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Old 10-12-2010, 06:35 PM   #1
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While I was over at the Fiscal (not Financial) Times getting the word about the New Normal I noticed an interview with Ronald Reagan’s Budget Director David Stockman. He had some interesting things to say about how we got into this mess:
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Issues...al-Bottom.aspx

The Fiscal Times (TFT):* What should the president and Congress do about the*Bush tax cuts this year?**
David Stockman (DS):* The two parties are in a race to the fiscal bottom to see which one can bury our children and grandchildren deeper in debt. The Republicans were utterly untruthful when they recently pledged no tax increases for anyone, anytime, ever. The Democrats are just as bad — running their usual campaign of political terror on social security and other entitlements while loudly exempting all except the top 2 percent of taxpayers from paying more for the massively underfunded government they insist we need

The fact is, the Bush tax cuts were unaffordable when enacted a decade ago. Now, two unfinanced wars later, and after a massive Wall Street bailout and trillion-dollar stimulus spending spree, it is nothing less than a fiscal travesty to continue adding $300 billion per year to the national debt. This is especially true since these tax cuts go to the top 50 percent of households, which can get by, if need be, with the surfeit of consumption goods they accumulated during the bubble years. So Congress should allow the Bush tax cuts to expire for everyone. By doing nothing, the government would be committing its first act of fiscal truth-telling in decades.

TFT:* You spent many years as a public official. What do you consider your greatest contribution?
DS:* For a flickering moment I helped revive a vision of small government based on low taxes, the denial of weak fiscal claims rather than weak clients, and social progress through liberation of the nation’s entrepreneurial endowments and energies. But that vision has been subsequently crushed by 30 years of fiscal profligacy, warfare state adventurism and crony capitalist policies championed by the lobbies of K Street, the financiers of Wall Street and the farmers, homebuilders, energy producers and sick-care companies of Main Street. After the abomination of the Bush/Paulson bailout of the big banks, the state has no boundaries whatsoever. So fiscal policy is now just a fiscal food fight.
TFT:* Your assessment of the Obama's presidency at this point?*
DS:* Obama’s presidency is a profound disappointment. So far, he’s proven that when Republican’s start elective wars, Democrats can’t end them; when Republicans empty the Treasury, Democrats can’t replenish it; when Republicans put a middle-class destroying money printer at the head of the Fed, Democrats reappoint him; and when the Republicans unleash an orgy of dangerous speculation on Wall Street, Democrats pass a contentless, 2,300 page, enabling act which will do nothing to protect Main Street from another financial meltdown, even as it keeps K Street fully employed.
TFT:* What will happen to health care if the Republicans become the majority party?*
DS:* Health care accounts for 17 percent of GDP and is the dysfunctional heartland of crony capitalism. They only thing which will change if the GOP becomes the majority is that the RNC will collect more of the vigorishes.

I had to look up “vigorishes” -
vigorish - 2 dictionary results
vig·or·ish   [vig-er-ish]
–noun Slang .
1.a charge paid on a bet, as to a bookie.
2.interest paid to a moneylender, esp. a usurer.
Origin:
1910–15, Americanism ; *earlier viggresh, *perh. < an adaptation in Yiddish slang of Ukrainian výgrash *or Russ výigrysh *winnings, profit

It would appear that “payoffs” would fit as well. Notice that when he denounces 30 years of “fiscal profligacy” that goes back to the beginning of the Reagan Administration which he himself was a prominent part of. Feeling a bit of remorse it would appear. It is a pity that the scales never fall from these guys eyes until they are out of office. For what it is worth Mr. Stockman’s prescription for what to do about the Great Recession: cut spending & raise taxes immediately, are completely wrong, IMO, but he isn’t an economist.
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I would have thought that David Stockman would be smart enough to know that America did not get into the worst financial crisis since The Great Depression in the 20 month period preceding September 15, 2008. How could he have any expectation that we would be out it 20 months later?
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Curious how much revenue could be generated if we stopped allowing churchs tax exempt status, and had them pay tax like any other business.
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Last time I heard of him, he was disavowing and repudiating the very "Reganomics" he championed. I was always dubious of Regan's policy of lower taxes, higher deficit spending. Imagine my surprise when Clinton not only balanced the budget, but ran a surplus. He'll, we even quit selling a 30 year bond!

Now we are reaping the whirlwind of Stockman's (now disavowed) policy that was grossly exploited by those that ran the White House and both the Senate and Congress from 2000 to 2008.

Fuck, President Obama is not doing a bad job given the hand he was dealt.
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Curious how much revenue could be generated if we stopped allowing churchs tax exempt status, and had them pay tax like any other business.
Not sure. But in Texas if you just put the property of country clubs on the property tax rolls it adds something north of a billion dollars to taxable value. That may be too conservative, becausebthe hard number was 800 million in 1997.

I think the First Amendment, rightfully so, prohibits taxation of church real property. I'm fairly certain it doesn't protect not-for-profit, privately held country clubs.
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Old 10-12-2010, 11:11 PM   #6
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I am so sick of people whining about the bailouts of the big banks. I would have liked to see AIG fail just to punish the bastards, but does anyone remember what happened when Lehman failed?

I am dumbfounded how everyone forgot about that already. Imagine Lehman *PLUS* AIG, BofA, Citi, Wachovia, CountryWide and Washington Mutual ALL going down in about a 3 month period.

If you think things are bad now, imagine what that would be like. Throw in GM and Chrysler too. Since there wouldn't be any more car loans, Ford would have been toast too. And those Toyota, Honda, and Kia plants here in the US? Those would be idle as well.

The bailouts sucked, but I don't think there was an alternative.
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Old 10-13-2010, 08:45 AM   #7
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... when Clinton not only balanced the budget, but ran a surplus ...
For most of Clinton's term as president, the Republicans ran Congress.
Checks and balances. While Obama is in, we need a Republican Congress. If the Republicans regain control of the White House, maybe the Dems need to be in charge in Congress?
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Trade policy lies at the heart of this.

The reason why lenders were pressured into liberalizing their mortgage standards is because without it there would have been a decline in home ownership due to falling incomes of non-college graduates. The decline in blue collar incomes was a result of the export of higher-paying manufacturing jobs. At the same time two-income college-grad households were driving up property values because of the expensive mortgages they qualified for. This was a political reaction to paper over the losses the blue collar sector was having due to globalization.

The boom of the 1990s was a tech bubble, and what followed after was driven by construction demand, which is now gone.

Without these bubbles there isn't enough manufacturing left to sustain full employment.

The problem the pubic has with the bank bailouts is that the securities involved were fraudulant and their promoters have skated. The banks needed to be saved, but the promoters of these toxic instruments should have been prosecuted and seen some jail time.
Anyone who manages a community bank knows have heavy-handed the Feds are when it comes to their loan risks, yet these mega-zombie banks have been allowed to skate from clearly fraudulant securities schemes which have sent the world economy into a panic. The public is outraged by this corruption-based lack of accountablity.

The tax cuts Reagan won in his first months in office were reversed two years later when they failed to increase federal revenues. Despite all the Laffer-curve rhetoric of Stockman in 1980, he and others with Reagan acted pragmatically when ideology failed.

Stockman should be congratulated for his contributions and ability to learn from mistakes. It would be nice if all government spending could be reduced, but if that isn't going to happen the Bush tax cuts must go if that is our only choice.
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