LT

[atlcomedy]

Forgive my using a link

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_yl...orarrest050610

For the Sports Fans (or those that grew up in New Tork) among us this may be a bigger story than for others & the facts are still coming out, but I'd be interested in reaction to this quote from a "news story/opinion piece"

This will cast LT in a new light, although who knows how old all the other prostitutes in his life were, how those encounters went down. Prostitution is a nasty business, mostly a crime of intimidation and abuse that is a long way from how the movies depict it. Taylor was always allowed to joke about hiring women though, even saying he’d send working girls to the hotel rooms of opponents the night before Giants games in an effort to “distract” them.

[Chica Chaser]

Originally Posted by atlcomedy

Forgive my using a link

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_yl...orarrest050610

For the Sports Fans (or those that grew up in New Tork) among us this may be a bigger story than for others & the facts are still coming out, but I'd be interested in reaction to this quote from a "news story/opinion piece"

One of the few times that the excuse all the do-gooders use comes true. Human Trafficking, that all prostitutes are forced into this business against their will. This a a tragic story for all involved. For the runaway girl, for her family and for Taylor and his already tarnished legacy. The pimp ought to be strung up right along side of LT. The fact that they exploited a 16 yo child is simply inexcusable.

[charlestudor2005]

Not to defend LT or anything, but I've met 16 yos (and younger) who know and act like 32 yos. The statutory rape law is lost on them and should not be applied. A lot of states don't even extend statutory rape to 16 yos. The pimp bothers me a bit...too many unanswered questions.

But where would you fall in this issue if she were an independent?

And considering the thread on "Stats," what if she were 16, had an ECCIE page that stated she was 19? How much confirmation do hobbyists here have that some providers are not younger than their stated age, especially when it comes to the age of majority? Does ECCIE screen for this?

From http://www.cga.ct.gov/2003/olrdata/j...003-r-0376.htm. To see a readable table, go to this link.

