Why are you all so angry?

[Ssjdawg]

It was a couple instances that I rtm’d on eccie specifically. It’s been a year or two so I can’t remember who it was. The lady wasn’t anyone I had really noticed before also.

Originally Posted by Bald Bryan

I haven't seen anything on eccie that I would categorize as an outing, no. And hell yeah I'd report it if I saw it. The example I'm speaking of was edited shortly before I was verified and able to see it unfold in real time myself. But 4 days and a few pages worth of comments, not exactly "swift" action there.

As far as the comment/implication made by "ssjdawg", I'm not aware of what specifically he is referencing but his comment definitely triggered my memory of the example I am speaking to. Could be a case of ssjdawg mixing what he's seen on different sites, he could be totally pulling things out of the blue or maybe there's something I/we've missed. I can only speak to what I've seen personally..

[Wile E Coyote]

Originally Posted by biomed1

The Eccie Staff expends a large number of hours dealing with the issues that occur here on a daily basis.

Additionally, Eccie IS NOT the Hobby Police.

The transgressions or Violations of Eccie's Guidelines; by an Eccie Member, on another site should be reported to the Staff of the other site and resolved there.

Eccie can only have a direct impact on issues that occur within the confines of their own domain.

Should you wish to act upon your wish, I'm sure that you could find enough investors or have enough of your own Capital to develop and bring to life a Web Site to meet your desire.

Eccie is not the vehicle to fulfill your wish.

Of course the Eccie staff are not the hobby police. I thought outing was outing no matter where it happens, on this site or off it, per forum guideline #5 of this site. And if that person doing the outing is also proven to be a member of this site, he/she will be banned on this site for outing. The OP even admitted outing guys too. Please let me know if I am reading it wrong.

[pmdelites]

Originally Posted by biomed1

The Eccie Staff expends a large number of hours dealing with the issues that occur here on a daily basis.

Additionally, Eccie IS NOT the Hobby Police.

The transgressions or Violations of Eccie's Guidelines; by an Eccie Member, on another site should be reported to the Staff of the other site and resolved there.

Eccie can only have a direct impact on issues that occur within the confines of their own domain.

Should you wish to act upon your wish, I'm sure that you could find enough investors or have enough of your own Capital to develop and bring to life a Web Site to meet your desire.

Eccie is not the vehicle to fulfill your wish.

i agree, eccie is not the be-all-end-all,
but the forum guidelines thread does have this (emphasis mine).
how does that jibe with your statement that i bolded above??

"#5 - Membership here is entirely anonymous and for the privacy of our members it will remain that way. That means any effort or attempt to connect a person's real world information to their username on this board or elsewhere will be dealt with swiftly and harshly. This includes real first or last names, employment, medical info, addresses past or present, images, criminal or driving record, etc. We expect everyone who participates here to respect and go to great lengths to protect the anonymity and privacy of one another. Reckless disregard or accidental outing will also be taken very seriously, as will posts deemed by staff to be a 'threat of outing'. In other words, posts which simply imply knowledge of personal details beyond one's public fictional persona or what has been revealed in writing on this board will be dealt with using the same strong measures as actual outing of one's personal information."

[TinMan]

I’ll be interested in reading how staff responds to this question, but here is how I interpret it:

If you find a violation of #5 on another site, your best recourse is to deal with it there. That’s because the staff here may be unable to perform all the appropriate due diligence for a variety of reasons. For example, the male staff here can’t properly research a claim that originates in OH2’s powder room.

The value in having the language in #5 that says bad actors on other sites aren’t immune from action here for what they do “over there”, is that it says cover isn’t going to be provided just because the activity occurs elsewhere. If a guy posts a mugshot in the comments of a review on OH2, and the staff there fails to act on a timely basis #5 gives the staff here leeway to take action against the offender.

It’s a nice tool to have, but when trying to jibe “we aren’t the hobby police” with “you’re not immune to sanction if you commit your bad acts elsewhere”, the former necessarily rules over the latter since the staff doesn’t have the resources to properly validate every guideline violation claim on the internet.

