Ownership of our pics posted on eccie

[Guest092815]

Is is allowable in any form, for a hobbyist to "capture" a pic posted by a provider in a post and then use it for his own avatar?

On a similar note...I have already seen where the folks from texescorts (Or whatever they call themselves) have stolen our pics and info from our showcases (and from p411), without any trouble at all and used the ladies pics to build profiles on their site. Clearly, this is a copyright issue, but I am not sure how to handle it, since they are outside the U.S.

I guess I am surprised that stealing ladies photos is so easily done.

And, I ask myself, why would a hobbyist steal a gal's pic for his own avatar? Is this allowable in any way?

Thanks in advance for clarification.
Sincerely,
Crystal

[GneissGuy]

From a technical standpoint, if someone can see your picture on a web site, they can probably grab a copy of it with very little trouble. There are numerous tools that are supposed to protect your pictures on web sites, but in general, it's still really easy to capture the picture. They won't stop the people who are going to do something wrong with your pictures.

As far as copyright, copyright law is there to protect rich people and corporations.

Tell the P411 people about the theft of pictures from their web site.

Someone on the staff will have to answer the question about ECCIE board policy, but I'll bet they'll help you with the avatar issue. You might want to just ask the person to remove your pic from his avatar. He probably had no idea you would object.

[Spacemtn]

I took this question up the ladder as there is not a "specific" rule against this. The response from Admin was as follows: It is common courtesy to not use someone's photo as an avatar if they object.

I would suggest that before you use someone's photo as an avatar, ask first. If they say OK then by all means use it.

Spacemtn
Your Friendly Neighborhood Moderator

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Spacemtn

I took this question up the ladder as there is not a "specific" rule against this. The response from Admin was as follows: It is common courtesy to not use someone's photo as an avatar if they object.

I would suggest that before you use someone's photo as an avatar, ask first. If they say OK then by all means use it.

Spacemtn
Your Friendly Neighborhood Moderator

I would like to get a little greater clarification on the issue.

Ok.. I understand the "Common Courtesy" aspect of the equation.

But if someone choose to NOT be courteous, IS IT A VIOLATION OF A RULE TO RE-USE A PICTURE FOUND IN A PUBLIC FORUM ON ECCIE AS AN AVATAR?

I ask because at one time I seem to remember a discussion where as Members, we give ownership of material we post here on ECCIE TO ECCIE... That it is a cost having posting privileges here.

or maybe it was another site....

A lot of guys use a lot of pics of ATFs, or gals they've banged and change them periodically...

I recently posted a picture as my Avatar of an absolutely stunning early 20s redhead as an example of exactly what I am looking for in a stripper...

When the picture was originally posted it had not copyrighted information attached to it.... It became an issue after the fact.... So maybe we can get one of the owners to weigh in on the issue....

[Ivory]

Originally Posted by Whispers

Ok.. I understand the "Common Courtesy" aspect of the equation. But if someone choose to NOT be courteous, IS IT A VIOLATION OF A RULE TO RE-USE A PICTURE FOUND IN A PUBLIC FORUM ON ECCIE AS AN AVATAR?

If you are using the avatar as a means to taunt someone, then it seems to be a violation of the rules regarding "Cyber Stalking". If you are using the avatar and the copyright holder, who also happens to be a member of ECCIE, has asked politely for you not to use it, then is seems to be in violation of the rules regarding "Disrespect to Others".

Originally Posted by Whispers

I recently posted a picture as my Avatar of an absolutely stunning early 20s redhead as an example of exactly what I am looking for in a stripper... When the picture was originally posted it had not copyrighted information attached to it.... It became an issue after the fact.... So maybe we can get one of the owners to weigh in on the issue....

The problem is, that you do not have the original slide, negative, or digital original…which is what you need to prove your own copyright, especially when the picture is not of your self and not taken by you. Anyone who owns the copyright to a photo can ask you not to use the photo. If you persist, then a cease an desist letter sent from a lawyer is usually the next step, and since you are an anonymous poster on a forum, then the owners of the web site would most likely receive the cease and desist letter asking them to remove the avatar. I am sure that the owners of this web site would agree, that letting you keep using a copyrighted photo that you had been asked politely asked by another member to stop using, would just be more of a problem than it is worth, not too mention that it could be viewed as a form "cyber stalking", especially If there is hostility being exhibited towards the other, and is against the rules

[Guest110911]

'stalking'??? you two go back and forth like an old married couple
'taunt' you??? its a nice pic... you could see it as advertisment for you.

[guest040711-1]

Originally Posted by Crystalkitty

Is is allowable in any form, for a hobbyist to "capture" a pic posted by a provider in a post and then use it for his own avatar?

