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Old 09-13-2012, 09:54 PM   #16
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You think I went quiet in the "Hitler thread" that's funny I've been posting on that thread all afternoon. Rush is an optimist. He believes America is the greatest country in the history of the world, unlike you liberals who think America is just no damn good. Rush believes ordinary people have the potential for greatness, and don't need the government to take care of them.

Yeah rush is an opportunist, always taking the opportunity try to influence his impressionable listeners with his quack pot theories. Like the rock solid theory that Al Qaeda gave up OBL so that it would further Obama's political career so that a "Islamic" leader can rule the country for another four years. Rush is a pessimistic fool, who doesn't have faith in America unless someone with an Elephant pin is sitting behind the desk of the oval office.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=_cU-8MRbp18

Here's a link if you will bother to watch it, most likely not- it's common place for you ( see how I say YOU and not all conservatives, because I think there are some smart conservatives that don't give rush Limbaugh's word as much weight as you do.) to skip over the things you cannot argue on and move on to a topic more in your favor.
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:03 PM   #17
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Those bean bag bags or sand bags is what I see a lot of riot squads using. Those rubber bullets were real popular a few years ago, it could be possible to try and avoid an international incident by using non lethal ammo. However live ammo should have been easily accessible.

Of course we worry about other nations but sometimes its more important to save your own people not Citizen of the world Citizens of America may be "Citizen of the world" should have been a line in the 70's

Idk just ranting
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:10 PM   #18
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Yeah rush is an opportunist, always taking the opportunity try to influence his impressionable listeners with his quack pot theories. Like the rock solid theory that Al Qaeda gave up OBL so that it would further Obama's political career so that a "Islamic" leader can rule the country for another four years. Rush is a pessimistic fool, who doesn't have faith in America unless someone with an Elephant pin is sitting behind the desk of the oval office.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=_cU-8MRbp18

Here's a link if you will bother to watch it, most likely not- it's common place for you ( see how I say YOU and not all conservatives, because I think there are some smart conservatives that don't give rush Limbaugh's word as much weight as you do.) to skip over the things you cannot argue on and move on to a topic more in your favor.
Rush didn't say that al-Qaeda gave up Osama; he said "what if." It's an interesting hypothetical.

I'm sure al-Qaeda is hoping that Odumbo is re-elected. If al-Qaeda could greatly increase the likelihood of Odumbo's re-election by sacrificing Osama, who knows? He may not have been useful to them any more. Osama is probably more useful to al-Qaeda as a martyr, killed by the evil Americans, than if he had died from kidney failure.
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"What If". As if saying it's a theory will prevent the rush-heads from not repeating whatever Rush has said at the water cooler or at their bar as if it came from the bible.

I remember a couple of theories a maybe about 4 years ago that people will swear on their mother's life as the truth. Like Obama Islamic faith or him not being a citizen, people are still clutching onto those theories. Planting seeds in the heads of people looking for someone to follow is ridiculously easy.



Al-Qaeda is already a disorganized shit storm as it is, you think that a bunch of farmers and desert militia men have enough finesse to organize a agreement with the US government to give up the most powerful person in their organization to have some black American continue his reign as president? An American they couldn't give a shit about and blatantly disrespect everytime they burn his picture or the flag. Right.
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:33 PM   #20
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"What If". As if saying it's a theory will prevent the rush-heads from not repeating whatever Rush has said at the water cooler or at their bar as if it came from the bible.

I remember a couple of theories a maybe about 4 years ago that people will swear on their mother's life as the truth. Like Obama Islamic faith or him not being a citizen, people are still clutching onto those theories. Planting seeds in the heads of people looking for someone to follow is ridiculously easy.



Al-Qaeda is already a disorganized shit storm as it is, you think that a bunch of farmers and desert militia men have enough finesse to organize a agreement with the US government to give up the most powerful person in their organization to have some black American continue his reign as president? An American they couldn't give a shit about and blatantly disrespect everytime they burn his picture or the flag. Right.
Rush didn't say there might have been an agreement between al-Qaeda and the US government, just that they might haved allowed Osama to be killed.

