High end market

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by whitechocolate

Nina, it sounds like at least part of the high end market is a sham with look a like models and celebrities and other Provider wannabes who may not give any decent service at all. Kind of like "smoke and mirrors" for the wealthy.

not necessarily. the look alikes are what clients want. Angelina Jolie lookalikes get a lot more requests than others, so of course its not the women`s fault if the clients demand that? :-)))...Its not anyone thinks they ARE angelina jolie :-).... and some are real good. So you never know. The ones i heard of and know doing that on the side who are celebrities of some sort, are good. But they charge 10 000 and up. Some are also prudish housewive women, but also some clientele like these kind of women....its not a sham in the sense that cleints don`t know what they get themselves into in the first place.

[ClairJordan]

Originally Posted by vkmaster

Damm, I don't mind spending for high quality...

But I'm more into leasing rather than buying!

Al Goldstein says you don't pay a woman for sex, you pay her to leave!!

I think the women who charge super-duper amounts are those who only see one or two people a month. I have met at least one!! She's an attorney who put herself through school as an escort and she loves seeing her special guys occassionaly. All good, but her bills are already paid, ya know??!

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by ClairJordan

Al Goldstein says you don't pay a woman for sex, you pay her to leave!!

I think the women who charge super-duper amounts are those who only see one or two people a month. I have met at least one!! She's an attorney who put herself through school as an escort and she loves seeing her special guys occassionaly. All good, but her bills are already paid, ya know??!

true, and from the TV professionals i know that they have regular job, look extremely good (talk italy) but they just get more money like that.

and i agree that people don`t need to pay for sex. If you go in disco you will find some drunk woman that probably does a whole lot more than any escort ever will :-)) sexually. People pay for discreetion and for secrecy. And for an "imbalance" in a relationship (which means its one-sided in that the woman cannot make any demands when it comes to times of meetings, vacations etc.) so you pay basically to NOT enter a relationship, which you would have to do if you hook up with someone that you don`t pay. This common misconception that people pay for sex is mildly annoying.

[Ed Highlight]

Originally Posted by ninasastri

... This common misconception that people pay for sex is mildly annoying.

Good one Ms. Nina....While certainly a BIG part of the equation... sex (or anything else that may or may not transpire between two consenting adults) is only a part of the companionship transaction for me and certainly well worth a couple of extra coins to see that my safety and security needs are met along with the physical and intellectual attraction...I know I'm not alone here.

But then again, there is a market for streetwalkers and B&G "professionals" too...just not for me.

[whitechocolate]

I agree that paying for secrecy and privacy and a special ambiance or whatever is important. I am not against women charging whatever they want. At the end of the time with the client(male or female), the client needs to feel they enjoyed the "experience" and got their money's worth no matter what that experience was or how much the money. If they have the money to spend fine. In most cases though you can get what you want and need for a lot less.

[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by ClairJordan

Al Goldstein says you don't pay a woman for sex, you pay her to leave!!

Actually I think Mr. Al Goldstein had it all wrong. That's just something men say to make themselves feel better about the money for sex transaction ........whether they want to admit it or not.

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by whitechocolate

I agree that paying for secrecy and privacy and a special ambiance or whatever is important. I am not against women charging whatever they want. At the end of the time with the client(male or female), the client needs to feel they enjoyed the "experience" and got their money's worth no matter what that experience was or how much the money. If they have the money to spend fine. In most cases though you can get what you want and need for a lot less.

I agree. I am also paying my psychotherapist for a reason, or my masseuse. I don`t demand them to give me their time and all the effort for free. Its a service and we live in capitalism. Ideally - and with some friends i have this exchange market - we could also exchange "goods" but we don`t.

And i have to admit, i prefer paying escorts too. Its easier. Not so much troubles.

[Guest102513-1]

Some very interesting thoughts, from various point of views.

But let's face it, a lady can have a charming personality, security for both parties, bring an air of exclusivity and class....but if she's as ROUND as she is TALL or lacks the right physical genes there isn't going to be much of a market for her, in terms of the hobby. (Kind of the equivalent of the guy, who LOSES all his $$$$'s thru a divorce or market crash, is going to find out that "lovely friendship" he had with his favorite provider is going to change big time.)

Certainly at the high end, companionship, intelligence and all those other intangibles are great...but let's face it, with very very few exceptions, @ $$$$/hour if there is not a "I'm going to rock ur world sexually" factor, that lady will have a very high exclusivity factor....'cause her phone won't be ringing much.

And abosultely, no disrespect intended, but anyone who thinks Al Goldstein's "you pay her to leave"...at any $$$ rate, is not correct, then they are fooling him or herself.

That's not to say that a real, honest, professional and friendly ongoing relationship can not only exist...but even in those unsual cases, truly become something special.

But there is the beginning of a session, and then there is the end of the session...where, as long as everyone has their head screwed on right...the two parties return to the realities of their normal life.

