Socials - Why don't you come?

[Vyt]

Reincarnated, it sounds less like you want feedback on why people don't go to socials and more that you want more people to do so, and more to the point so you can.

I suggest you PM ck1942 and ask for the criteria to get on his invite list if you are anxious to attend one, as he mentioned one is coming up shortly. If you don't wish to attend his for whatever reason (or Whispers' SC gatherings) then perhaps you should consider setting up your own instead of complaining about how someone else hasn't done the work for you.

[Reincarnated]

Vyt,

I have been attending socials since 2002. Was just at the Halloween social in SA and have been most of them. I have heard some crazy things from people who tell me they would "never go to an orgie" and other stuff when the socials are just lunch or happy hour/dinner at a restaurant or as in the Halloween party at a private club where it is just like an office party.

[John_TX]

Originally Posted by Reincarnated

AGAIN, lets keep this on topic. I don't appreciate this thread being hijacked to discuss what happened in another city at a co-sponsored event at a time in Houston when it was very lax. It has nothing to do with Austin and the situation here is completely different. How many social events happened before this one bust? How many busts have there been since then? Far as I now this was the only one. I know of none in SA or Austin or Dallas. John_TX do you know of other busts?

sorry if you think it was a hijack. if you feel there is no link to Austin, let me use this train of logic:

What happened in Houston can easily happen in another city. many police departments have Vice units. what part about it occurring in Houston does not mean it cannot happen in another city? the laws are certainly the same. simply because the same people doing the same thing merely moved to a different city does not reduce the likelihood of police scrutiny. that means it is not a hijack, the logic can be applied to "why don't you attend a social in _________?" in this case it is Austin. do you really think moving the venue to Austin changes the chances of a bust?

i think you missed my post about probability (the red/black roulette). it matters not how many socials have occurred prior to the bust if you are trying to determine the odds of there being a bust at the next event. it is exactly 1 in 2 (one being a bust, two being no bust). ask any statistician and they will tell you it matters not.

how many busts have there been since then? i believe zero. again it is not dependent upon how many there have been or have not been in the past - the next social can be busted. that is the bottom line and that is why many choose not to attend. they simply can't take the chance.

if you think moving the venue to SA, Austin, Dallas, or some po-dunk Texas town reduces the chances of getting in trouble with the law, i certainly hope for attendee's sake you are right.

and if you look at the news link someone posted, 10 months later, the video is still on the internet: http://www.khou.com/news/Police-cras...-79373172.html

people who got arrested or simply flushed out were greeted by press cameras. the video clearly shows the faces of 4 men (i presume one is CK) and at least four women. listen to what the cops did. they infiltrated ASPD, got the trust of members, got invited, and made cases on people. granted all the cases (for the most part) got dropped, it still was probably a major inconvenience. also, if you listen to the Lieutenant interviewed, he said, "there are guys with prostitution warrants who don't even know it yet." not good.

so if that isn't a reason not to attend, i don't know what to say.

[Reincarnated]

But again John, you are not comparing Apples to Apples. Having lunch/dinner/happy hour at a restaurant or bar with members is not illegal. I don't know about the place in Houston but it looks like a private club with a lot more going on there than what goes on at all the events Ive ever been to. I think they were busted for being so brazen about it not long after the larger crack down in Houston earlier (I dont remember when it was, seems like yesterday but it has been several years) when Escape and all the great places got shut down.

So going back to the idea of my thread, besides the security discussed above, why else don't our members go? Time is bad, day is bad, don't want to meet the other male members, etc.

I would love to see the socials go from the 50 or so now to much larger. Its just fun.

[SecretE]

Why? Because of the potential legal ramifications. Plain and simple. Even posting here, I'm always wondering when LE is going to turn their attention away from CL and BP and towards hobby sites like this one.

[Reincarnated]

Legal ramifications? I show up at say County Line and sit down on the outside porch and have lunch with a bunch of guys a some ladies sprinkled in. How is that a legal problem in any way if the rules are followed and there is no way to know what group we are in or if we are in a group at all? No talking about services, no sex, no drugs, just a meet and greet. Ok, a friend sees you there. You say hi your with a friend at lunch. So what?

[Guest030911]

1st rule of politics - Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. The hijacks bear this out.

I have been to many socials. I do not attend the ones held in restaurants, etc. that are not closed off to the public. Too many people dress and behave inappropriately in a public place drawing attention, and you never know who from "real life" will be visiting that restaurant / bar and see you with a bunch of hookers and johns.

Having it at the same location repeatedly when you have political enemies out there will to break the cardinal rule and tell LE is a mistake, too.