On a similar note...I have already seen where the folks from texescorts (Or whatever they call themselves) have stolen our pics and info from our showcases (and from p411), without any trouble at all and used the ladies pics to build profiles on their site. Clearly, this is a copyright issue, but I am not sure how to handle it, since they are outside the U.S.

I guess I am surprised that stealing ladies photos is so easily done.

And, I ask myself, why would a hobbyist steal a gal's pic for his own avatar? Is this allowable in any way?

Thanks in advance for clarification.
Sincerely,
Crystal

The issue about stealing pictures has been addressed and fixed, you can no longer right click on a picture to copy it.

Technically speaking any thing posted by any member on ECCIE becomes the property of ECCIE and it is then our judgement as to what happens afterward.

There is however a golden rule that we expressly desire all members adhere too, those that don't are typically the ones that get crossways with staff.

[Ivory]

Originally Posted by bubbaJay

'stalking'???

Actually I said "cyber stalking". The following statements were made in the stripper forum:

"I promise ya one thing darlin.... The next time the bunch of us are in a club your in..... if your continuing this kind of rant.. with all the lies and bullshit and twists and turns and spin........ I'm calling a manager over and letting him know we can't stick around with you in the place and he can decide if he wants our tabs or you working the room…."

Note that I will supposedly not suffer the wrath of these threats if I don't "continue this kind of rant"...so in other words, if I continue to post here on ECCIE he has threatened me with real world consequences. Not just bad reviews here in the forum since he is always starting threads in the stripper forum just to bash me and giving me bad reviews without getting dances, but now he is threatening to take his actions outside of the forum and out into the real world....not that the mere presence of him being in a public place as me is wrong, but his promise to make things difficult for me just for posting here IS wrong. You don't see me threatening him with real world consequences of me going to his place of work to bad mouth him just because of his actions on this forum, do you? Of course not. Also note that these threats to get me to stop posting have been going on for years through multiple channels.

Then he goes on to make new threats:

"Ohh…. BTW.... A group of us will be in to see you at the strip soon.... Yeah.. The curiosity has got to the group..... Yes they talked me into it as well...... Ought to be a fun show!........ I've been told a couple intend to "make it rain" for ya.....I guess that will be a day CoinStar gets a little extra business!"

As you can see, now he is threatening that his "group" will throw coins at me on the stage. His "group" that states quite frequently that they do not go to the Landing Strip. For the record, throwing coins at dancers is not cool and the management of clubs simply do not accept this kind of behavior and will throw people out of the club for doing such childish things like that because coins on a stage are dangerous for girls in heels…furthermore, it can be considered assault and can be a crime if the dancer slips from her heel sliding on one of the coins thrown. Try throwing coins at people while walking down Sixth Street with your "group" at 2am on a Friday night and see what happens…I would wager that the chances of you getting arrested or at least into a fight would be quite good.

So "cyber stalking" is what I am sticking with…unless he and his group make good on their threats and real crimes are committed, then I will change it to stalking and more.

Originally Posted by bubbaJay

'taunt' you???

Yes taunting. First, I was taunted with using the photo again after I politely asked him to remove it and then after staff removed the avatar:

"Ohh…. I may return to the same avatar by the way ...... So far I have NOT been told that it is against the rules to use it just that it would be a courtesy to you NOT to.... If there is ANYONE here that deserves no courtesy darlin….."

Then, after I was told I deserved no courtesy, I was taunted when he created a new avatar and flaunted it with his hostility using my photos:

"How do you like the new Avatar?... I don't even have to make them.... Guys are sending me versions right and left!"

I'm not sure what your definition of taunting is BubbaJay, but these examples are taunting by the actual definition of the word.

I hope I answered your ??? 'questions' BubbaJay, but let's now move on to the much more pertinent topic at hand...

Originally Posted by SP Hunter

Technically speaking any thing posted by any member on ECCIE becomes the property of ECCIE and it is then our judgement as to what happens afterward.

Technically speaking, ECCIE owns the servers of which this bulletin board resides on, and anything posted on those servers becomes the property of ECCIE and it is their judgment as to what happens to those servers and data on them afterward, which literally means, that they can do whatever they want with the servers and data that is stored on them. They can throw them in the river, or they can eventually sell the servers and data to another company who would then in turn be allowed to use the posts made by members in another capacity or in any way they wish. We as members have no control in that regard. They have the data bits of your posts and that's that.

Photos are not uploaded to ECCIE's servers. They are merely hyperlinked.