Table 1: Statutory Rape Laws by State

States

Statutory Rape

Penalties

Alabama
§ 13A-6-61
§ 13A-6-62
First-degree rape for someone age 16 or older to have sexual intercourse with someone under age 12.
Second-degree rape for someone age 16 or older to have sexual intercourse with someone between age 12 and 16, when the actor is at least two years older.
Life in prison or between 10 and 99 years
Two to 20 years in prison
Alaska
§ 11. 41. 434
§ 11. 41. 436
§ 11. 41. 440
First-degree sexual abuse of a minor for someone age 16 or older to engage in sexual penetration with someone under age 13.
Second-degree sexual abuse of a minor for someone age 16 or older to engage in sexual penetration with someone who is age 13, 14, or 15 and at least three years younger than the offender.
Fourth-degree sexual abuse of a minor for someone under age 16 to engage in sexual penetration with someone under age 13 and at least three years younger.
Up to 30 years in prison
Up to 10 years in prison
Up to one year in prison
Arizona
§ 13-1405
Sexual conduct with a minor to engage in sexual intercourse with someone under age 18.
(1) If the minor is under age 15, five years in prison; (2) if the offender is at least age 18 or is tried as an adult and the minor was age 12 or younger, life in prison and the offender is ineligible for release until serving 35 years; (3) if the offender is at least 18 or tried as an adult and the victim is age 12, 13, or 14, the presumptive sentence is 20 years; or (4) if the minor is at least age 15, it is punishable by one year in prison
Arkansas
§ 5-14-103
§ 5-14-127
Rape is engaging in sexual intercourse with someone under age 14 who is at least three years younger.
Fourth-degree sexual assault if someone age 20 or older engages in sexual intercourse with someone under age 16.
10 to 40 years or life in prison
Up to one year in prison
California
§ 261. 5(b)-(d)
Anyone who engages in an act of unlawful sexual intercourse with a person under age 18 and the actor is not more than three years older or three years younger, is guilty of a misdemeanor
Anyone who engages in an act of unlawful sexual intercourse with a person under age 18 who is more than three years younger than the actor is guilty of either a misdemeanor or a felony
Any person 21 years of age or older who engages in an act of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor who is under 16 years of age is guilty of either a misdemeanor or a felony
Up to one year in county jail
Up to one year in county jail or by imprisonment in the state prison (period unspecified)
Up to one year in a county jail or by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three, or four years
Colorado
§18-3-402
Sexual assault to knowingly inflicts sexual intrusion or sexual penetration on a victim (1) under age 15 if the actor is at least four years older or (2) at least 15 years old but less than 17 years old and the actor is at least 10 years older.
The former is punishable by two to six years' in prison and the latter by one to two years in prison
Connecticut
§ 53a-70 (a)(2)
§ 53a-71 (a)(1)
First-degree sexual assault to have sexual intercourse with a person under age 13 if the actor is more than two years older
Second-degree sexual assault to have sexual intercourse with a person between ages 13 and 16 if the actor is more than two years older
10 to 25 years in prison with a mandatory minimum of five years if the victim is between age 10 and 16 and 10 years if the victim is under age 10. The combined sentence and special parole must equal at least 10 years
Up to 20 years in prison (nine months mandatory minimum)
Delaware
§ 770
§ 771
§772
§ 773
Fourth-degree rape to have sexual intercourse with (1) someone under age 16 or (2) someone under age 18 and the actor is at least 30 years older.
Third-degree rape to have sexual intercourse with a (1) victim under age 16 if the actor is at least 10 years older or (2) victim under age 14 if the actor is age 19 or older.
Second-degree rape to sexually penetrate a person under age 12 if the actor is 18 or older.
First-degree rape to have sexual intercourse with a person under age 12 if the actor is age 18 or older.
Up to 10 years
Two to 20 years in prison
Two to 20 years in prison with a 10 year minimum
15 years to life in prison
Florida
§ 794. 05
Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors if someone age 24 or older engages in sexual activity with someone age 16 or 17.
Up to 15 years in prison
Georgia
§ 16-6-3
Statutory rape to have sexual intercourse with someone under age 16.
One to 20 years in prison, but (1) 10 to 20 years if the offender is age 21 or older and (2) up to one year in prison if the victim is age 14 or 15 and the offender is no more than three years older.
Hawaii
§ 707-730
First-degree sexual assault to knowingly engage in sexual penetration (1) with someone under age 14 or (2) with someone between age 14 and 16 when the offender is more than five years older.
An indeterminate term of 20 years in prison
Idaho
§ 18-6101
Rape of a female under age 18.
One year to life in prison
Illinois
§ 730 ILCS 5/12-12 et seq.
Aggravated sexual assault for sexual penetration by an offender under age 17 with a victim under age 9.
Predatory criminal sexual assault of a child for sexual penetration by an offender age 17 or older and a victim under 13.
Criminal sexual abuse is sexual penetration with (1) an offender under age 17 and a victim between ages 9 and 17 or (2) a victim between ages 13 and 17 and an offender less than five years older.
Aggravated criminal sexual abuse is sexual penetration with a victim between age 13 and 17 by an offender at least five years older.
Six to 30 years in prison
Six to 30 years in prison
Up to one year in prison
Three to seven years in prison
Indiana
§ 35-42-4-3
§ 35-52-4-9
Child molesting is sexual intercourse with a child under age 14.
Sexual misconduct with a minor if a person at least age 18 engages in sexual intercourse with a child between ages 14 and 16.
(1) Fixed term of 10 years with up to 10 years added or four subtracted for aggravating and mitigating circumstances or (2) if the offender actor is at least age 21, a fixed term of 30 years, with up to 20 years added or 10 subtracted.
(1) Fixed term of four years with up to four added or two subtracted or (2) if the actor is at least age 21, a fixed term of 10 years with up to 10 years added or four subtracted.
Iowa
§ 709. 4
Third-degree sexual abuse to perform a sex act on another person, not his spouse, who is (1) age 12 or 13 or (2) age 14 or 15 if the actor is five or more years older.
Up to 10 years in prison
Kansas
§ 21-3504
§ 21-3522
Aggravated indecent liberties with a child is sexual intercourse with a child between age 14 and 16.
Unlawful voluntary sexual relations is sexual intercourse with a child age 14 to 16 when the offender is under age 19 and less than four year older.
These crimes are felonies subject to sentencing guidelines
Kentucky
§ 510. 020 et seq.
First-degree rape is sexual intercourse with someone under age 12.