[nuglet]

Originally Posted by Reincarnated

I don't know about the place in Houston but it looks like a private club (SO YOU'RE JUST MAKING, UNINFORMED GUESSES? INTERESTING!!!!)with a lot more going on there than what goes on at all the events Ive ever been to. I think (BUT YOU DON'T KNOW NOW DO YOU? they were busted for being so brazen about it not long after the larger crack down in Houston earlier (I dont remember when it was, seems like yesterday but it has been several years) when Escape and all the great places got shut down.

So going back to the idea of my thread, besides the security discussed above, why else don't our members go? Time is bad, day is bad, don't want to meet the other male members, etc. (YOU'VE BEEN TOLD OVER AND OVER AND OVER.. WHAT PART DID YOU NOT READ?!?!?!?)

I would love to see the socials go from the 50 or so now to much larger. Its just fun.

(SINCE YOU CLAIM NOT TO HAVE BEEN TO ONE SINCE 2002, WHAT DIFF?)

Well make up your mind. Earlier on THIS THREAD you stated you hadn't been to a social since 2002, then you state you were at the social that led to CK being banned from here.. Well, that was in 2009, SO WHICH WAS IT? 2002 or 2009. You came here and acted as CK's agent to scout the location.. Are you now denying that?
And FYI BEING a provider, or BEING a hobbiest, IS NOT AGAINST THE LAW, PRACTICING that occupation IS!!

[SecretE]

Originally Posted by Reincarnated

Legal ramifications? I show up at say County Line and sit down on the outside porch and have lunch with a bunch of guys a some ladies sprinkled in. How is that a legal problem in any way if the rules are followed and there is no way to know what group we are in or if we are in a group at all? No talking about services, no sex, no drugs, just a meet and greet. Ok, a friend sees you there. You say hi your with a friend at lunch. So what?

Apparently they found ways in Houston (see bust about 6 months ago at social in Houston IIRC).

[Reincarnated]

Look Nuglet, I never said I stopped going to socials. I have been since 2002, even the one at your place next to the DPS with the pool with no water in it. Cool place. And the other socials on the lake, different clubs in SA and Austin, and the boats.

Since I don't attend socials in Houston, I am just assuming that is what happened from the people I know in Houston. Since you didn't go either, you don't know anymore than I do probably, but then again, I don't care. And no Nuglet, only a couple people have commented about why they don't come besides security. I don't believe CK was never banned from here, whereever you think here is.

WTF? Me scouting for CK? No, Ive never done that. I have made suggestions of good places to the many people that have helped in the past.

SHUT UP NUGLET. As usual, you're not adding anything to this post. As I stated before, If you have proof of anything you say, post it, other wise shut up.

[Reincarnated]

SecretE, see a post earlier with a link to the TV news report on it. Much different event than anything done around here.

[sixxbach]

The incidents that happened in Houston, etc are old news! The topic of this thread is why don't people come to socials. Issues with how anyone runs their socials can go to another thread. Let's stay on topic...

sixx

[John_TX]

Originally Posted by Reincarnated

But again John, you are not comparing Apples to Apples. Having lunch/dinner/happy hour at a restaurant or bar with members is not illegal. I don't know about the place in Houston but it looks like a private club with a lot more going on there than what goes on at all the events Ive ever been to. I think they were busted for being so brazen about it not long after the larger crack down in Houston earlier (I dont remember when it was, seems like yesterday but it has been several years) when Escape and all the great places got shut down.

So going back to the idea of my thread, besides the security discussed above, why else don't our members go? Time is bad, day is bad, don't want to meet the other male members, etc.

I would love to see the socials go from the 50 or so now to much larger. Its just fun.

i most certainly am making an apples-to-apples comparison. escort/client social event, at a public place, with the same people hosting the same event, just in a different city. what don't you think is similar? CK himself said no illegal activities were taking place at the social.

having lunch/dinner/drinks is not in itself illegal. you're right. that doesn't mean the police aren't going to show up and detain people and demand ID. that doesn't mean the police aren't going to invite the media with a camera to take video of your face as they parade people out of there. many people who were caught on camera in the Houston Dec. 2009 news story weren't arrested, they were just kicked out of the social when it was shut down. that could be you or anyone else. so if you are ok having your face plastered on the 10 o'clock news with the words "hooker" or "prostitution" then more power to you. you seem to assume that since you are not currently at that given moment involved in criminal activity that the police will not bother you.

that place in Houston, Element Lounge (as seen in the news video link) appears now to be defunct. but it appeared to be a TABC licensed establishment and nightclub, so it was not a "private club," it was a public venue. granted it could have been rented that night for the exclusive use of CK's party, but it was nevertheless infiltrated.

Amazing John and his Escapes venues were all busted in January 2005. almost five years later, CK's party was busted (December 2009). 4 years and 10 months to be exact. there is no timeliness proximity.

look at the facts - they speak for themselves. don't distort what you believe to be true - look at the facts and they are very obvious that the odds of being busted are always there.

[sixxbach]

This thread has been closed per Op's request....

sixx