ECCIE does NOT assume the copyright of any photo that is linked on ECCIE for what seems to me to be very obvious reasons, and also at the bottom of every single page it states that ECCIE "does not host nude photos, however some posts MAY include links which point to adult subject matter, nudity, etc.", so not only does ECCIE go to great lengths by telling you on every single page that they do not host photos, but how could ECCIE own a photo that is only a link to a photo stored on another server? It's impossible. The photo data bits are never on the ECCIE server, they are only giving a link to render on a users web browser that originate from another server than ECCIE. Sure, ECCIE owns the post in which the hyperlink is stored, but the actual photo is stored on another server which is not controlled by ECCIE.

If a person decides to change the location of their data that is linked from an ECCIE post, then the link on ECCIE would be broken, and there is not a thing that ECCIE can do about that other than to delete the broken hyperlink.

Furthermore, the very small and brief Terms of Service contract that you agree to when you sign up to ECCIE gives no such control over the intellectual property and copyrights to photos linked on ECCIE posts. The TOS contract at http://eccie.net/register.php states when you register on ECCIE that "all messages express the views of the author" and that "the owners of ECCIE Worldwide" will not "be held responsible for the content of any message." which pretty much distances themselves from owning the rights to any copyright or intellectual property.

So technical speaking, as taken from ECCIE's TOS agreement, "the owners of ECCIE Worldwide reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason."...which means you can't tell them what to do with your "posts"...and that makes perfect sense.

For anyone to even suggest that ECCIE could possibly own the copyright of a photo from a posted link on their servers is just plain wrong. If that were the case, then ECCIE would own anything that is linked from the posts on their servers which is simply a ridiculous notion, because ECCIE could eventually and theoretically own every photo and video on the internet, which is preposterous.

If the owners of ECCIE want to own the copyrights of provider photos (and they do not) then they would have to change their Terms of Service agreements to mirror that of something like the TOS for Facebook which is PAGES AND PAGES…iTunes TOS is 55 pages as opposed to ECCIE's 3 simple rules...and then they would have to allow members to store their photos on ECCIE servers as well…and even THEN, Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook goes to great lengths to assure Facebook members that Facebook does not OWN their photos they store on Facebook. Sure they give Facebook the right to use their photos (I have yet to hear of someone I know telling me Facebook used their photos in advertisements) but even Facebook does not own and decide what to do afterward with users copyrights when members post their personal photos to the Facebook servers.

ECCIE Worldwide simply does not, even according to their own Terms of Service Agreement and footer on every page (look at the very bottom of this page), own any rights over photos or videos or any data for that matter that is hyperlinked to other servers. Case closed.

Now…I could be wrong because I was only a pre-med student, and not pre-law…but what's the difference anyway?

[Guest110911]

i stopped reading your posts a long time ago...
i did however read the first and last senetence...and 'pre-med' is about as usefull as 'pre-cum'..not very helpfull in the long run.

[Ivory]

Originally Posted by bubbaJay

i stopped reading your posts a long time ago...

For a guy who stopped reading my posts "a long time ago", it only took you 16 minutes to respond to my post. Furthermore, I was answering the questions YOU asked me!

I can see by your comments here why you would question me in the first place about my claims of harassment. Did you have anything worthwhile to add to this thread or do you think you should stop responding with nothing to say to posts you supposedly stopped reading "a long time ago"? At least I added something to the thread that was very pertinent to the topic of ECCIE having copyrights to photos linked from posts on their servers, whereas you just added NOTHING to the topic in both posts of this thread, although your pre-med/pre-cum comment is a bit humorous, you did not mix it in with anything else of value other than your hostility which has no place here.

Originally Posted by bubbaJay

i did however read the first and last senetence...and 'pre-med' is about as usefull as 'pre-cum'..not very helpfull in the long run.

You're just stating the obvious because that's the joke. That was actually a reference to the classic comedy 'Animal House' silly. Remember when Otter stood up at the student council hearing, shouting "parliamentary procedure!"?

"Otter, what are you doing?"

"Don't worry I'm pre-law"

"I thought you were pre-med?"

"What's the difference?"

[Guest110911]

i stopped reading the ones that are long. you dont have enough to say that interests me. the proof that i no longer read them should be that i dont reply to them... as it is very obvious that i have no problem replying to call someone on their bullshit.... but this pic one was too funny. had to check it out.

dont flatter yourself into thinking cuz it took 16 mins to reply that i was actually reading. but thank you for tracking my minutes... im flattered

im too young for animal house btw.

[sixxbach]

This issue has already been answered by SP. There is no real need for the back and forth. This is an ask staff section.....

Thanks,

sixx