CONDOMNATION BBFS

[Takeshi Miike]

Just to let you ladies know, feel free not to bbbj on me. Personally, I think anything we do as individual to reduce risks, reduces risks for all of us and vice versa. I also think that BBBJ CIM is pretty damn risky behavior.

[SecretE]

I'm really surprised no one has brought up full-term pregnancy and birth as their main reason to shy away from BBFS (it's certainly mine). Everyone doesn't believe in abortion, or birth control (or they inadvertently nullify the BC method by taking some other medication). It would be quite uncomfortable to explain to that child how he/she came to be in the world, unless there were some lies/withholding of the truth involved, never mind having to be connected to that provider/client for the next 18 years.

I can understand for a woman how much more of a risk it is to have unprotected sex. A lot more of their mucous membranes are exposed to disease-carrying fluids with heterosexual contact. Matter of fact, I'm surprised a lot more don't REQUIRE that you bring test results, regardless of what activities are on the menu. I'm hoping the cost-reduction advances in testing technology for Africa eventually start showing up as convenient, cost-effective, quick test kits for consumers.

With all that said, despite all the government-sponsored propaganda, HIV is still primarily a gay mens/IV users' disease outside of Africa, as anal sex (where tears in the anus can help the transmission) and dirty needles are (still) the primary way most people transmit the disease. Sure, women can get it, if they have repeated sexual contact with an infected man. However, it's very hard for a man to get it from a woman, through sexual contact, unless he has some other STD that would induce sores/openings for the virus to enter into, especially if he maintains good hygiene soon after sexual contact (washing behind the foreskin, urinating after ejaculation, etc). Men and women are just built differently.

[mastermind238]

SecretE notes that "it's very hard for a man to get [HIV] from a woman." This is a little misleading and needs clarification.

The rarity of F-to-M transmission is not an indicator of difficulty. Vaginal secretions in HIV+ women contain vanishingly small amounts of active virus. In a monogamous heterosexual relationship F-to-M transmission through BBFS is rare.

But a provider who regularly practices BBFS/CID and has had sex recently with an HIV+ man will have LOTS of virus swimming around your johnson, no matter how well she cleans up. By "lots" I mean many orders of magnitude more virus than you'd find even in the vaginal secretions of an HIV+ woman. In this case, F-to-M transmission is actually fairly easy. Thus rare does not equal difficult.

IMHO the only safe way to hobby with a provider who practices BBFS/CID is to cover up and try to schedule several days after her last appointment.

[SecretE]

Source of study that makes this distinction?

[rekcaSxT]

Originally Posted by mastermind238

SecretE notes that "it's very hard for a man to get [HIV] from a woman." This is a little misleading and needs clarification.

The rarity of F-to-M transmission is not an indicator of difficulty. Vaginal secretions in HIV+ women contain vanishingly small amounts of active virus. In a monogamous heterosexual relationship F-to-M transmission through BBFS is rare.

But a provider who regularly practices BBFS/CID and has had sex recently with an HIV+ man will have LOTS of virus swimming around your johnson, no matter how well she cleans up. By "lots" I mean many orders of magnitude more virus than you'd find even in the vaginal secretions of an HIV+ woman. In this case, F-to-M transmission is actually fairly easy. Thus rare does not equal difficult.

IMHO the only safe way to hobby with a provider who practices BBFS/CID is to cover up and try to schedule several days after her last appointment.

Originally Posted by SecretE

Source of study that makes this distinction?

Can we see a study for either of these claims?

[Carl]

All I can say is that I double bag my willie with BF Goodrich Trojans even when I masturbate. I know where my hands have been. Plus, they're a little rough.

[SofaKingFun]

Carl, you might want to check into the run-flats. That's what I use.


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[RALPHEY BOY]

note to self: do not have bbfs with high risk men or women, and stay away from Hemophiliac homosexuals

[Carl]

Originally Posted by 78704

Interesting interpretation. I'd say the bareback argument would go thusly: it's not as dangerous for the males as it's commonly portrayed as, it doesn't significantly increase the risks for covered clients, and while it does increase risk for the provider, she accepts it. Parenthetically, http://singularityhub.com/2010/07/22...rds-a-vaccine/

I still have my doubts about the long-term effectiveness of a vaccine. Let's say you eventually develop a vaccine that stops not just 91% of HIV strains but 99.9%. So then everybody gets their vacine and regular boosters and goes around doing anal BB like perverted clueless bunnies. Now, what is to prevent the 0.1% of strains spreading, and spreading fairly rapidly, to eventually cause 99.9% of AIDS cases? And since it only took 25+ years to develop the first vaccine, how long will it take to develop one against this vaccine-resistant set of strains?Would it even be possible?

[mastermind238]

SecretE - You said "it's very hard for a man to get HIV from a woman, through sexual contact, unless ..."

Let's see ... which part of my response do you need proof of? That vaginal secretions contain vanishingly low levels of virus (thus accounting for the overall low heterosexual spread rate?). The best study I've seen found that virus could only be found in vaginal washings of about 1 in 3 HIV+ women. There's lots of literature on this. The amount of virus present (if detectable) depends on what state of infection the woman is in, what drugs (legal and illegal) she's taking, etc, etc.

Or how about the statement that the semen of an HIV+ man contains lots of virus? Gimme a break. You need a study to tell you this?

Seems to me you just don't want to believe the obvious, but if you really need peer-reviewed studies of either of these statements, I'll be happy to look them up when I have time.

In the mean time you just seem sticking your weenie in a snatch full of semen from an HIV+ guy and see how long it takes...

[Sir Hardin Thicke]

Sweet HeavenLee ad: Waiting for my PUSSY to be Ramed and filled with your CUM!

Once can deduce that BBFS is being offered here albeit not literally. That's two ads so far, one from Rosiedaie and now HeavenLee, that are advertising activities that can lead one to believe it is BBFS. Perhaps either lady wasn't really thinking of that particular activity to be interpreted as BBFS. CID? Creampie? Ram pussy and fill with cum? Can it occur with a cover? This is either a miscommunication or false advertisement on behalf of the provider.

[RALPHEY BOY]

Originally Posted by Sir Hardin Thicke

Ram pussy and fill with cum? Can it occur with a cover? This is either a miscommunication or false advertisement on behalf of the provider.

I would say NO, it cant be with a cover, that would be 'ram my pussy fill your condom with cum'...

well book her and find out

[78704]

Originally Posted by Carl

I still have my doubts about the long-term effectiveness of a vaccine. Let's say you eventually develop a vaccine that stops not just 91% of HIV strains but 99.9%. So then everybody gets their vacine and regular boosters and goes around doing anal BB like perverted clueless bunnies. Now, what is to prevent the 0.1% of strains spreading, and spreading fairly rapidly, to eventually cause 99.9% of AIDS cases? And since it only took 25+ years to develop the first vaccine, how long will it take to develop one against this vaccine-resistant set of strains?Would it even be possible?

Article discusses your questions in the second paragraph, dog.

[Carl]

Paragraph 7, actually. And by paragraph 8, they state, "The antibodies found in Donor 45 will only lead to a vaccine if they can be used to generate an innocuous, antigenic form of the virus." (The italics and boldface are mine)

Looks like it's still far too soon to get anybody's hopes up.

[derek303]

"Hello Derek, remember me? We had sex on July 23rd and it's now April 23rd 2011. I have a wonderful child and would like you to test as the father. I was so impressed with your looks and your new Lexis that I thought you'd be a great fit."