Telling the CIA where Osama was located would have extremely easy; just make a phone call. Once again, it's just a theory. Rush has fifteen hours of air time to fill every week. I don't take everything he says seriously; neither does he.
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Old 09-13-2012, 11:23 PM   #21
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A personal note; Skylar you belong to a philsophy that has more to do with Hitler than any right wing group. Why do you think they were called National Socialists. They were left wingers who would not do the international thing. They believed Germany was better. You may be a beautiful woman but your mind is very ugly.
And your mind is one big lie after another...

http://atheism.about.com/b/2005/10/3...-socialism.htm

Many conservatives insist that the Nazis were an example of a 'socialist' government as part of their effort to discredit socialism and leftist policies in general. This is rather like using the example of East Germany, the German Democratic Republic, to discredit democracy: it demonstrates the speaker's inability to comprehend reality.
Prior to the Nazi seizure of power in 1933, worker protests had spread all across Germany in response to the Great Depression. During his drive to power, Hitler exploited this social unrest by promising workers to strengthen their labor unions and increase their standard of living. But these were empty promises; privately, he was reassuring wealthy German businessmen that he would crack down on labor once he achieved power.

The Nazis abolished trade unions, collective bargaining and the right to strike. An organization called the "Labor Front" replaced the old trade unions, but it was an instrument of the Nazi party and did not represent workers.


It's true that the Nazis tried to develop an ideology of socialism -- one based on Christianity, in fact. Part of their party platform was the idea that the public need should be put before private greed, and this principle was part of the statement of how they were a Christian political party:
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Intelligent people still listen to Rush????
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Old 09-14-2012, 03:42 AM   #23
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Wouldn't be surprised. When we went into Haiti the marines were allowed one magazine of ammo (30 rounds). It was to prevent them from shooting people and being left unarmed.

In Lebanon the marines on guard duty were not allowed to have loaded weapons. The ammo was nearby but couldn't be in the weapon.

A personal note; Skylar you belong to a philsophy that has more to do with Hitler than any right wing group. Why do you think they were called National Socialists. They were left wingers who would not do the international thing. They believed Germany was better. You may be a beautiful woman but your mind is very ugly.
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Old 09-14-2012, 04:28 AM   #24
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live ammo for the marine gaurds....

it appears that the buck stops with the Ambassador of the embassy whether the guards are armed or not.
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They should just get some boys from Louisianna to gurad the place just tell them there is no limit and they taste like chicken.
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Wouldn't be surprised. When we went into Haiti the marines were allowed one magazine of ammo (30 rounds). It was to prevent them from shooting people and being left unarmed.

In Lebanon the marines on guard duty were not allowed to have loaded weapons. The ammo was nearby but couldn't be in the weapon.

A personal note; Skylar you belong to a philsophy that has more to do with Hitler than any right wing group. Why do you think they were called National Socialists. They were left wingers who would not do the international thing. They believed Germany was better. You may be a beautiful woman but your mind is very ugly.

The shit some people pull out of their asses to try and demonize others. What exact philosophy do I belong to since you know me so well? I guess casually talking abolishing a whole group of people is better than someone being called out on it. You saying my beliefs line up with a Socialist party is laughable- all because I don't agree with you. You can try and misconstrue my words in your stubborn mind, but you will fail every time.
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From: Cross, Alex Maj OLA, LA-41B
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Subject: Marines in Libya and Egypt


Ladies and Gentlemen-

The following information is provided regarding Marine involvement in the recent actions in Egypt and Libya:

Egypt:
-The Ambassador did not impose restrictions on weapons or weapons status on the Marine Corps Embassy Security Group (MCESG) detachment. The MCESG Marines in Cairo were allowed to have live ammunition in their weapons. The Ambassador and Regional Security Officer have been completely and appropriately engaged with the security situation. Reports of Marines not being able to have their weapons loaded per direction from the Ambassador are not accurate. (emphasis mine)
- The Marine Corps does not establish Rules of Engagement (ROE). Nonetheless, ROE is classified and release of that information would jeopardize the Marines and U.S. interests. Any further inquiry should be directed to the State Department, since Marine security guards report to the ambassador not to a military commander.
-As reported in open sources, approximately 2000 personnel were protesting outside the U.S. Embassy and six individuals entered Embassy grounds. The Marines quickly took control of these six individuals and subsequently turned them over to local security officials.
-There were no Marines injured in this, or other actions in Cairo.
-There are no Marine dependents in Cairo.

