once things went to hell.
Guilty if premeditated murder (1st degree), No. Guilty of murder to some lessor degree, Yes. Pre-existing conditions, drug use, etc. are irrelevant. Like saying the guy that shot Grandma should go free because she'd be dead in a year or so anyway.
My dog in this race is that should I get pulled over a bit drunk and get mouthy, uncooperative, and maybe resist arrest somewhat, could I suffer the same fate?
Your analogy is a little faulty. Add that you have a criminal record, an alcoholic and blew a 3.5 on a breathalyzer. And you’re bigger than most NFL linebackers. You would be getting close to apples to apples analogy. I don’t know what caused his death. But if he had lethal amounts of illegal substances in his body, that is certainly relevant.
Did they know he had a record, and was it violent?
Did he blow breathalyzer on scence..honestly, I don't know, just a question. Even so, was he a violent threat?
So, an alcoholic or druggie or large guy automatically gets a choke hold, just because?
Sorry, but you're making excuses, not giving justification.
Did they know he had a record, and was it violent?
Did he blow breathalyzer on scence..honestly, I don't know, just a question. Even so, was he a violent threat?
So, an alcoholic or druggie or large guy automatically gets a choke hold, just because?
Sorry, but you're making excuses, not giving justification.
I’m not making excuses, I just said your analogy wasn’t close to what happened here. Floyd did have a record, he was an addict, he was a big man. He was resisting arrest and acting erratically. Also, the medical examiner who examined Floyd said the substances found in his blood stream could cause hypoxia. I have no idea how this case will turn out. A juror would have to have huge balls not to find Chauvin guilty on all charges. But there’s compelling evidence on the Defenses side. That’s all I’m sayin. https://saltycrackermerch.com/camera...ite-supremacy/
I thought settlements were based on future earnings, spousal and child support? Anybody think George Floyd was going to earn 27 million in his soon to be short life?
And any excuse that a civil trial might have cost the city more would be pure bullshit.
It's not about just future earnings, spousal and child support. The big money grab in these types of civil suits are pain and suffering. I doubt that guy would ever make more than $35K a year in his lifetime... just think about Rodney King. I don't think that guy even had a job and received almost $4M and he didn't even die (well, he is dead now but he didn't die then.)
Back to my "triggered" thesis. Floyd was handcuffed, unarmed, and pretty much no threat to anyone other than himself. Why not roll him on his back and let him thrash until he wore himself out? Why not roll him on his back and taze him if he gets up threatening? The point is there were many other options for control other than suffocation. I suspect Chauvin got pissed and lost control when he was legally obligated by his job to keep cool (yes, I think a higher standard should apply to professionally trained servants of the citizenry). Chauvin's case is severely weakened because he and other officers didn't initiate aid once things went to hell.
Guilty if premeditated murder (1st degree), No. Guilty of murder to some lessor degree, Yes. Pre-existing conditions, drug use, etc. are irrelevant. Like saying the guy that shot Grandma should go free because she'd be dead in a year or so anyway.
My dog in this race is that should I get pulled over a bit drunk and get mouthy, uncooperative, and maybe resist arrest somewhat, could I suffer the same fate?
have you watched the full video, from the start? this is it. watch it. shows a different picture to me. first there was nothing racist about it a white person in the same state, remember Floyd was high on Fen a drug known to cause panic attacks and psychosis and erratic heartbeat. perfect cocktail for a freak out.
what's interesting is Chauvin isn't even involved at first, he came as backup. Chauvin certainly used excessive force beyond any reason to, as many have pointed out he could have let up on Floyd very early in the total 9 minutes. i'd call it negligent homicide but not murder. i don't think Chauvin expected Floyd to die or intended for him to die.
Floyd himself appeared so messed up he couldn't leave the "scene" of a minor issue, this passing a fake $20. there were two other people with Floyd a man and woman. but Floyd gets in the drivers seat and basically passes out and he was big dude 6'7" so try moving a guy that size passed out.
if one of them drove Floyd away who knows if he'd od shorty later? or the next week? people like that are a risk due to their habits.
Did they know he had a record, and was it violent?
Did he blow breathalyzer on scence..honestly, I don't know, just a question. Even so, was he a violent threat?
So, an alcoholic or druggie or large guy automatically gets a choke hold, just because?
Sorry, but you're making excuses, not giving justification.
Chauvin didn't use a "Choke Hold" per se, simply because his hands were never involved in obstructing Floyd's airway which is typically how a choke hold is applied. Pressure applied with the knee on the back or side of the neck although uncomfortable and even painful is not considered a choke maneuver unless the subject is on his back and a knee is applied directly to the throat obstructing the airway. If Chauvin wanted to kill Floyd putting Floyd on his back and kneeling on Floyd's throat would have indicated direct intent to take Floyd's life that would have taken approximately four minutes instead of the nine minutes. It appears that Floyd could have easily died without even being in police custody. Floyd's toxicology report indicates he had CDS in his system at rather significant amounts, that's not good.
Chauvin didn't use a "Choke Hold" per se, simply because his hands were never involved in obstructing Floyd's airway which is typically how a choke hold is applied. Pressure applied with the knee on the back or side of the neck although uncomfortable and even painful is not considered a choke maneuver unless the subject is on his back and a knee is applied directly to the throat obstructing the airway. If Chauvin wanted to kill Floyd putting Floyd on his back and kneeling on Floyd's throat would have indicated direct intent to take Floyd's life that would have taken approximately four minutes instead of the nine minutes. It appears that Floyd could have easily died without even being in police custody. Floyd's toxicology report indicates he had CDS in his system at rather significant amounts, that's not good.