[Wile E Coyote]

Here is a good example of off the board outing:

Let's say you have go to a strip club where you happen to notice a guy who is also a member of Eccie from him logged in on his phone or whatever and find out by his reviews and intel on the club, has been going to this club for a while. Once you find what his nickname is, maybe by letting him know you are a member of Eccie as well and you tell each other what you nickname is. Once you get that info, because of the posts he makes, opinions he has, reviews he does, whatever the rationale is, you do not really care for the guy much due to his persona on the board and to try to get him kicked from the club, you let management know who he is and that he is a reviewer of the dancers when he gets extras. Or maybe you let every dancer who will listen who he is to get those ladies to not go up to him lest they be reviewed on a whore board. Then later, you go and brag about what you did in a thread on this site.

Is that not considered outing? And if the Eccie staff interpretation of the guideline considers it an outing of a member of this board, will they do anything about it or do they just say they can't or won't because it is an off the board type of outing saying that the club should deal with it and "we are not the hobby police"?

[TinMan]

Outing is when folks can piece together information publicly shared on this board by someone other than the subject himself/herself and determine the real world identity of that individual. What you described is not outing and should in no way be the responsibility of the board staff to investigate and punish. That would be the very definition of “hobby police”.

[Bald Bryan]

Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

Is that not considered outing?

Doesn't really sound like it, no. Maybe some variables (rw names, personal information, employment/criminal records, details of family, license plate numbers, etc) that club management might consider looking into (if such personal information was shared, and depending on who it was shared to) but most likely not. Keep in mind though that the two persons involved in this example engaged each other in a public setting and disclosed who they were themselves, so complaining to club management might (probably) generate some embarrassing laughs and finger pointing. Personally, I would recommend that both of the hobbyists in the "example" (for lack of a better term) here simply delete their Eccie accounts all together and not look back. But at the end of the day, members here should keep on the forefront the fact that Eccie is not the hobby police.

[Wile E Coyote]

I see. So according to you, when a member decides to out another member for spite by pointing out and telling others in the public RW who a member of this board is, and allowing others to be able to have the info to connect RW info with the persona online as a member here, there is nothing wrong with that? Then bragging how they believe they got a guy kicked from a club and dancers will not see him because now they know he is a reviewer on a review board. None of that is really outing?

I wonder what others, especially Eccie staff, think about that.

Again, in post #1 of this thread, the OP of it admitted outing guys (pics, real names, plate #s, ect., but says only the ones she deemed bad hobbyists in her opinion), even tho the outing occurred in a private area not accessible to all, does that not count for anything, does the person being outed have to report it for it to matter or is it just tough shit because the actual outing did not occur on this site? Since it has been 6 months since she posted it and no ban happened, I guess the answer is the latter.

[TinMan]

If the guy was reasonably smart, he wouldn’t admit to being the handle the accuser claims him to be. It stays within the realm of hearsay until he admits it. One could argue he self-outted when he admitted who he was.

It’s the inability of staff to discern facts like those from off board activities that is the reason they shouldn’t be asked to adjudicate them. Unless the guy who committed the act goes so far as to post an admission that he has been spreading the other fellow’s RW information, there is little that can or should be done by eccie staff.

[pmdelites]

i suggest keeping the issues separate.

if eccieUserA "euA" meets some guy at a strip club, exchanging eccie handles (the other guy is eccieUserB "euB"), then euA complains to strip club mgmt that euB i's a "jackass no-goodnik eccie reviewer", then brags on ecciecthat he got euB booted from the club ...
that, in my hobby board opinion, is NOT outing here on eccie, esp if euA didnt pist anything that would link info to euB's real world identity.

that, in my hobby board opinion, is elementary-school bullshit.
is there anything wrong with that? legally? no. eccie rules? no. respectfully? yes.

there wrong and there's bullshit.
they're not always the same.
again, in my hobby board & real world opinion ...

[biomed1]

Post # 152

Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

Of course the Eccie staff are not the hobby police. I thought outing was outing no matter where it happens, on this site or off it, per forum guideline #5 of this site. And if that person doing the outing is also proven to be a member of this site, he/she will be banned on this site for outing. The OP even admitted outing guys too. Please let me know if I am reading it wrong.