Libya:
-Contrary to open source reporting, there are no Marines currently stationed at the Embassy in Tripoli, or the Consulate in Benghazi.
-There were no Marines killed in the attack on the Consulate in Benghazi.

Yemen:
-The American Embassy in Sana'a, Yemen has a MCESG reinforced with a Marine security force. Due to operational security, we are not at liberty to provide additional details at this time.

Marine Corps Embassy Security Guards (MCESG):
Embassy security in Tripoli and the consulate in Benghazi fall under the Regional Security Officer with the State Department. The U.S. maintains over 285 diplomatic facilities worldwide. MCESG provides 152 security detachments provide internal security at designated U.S. diplomatic and consular facilities in order to prevent the compromise of classified material vital to the national security of the United States. Perimeter security is the responsibility of the host nation police/security forces. AMEMB Tripoli does not have a MCESG detachment. Typically, when a new embassy is established, it takes time to grow a new MCESG detachment. In coordination with the State Department, there was discussion about establishing a detachment in Tripoli sometime in the next five years. Overall, the plan is to grow the number of MCESG detachments worldwide to 173. The size of a MCESG detachment depends on the size of the Embassy and the security situation on the ground. They normally range anywhere from 5-20+ Marines in size. MCESG can, and have, provided security at Consulates as well as Embassies. For example, Marines guard the US Consulate in Hong Kong and, in the past, have guarded the US Consulate in addition to the Embassy in Haiti. The decision as to which consulates receive this augmented security lies with the State Department. State identifies its requirements and DOD/Marines work to provide it. A U.S. Ambassador serving in an unstable region can/will normally have a security detail provided by the State Departments Diplomatic Security Corps. State has agents specially trained to provide personal security details (similar to the Secret Service). Stephanie Hoostal at the State Liaison Office (B-330) can be reached at 6-4542 if you have questions specific to the State Dept.

Fleet Anti-Terrorism Support Team (FAST):
A FAST platoon deployed to Libya yesterday (12 Sep 12) to provide security for the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli. Established in 1987, FAST platoons provide a limited-duration, expeditionary security force to protect vital naval and national assets. FAST companies maintain forward-deployed platoons at various naval commands around the globe and possess U.S.-based alert forces capable of rapidly responding to unforeseen contingencies worldwide. FAST is not designed to provide a permanent security force for installations. FAST platoons are primarily designed to conduct defensive combat operations, military security operations, and rear area security operations in response to approved requests in support of geographic combatant and fleet commanders. When deployed to reinforce embassies with existing MCESG detachments, FAST platoons will customarily provide an outer cordon of security inside the embassy compound, while MCESG Marines maintain security of the chancery proper, and host nation police/security forces provide an outer cordon of security beyond embassy grounds.

NOTE: Although a Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) has traditionally been forward deployed to the Mediterranean (2.5 MEU forward deployment-1 x east coast MEU to the Med, 1 x west coast MEU to the Pacific, and the 31st MEU forward based out of Okinawa, Japan), there is currently no MEU presence in the Mediterranean. The Marine Corps currently maintains a 1.5 MEU presence forward deployed. We currently have the 24th MEU from the east coast deployed to the Persian Gulf, a west coast MEU is conducting work-ups for deployment, and the 31st MEU is operating from Okinawa.

Please see the attachments for more information on FAST or MCESG. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact your Marine Corps Liaison Office in RHOB-B324.

Respectfully,
Alex Cross, Maj USMC
Deputy Director, Marine Liaison Office
U.S. House of Representatives
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told you it made no sense to station a guard on duty who is unable to GUARD a facility

rightwing logic ..
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Skylar, I'm happy that you are beautiful and elegant but never claim to be intelligent. Sorry. WTF forgot to post this part "The employer, however, was subject to the frequent orders of the ruling Nazi elite. After the Nazis took power in 1933, they quickly established a highly controlled war economy under the direction of Dr. Hjalmar Schacht." What do we call a government that has control over the economy and business like that....? We call it a socialist government. "War Economy" reminds me that Lenin instituted "War Communism" when he found that socialism didn't work. Communism was a temporary thing that lasted 70 years.

So now we know (including Skylar and WTF) Hitler started as a socialist but didn't buy the international thing. National Socialism is a form of socialism. So the roots of Nazism are left wing politics but not the ultimate communist root system.
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