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Old 06-29-2012, 05:29 PM   #16
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Artist,

I am going to completely ignore the "shoot ever damn liberal out there" comment in an effort to educate you just a little. Knowing full well it will most likely be futile, I hope you can at least pay me just enough respect to read and comprehend this.

Fact #1: Over 2/3rd's of the entire national debt was acquired by the last three Republican Administrations. Since 1941, Republicans have outpaced Democrats in adding to our National debt by 63%. At last count, the actual numbers are (R) 10.31 Trillion vs. (D) 6.32 Trillion. This is beyond dispute and you can find these numbers here:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...ssets/hist.pdf

Notice this is not a link to an editorial piece or some pundit's blog. This is a link to the actual historical tables by fiscal year for the United States government all the way back to 1789. This comes directly from the Whitehouse.

Fact #2: Since 1941, Democrats have outpaced Republicans in job creation by 70.2%. The actual numbers are (R) 34,733,000 vs (D) 59,125,000. Again, this is beyond dispute, and you can find these numbers here:

http://www.bls.gov/

Again, note that this is not an editorial piece or a pundit blog. This link will point to a data retrieval tool where you can find this information and do some 5th grade math.

Fact# 3: Of the $4.7 Trillion in debt racked up during Obama's term so far, only about $983 billion of it can actually be attributed to Obama's policies or lack there of. The truth of the matter is that the sum of Obama's actual debt amounts to nothing more than the stimulus package at $800 million, and a small chunk of mandatory spending. Where's the rest of that $4.7 Trillion you ask? Well, the rest of that deficit is made up of Bush Policies (two middle east wars and tax cuts), and lack of revenue due to the recession that was left behind.



Now, I know it's tough to swallow, but for any Conservative to say something like, "this fucker has topped Bush in spending", is really only saying you disagree with Republican policies left over from Bush's Administration and that you disagree with the Republican Congress currently in session who have used these policies to hold our economy hostage. This Congress has repeatedly prevented the current administration from actually doing anything to change them.

Now, I encourage you to try do your own independent research, and I dare you to make even the slightest effort to dispute this information. I'm not making this up, not trying to trick you, not trying to sway you one way or the other. These are cold hard facts. Deal with it.
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Old 06-29-2012, 06:31 PM   #17
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F do you not socialize much..... I mean really you love this crap... You really like to spin things that conservatives are the ones doing everything that the liberals are doing at a faster rate... I have said over and over that all these fuckers are spending money at an alarming rate, but Obummer takes the cake. The problem with your so called hard facts is that they are coming from a very unreliable source. Just because you find sources to support your delusional views doesn't make it fact sorry. I really do not trust the government at all anymore...

When the founders set up our government the power was never supposed to be this large at the federal level. It has morphed backwards as to how it was intended. I do not expect you to ever understand this F, because you like the cool aid and the so called free shit that is not free.
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Old 06-29-2012, 06:34 PM   #18
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Old 06-29-2012, 06:36 PM   #19
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F, Facts on the internets are not necessarily true....

You go ahead and eat it all up. I will be here when the shit hits the fan and not tell you I told you so.
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Old 06-29-2012, 07:31 PM   #20
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As much as I don't want to perpetuate this discussion, and as much as it pains me to do so, I have to ask. If you do not form opinions based on facts that everyone else in the world can agree on, what IN THE HELL are your opinions actually based on? You don't trust the same source of data that everyone else in the world has been referring to for basic fiscal and information since 1789, and basic employment information since 1884? Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? Were you dropped on your head as a child and do you have any idea just how insane that makes you sound? What's worse? You're actually dishing out death threats on a public forum based on opinions you've apparently formed on nothing more than your own wild imagination.

Seriously, seek help.
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Old 06-29-2012, 08:14 PM   #21
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$800 million
Before the peanut gallery gets their panties in a bunch, yes it's a typo. The correct figure should read $800 Billion.
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:26 PM   #22
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F-sharp you should just give up, it doesn't matter how much evidence or actual fact you use you can't penetrate the conservative bubble.

“Trying to get today’s Republican to accept basic facts is like trying to get your dog to take a pill. You have to give them the truth wrapped in a piece of baloney, hold their snouts shut, and stroke their throats. And then, just when you think they’ve swallowed it, they spit it out.”
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:39 PM   #23
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Obama was supposed to give us all some free money!
Humpty you have to admit, the way Obama is tanking the economy, your chances of BBFSCIP are improving.

i got mixed feelings on Obamacare, but I'm sure whatever its budgeted at, it will multiply exponentially and turn into another bureaucratic nightmare.

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Old 06-29-2012, 10:24 PM   #24
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What's the difference between a democrat politician and a republican politician? The letter at the end of their names.
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F-sharp you should just give up, it doesn't matter how much evidence or actual fact you use you can't penetrate the conservative bubble.

“Trying to get today’s Republican to accept basic facts is like trying to get your dog to take a pill. You have to give them the truth wrapped in a piece of baloney, hold their snouts shut, and stroke their throats. And then, just when you think they’ve swallowed it, they spit it out.”

This goes both ways. Liberals will cry foul all day long! You want the government to have the answers. Lets face some cold hard facts. Government fucks up more shit than they fix.

I am a libertarian not a republican.
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Old 06-29-2012, 11:20 PM   #26
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As much as I don't want to perpetuate this discussion, and as much as it pains me to do so, I have to ask. If you do not form opinions based on facts that everyone else in the world can agree on, what IN THE HELL are your opinions actually based on? You don't trust the same source of data that everyone else in the world has been referring to for basic fiscal and information since 1789, and basic employment information since 1884? Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? Were you dropped on your head as a child and do you have any idea just how insane that makes you sound? What's worse? You're actually dishing out death threats on a public forum based on opinions you've apparently formed on nothing more than your own wild imagination.

Seriously, seek help.

You need to seek help you are in love with Obummer and will defend his out of control spending over and over.... Bush is no longer in Office and I have stated many times I did not like how much he spent either. When the smoke clears on your anointed one maybe you will see the damage he has done. F get a grip I am not dishing out death threats. I was just suggesting the world would be a better place without all you bleeding heart liberals. Learn to take a joke! What the fuck is wrong with you that you spend so much time arguing with someone who will never agree with you and you will never meet. Makes no sense like wiping before you poop.

You are very emotional F are you a female???? I could swear you have a giant Virgina!
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Old 06-29-2012, 11:26 PM   #27
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Some of your ken folk huh F????

You bore me and you are too predictable.
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What. A. Fucking. Douchebag.
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What. A. Fucking. Douchebag.
I know Amy he is a douchebag! He spends a lot of time crying in the sandbox.
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