Second-degree rape is someone age 18 or older engaging in sexual intercourse with someone under 14.
Third-degree rape is someone age 21 or older engaging in sexual intercourse with someone under 16.
20 to 50 years in prison
Five to 10 years in prison
One to five years in prison
Louisiana
§ 14-80
§ 14. 80. 1
Felony carnal knowledge of a juvenile is sexual intercourse with consent between (1) someone age 19 or older and someone between age 12 and 17 or (2) someone age 17 or older and someone between age 12 and 15.
Misdemeanor carnal knowledge of a juvenile is sexual intercourse with consent between someone age 17 to 19 and someone age 15 to 17 when the difference in their ages is greater than two years.
Up to 10 years in prison (with or without hard labor)
Up to six months in prison
Maine
17-A § 253 (1)(B)
17-A § 254 (1)(A)
Gross sexual assault to have sexual intercourse with a person under age 14
Sexual abuse of a minor for anyone to have sexual intercourse with someone, other than his spouse, who is either age 14 or 15 and the actor is at least five years older.
Up to 40 years in prison
Up to one year in prison. Up to five years in prison if the actor is at least 10 years older than the victim.
Maryland
§ 3-306
§ 3-307
§ 3-304
Second-degree sexual offense to engage in a sexual act with a person under age 14 and the actor is at least four years older
Third-degree sexual offense for someone at least age 21 to engage in a sexual act, including vaginal intercourse, with someone age 14 or 15
Second-degree rape to have vaginal intercourse with a person under age 14 if the actor is at least four years older
Up to 20 years in prison
Up to 10 years in prison
Up to 20 years in prison
Massachusetts
272 § 4
Criminal inducement to get a person under age 18 of chaste life to have unlawful sexual intercourse
Up to three years in prison or up to two and one-half years in jail
Michigan
§ 750. 520b et seq.
First-degree criminal sexual conduct is sexual penetration with someone under age 13.
Third-degree criminal sexual conduct is sexual penetration with someone between age 13 and 16.
Up to life in prison
Up to 15 years in prison
Minnesota
§ 609. 342 et seq.
First-degree criminal sexual conduct is sexual penetration with a victim under age 13 and an actor more than 36 months older.
Third-degree criminal sexual conduct is sexual penetration with (1) a victim under age 13 and an actor no more than 36 months older or (2) a victim age 13 to 16 and an actor more than 24 months older.
Up to 30 years in prison
Up to 15 years in prison. But under the second part of the crime, if the actor is between 24 and 48 months older, up to five years in prison
Mississippi
§ 97-3-95
Sexual battery to sexually penetrate a child (1) at least age 14 but under age 16 if the actor is at least 36 months older than the child or (2) under age 14 if the actor is at least 24 months older than the child.
Up to 30 years in prison but (1) under the first part of the crime, if the actor is between age 18 and 21, up to five years and (2) under the second part of the crime, if the actor is 18 or older, then life or a term over 20 years
Missouri
§ 566. 032 (1)
§ 566. 034 (1)
First-degree statutory rape to have sexual intercourse with another person who is less than fourteen years old
Second-degree statutory rape for someone at least age 21 to have sexual intercourse with someonewho is less than age 17
Five years to life in prison
Up to seven years in prison
Montana
§ 45-5-501 et seq.
Sexual intercourse with someone under age 16.
Life imprisonment or between two and 100 years. If the victim if under age 16 and the offender is at least three years older, life imprisonment or four to 100 years.
Nebraska
§ 28-319
First-degree sexual assault for a person age 19 or older to sexually penetrate a person under age 16
One to 50 years in prison
Nevada
§§ 200. 364
Statutory sexual seduction for anyone age 18 or older to engage in sexual intercourse with a person under age 16
One to five years in prison if the actor is 21 years of age or older. Up to one year in prison if he is under age 21
New Hampshire
§ 632-A: 3
Felonious sexual assault for anyone to engage in sexual penetration with a person, other than his spouse, who is under age 16
Up to seven years in prison
New Jersey
§ 2C: 14-2
Aggravated sexual assault is sexual penetration with a victim under age 13.
Sexual assault is sexual penetration with a victim between age 13 and 16 when the actor is at least four years older.