[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by vkmaster

And abosultely, no disrespect intended, but anyone who thinks Al Goldstein's "you pay her to leave"...at any $$$ rate, is not correct, then they are fooling him or herself.

In my two years, I've been proposed to twice by hobbyists. Do you really think those men felt they were paying me to leave? Whether anyone wants to believe it or not, most of these men blur the lines! They see you a few times, become your regular and start to feel you owe them more and more attention. They forget that they're paying an escort to fuck their brains out and give them a little bit of attention or whatever else. They forget that it is a temporary situation. One girl posted here on ECCIE that she did not like regulars. I was shocked .. who says that? but then she said "They always want to pry into my personal life" and that is VERY true. I find that a lot of these men are nosy and they almost want to become a part of our lives. Maybe you are not that type of client but the majority of the man I have encountered are like that. Clearly, Al Goldstein was not. He sounds like he would be the perfect client. Now if anyone believes that this does not happen over 80% of the time, they are only fooling themselves. There goes that paying her to leave nonsense.

This does not apply to those gentlemen that I have became good friends with (You know the ones I have given access to my personal life). Every minute I spend with them is a treat!

[Guest053011]

Originally Posted by vkmaster

Some very interesting thoughts, from various point of views.

But let's face it, a lady can have a charming personality, security for both parties, bring an air of exclusivity and class....but if she's as ROUND as she is TALL or lacks the right physical genes there isn't going to be much of a market for her, in terms of the hobby.

It's false to assume all men have the same idea of beauty, or that beauty and sexual oomph are linked. There is no small number of successful multihour high priced ladies that are not model gorgeous and make a very good living. Including women that can classify as BBW.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Most won't admit to having standards of beauty that contradict mainstream pop culture because they get shouted down by the loud and insecure. There are a lot of men that disturbed by a model physique because they prefer women that are closer to normal weight/height ratios.

It's not for us decide what is worth a high ticket. If the people booking know what they're getting and walk away happy, there's nothing worth debating.

[Guest102513-1]

NAOMI4U...notice my post stated..."if everyone has their head screwed on right".

Guys who confused a wonderful, intense, friendly time together, as anything other than a wonderful, intense, friendly time together (and perhaps when could we schedule to do this again, LOL) are living in Disneyland. I've know a lot of both guys and gals in the hobby over the last 15 years. And sure, I've heard the occasional horror story where either the guy OR the LADY forgets the reality of this fun hobby of ours.

But I would seriously question your 80% figure...and say that these type of situations are far from being the normal case. And not only sad, but potentially dangerous.

Now I'm not saying, that it not what you have experience, as of course, I would have no direct knowledge. I can only come to my conclusion based upon my contacts and discussion with others I've known over the many years I have enjoyed the hobby.

And....with tongue firmly placed in my cheek...if 80% has been your rate, I got to get together with you, to experience your special magic, lol.

[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by vkmaster

Now I'm not saying, that it not what you have experience, as of course, I would have no direct knowledge. I can only come to my conclusion based upon my contacts and discussion with others I've known over the many years I have enjoyed the hobby.

You are right. I read too fast and missed that part. My apologies.
However, think about it.

I have found that a lot of men want to play macho man with their friends. Of course they won't admit it that they proposed to a "hooker", "escort".. whatever. Do you really believe that your man friends tell you everything? Actually they tell US more than they tell you. I remember the CEO that wore his wife's underwear to work. Do you really think that that man will tell his friends that he does that? If you do then you're kidding yourself love. They are more open with us because they know we will not pass judgement on them. In fact, we are paid not to do so.

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[Guest083011]

Originally Posted by Lauren Summerhill

There is no small number of successful multihour high priced ladies that are not model gorgeous and make a very good living. Including women that can classify as BBW.

If I may disagree, but there are some BBWs who are indeed "model gorgeous." Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by SR Only

If I may disagree, but there are some BBWs who are indeed "model gorgeous." Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I have friends that are model gorgeous BBWs.

[Guest102513-1]

Hey Lauren...without question, beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder. And there is no template to what physically makes a provider have "the look".

I personally find ladies who tend to be small breasted or even flat chested to be the ones who ring my bell. Whereas a "tit guy" looks for someone with the full larger breasts, and wouldn't even consider someone I would.

And yes, I agree, over the years some of my most memorable sexual encounters were with ladies who based on their physical appearance would not even draw a crowd at a bar.

I guess the point that I was trying to make, is this talk about a guy spending $XXXX per hour is strongly based on things beyond the physical nature of the encounter.

I don't disagree with that, up to a certain point. But a HDH provider can't be just a looker, but someone who makes people notice her, when she walks into a room. Otherwise, in my humble opinion, she is not going to find a high demand, in the upper end of the market. Now that physical appearance is not a "one size fits all" type of look...but in her own way, she's got to be the type that dropped jaws.