Post # 155

Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

Here is a good example of off the board outing:

Let's say you have go to a strip club where you happen to notice a guy who is also a member of Eccie from him logged in on his phone or whatever and find out by his reviews and intel on the club, has been going to this club for a while. Once you find what his nickname is, maybe by letting him know you are a member of Eccie as well and you tell each other what you nickname is. Once you get that info, because of the posts he makes, opinions he has, reviews he does, whatever the rationale is, you do not really care for the guy much due to his persona on the board and to try to get him kicked from the club, you let management know who he is and that he is a reviewer of the dancers when he gets extras. Or maybe you let every dancer who will listen who he is to get those ladies to not go up to him lest they be reviewed on a whore board. Then later, you go and brag about what you did in a thread on this site.

Is that not considered outing? And if the Eccie staff interpretation of the guideline considers it an outing of a member of this board, will they do anything about it or do they just say they can't or won't because it is an off the board type of outing saying that the club should deal with it and "we are not the hobby police"?

Post # 158

Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

I see. So according to you, when a member decides to out another member for spite by pointing out and telling others in the public RW who a member of this board is, and allowing others to be able to have the info to connect RW info with the persona online as a member here, there is nothing wrong with that? Then bragging how they believe they got a guy kicked from a club and dancers will not see him because now they know he is a reviewer on a review board. None of that is really outing?

I wonder what others, especially Eccie staff, think about that.

Again, in post #1 of this thread, the OP of it admitted outing guys (pics, real names, plate #s, ect., but says only the ones she deemed bad hobbyists in her opinion), even tho the outing occurred in a private area not accessible to all, does that not count for anything, does the person being outed have to report it for it to matter or is it just tough shit because the actual outing did not occur on this site? Since it has been 6 months since she posted it and no ban happened, I guess the answer is the latter.

While I am sure that you found your musings in Posts # 152, 155 & 158 to be cathartic.

In Post # 152, Eccie can only have a direct impact on issues that occur within the confines of their own domain.

In Post # 155 - The actions/incidents happened in the Real World and not on Eccie.

Additionally, the 2 "members" confirmed their Eccie membership to each other of their own free will.

As noted by others, the supposed actions cannot be proven or substantiated from the narrative you have provided.

As noted previously, Eccie can only have a direct impact on issues that occur within the confines of their own domain.

It should be obvious that a Strip Club is not a Escort Review Site.

In Post # 158, As to your expressed opinion of Post # 1, and the author.

In the post the author states that people are upset about OH2.

Not once in her post did she mention taking any of the listed actions on Eccie.

As such; there is not, and has not been a violation of the Eccie Guidelines.

Again, Eccie can only have a direct impact on issues that occur within the confines of their own domain.

I respectfully suggest that should wish to engage in a debate/discussion of hypotheticals.

You might find it more agreeable to participate in a Debating Society or join the local Toastmasters, as Eccie is not the place for such debates or discussions..

Once again I would suggest that Eccie is not the vehicle for you to obtain gratification/satisfaction.

[Wile E Coyote]

As long as when you want to out someone, you can do so anywhere but the Eccie website, and can even admit/brag on Eccie that they did so elsewhere as long as none of the actions of outing were done on Eccie with no repercussions from Eccie staff, gotcha.

Good info to know and bookmarked, thanks!

[Tsmokies]

Holy smokes. Eleven pages of angry people. Wtf and why are you angry people on here that shut down all the options for fun. Are you all banned and angry at the other site? Pay to play is supposed to be a fun thing. Of course it comes with risks. Butt Holy smokes eleven pages of people not having fun. Why are....nevermind just stay 😠 angry

[pmdelites]

i guess you still believe that "hearing that a person say that they are someEccieUser and then telling the managers of a strip club that jackass/asshole someEccieUser is in the crowd" is outing.

i don't. mainly cos it reads like that the person that apparently told on someEccieUser didnt apparently "out" them, just told mgrs "someEccieUser is in the crowd".
now if he apparently told the mgrs that "joePatron (real world name) is someEccieUser and is in the crowd", that would be outing.


btw, why does it matter to you what someEccieUserA apparently told someone else about someEccieUserB? are you A or B?

[pmdelites]

Originally Posted by Tsmokies

... Butt Holy smokes ...

it that what high priests emit when smoking wacky tabacky?? :^}

Originally Posted by Tsmokies

... eleven pages of people not having fun. Why are....nevermind just stay 😠 angry

actually, it's better if they stay angry at each other.
that'll leave more opportunities for us pleased folks to get some delites w/out having to wait in line for those angry folk :^}