10 to 20 years in prison
Five to 10 years in prison
New Mexico
§ 30-9-11
First-degree criminal sexual penetration to engage in sexual intercourse with a child less than age 13
Fourth-degree sexual penetration to engage in sexual intercourse with a child age 13 to 16 if the actor is at least age 18 and at least four years older than the child
Basic sentence of 18 years in prison
Basic sentence of 18 months in prison
New York
§§130. 25, 130. 30, and 130. 35
Third-degree rape for anyone age 21 or older to have sexual intercourse with someone under age 17
Second-degree rape for anyone age 18 or older to engage in sexual intercourse with someone under age 15. The fact that the offender was less than four years older than the victim at the time of the act is an affirmative defense.
First-degree rape to have sexual intercourse with someone (1) less than age 11 or (2) less than age 13 if the actor is age 18 or older
Up to four years in prison
Up to seven years in prison
Five to 25 years in prison
North Carolina
§ 14-27. 2 et seq.
First-degree rape is sexual intercourse with a victim under age 13 when the actor is at least age 12 and at least four years older.
Statutory rape or sexual offense of person age 13, 14, or 15 is intercourse with someone age 13, 14, or 15 when the actor is (1) at least six years older and (2) between four and six years older.
These crimes are felonies subject to the structured sentencing law with minimums and maximums depending on aggravating and mitigating factors and the offender’s prior record
North Dakota
§ 12. 1-20-03
Gross sexual imposition is committing a sexual act with a victim under age 15.
Corruption of minor is an adult engaging in sexual act with a minor
Up to 10 years in prison
(1) Up to one year in prison if the victim is at least age 15 or (2) if actor is at least age 22 and the victim is a minor at least age 15, up to five years in prison.
Ohio
§ 2907. 04
Sexual assault for a person age 18 to engage in sexual conduct with a minor if the actor knows that the minor is between ages 13 and 16
(1) Six to 18 months in prison, (2) if the actor is less that four years older than the victim, a $ 1,000 fine, or (3) if the actor is 10 or more years older than the victim, one to five years in prison.
Oklahoma
§ 21-1114
First-degree rape for a person over age 18 to have sexual intercourse with a person under age 14
In all other cases rape is second-degree rape
Five years in prison to death
One to 15 years in prison
Oregon
§ 163. 355
§ 163. 365
§ 163. 375
Third-degree rape to have sexual intercourse with a person under age 16. Defense that the actor was less than three years older than the victim at the time of the offense
Second-degree rape to have sexual intercourse with a person under age 14. Defense that the actor was less than three years older than the victim at the time of the offense
First-degree rape to have sexual intercourse with a person under age 12
Up to five years in prison
Up to 10 years in prison
Up to 20 years in prison
Pennsylvania
18 § 3121
Rape to engage in sexual intercourse with a complainant who is less than 13 years of age.
Rape to engage in deviate sexual intercourse with a complainant who is less than (1) 13 years of age or (2) 16 years of age and the actor is four or more years older.
Up to 20 years in prison
Rhode Island
§ 11-37-6
Third-degree sexual assault for anyone over age 18 to engage in sexual penetration with someone over age 14 and under age 16
Up to five years in prison
South Carolina
§ 16-3-655
First-degree criminal sexual conduct with a minor to have sexual intercourse with a person under age 11.
Second-degree criminal sexual conduct with a minor to have sexual intercourse with a person between ages 11 and 14.
Up to 30 years in prison
Up to 20 years in prison
South Dakota
§ 22-22-1
Rape to sexually penetrate a person under age 10.
Rape to sexually penetrate a person between ages 10 and 16 if the actor is at least three years older than the victim.
10 years in prison
15 years in prison
Tennessee
§ 39-13-506
Statutory rape to sexually penetrate a person at least age 13 but less than age 18 if the actor is at least four years older than the victim. Any actor under age 18 must be tried as a juvenile and cannot be transferred to adult court.
Two to six years in prison
Texas
§ 22. 011
Sexual assault for anyone to intentionally or knowingly penetrate a person under age 17, other than his spouse. The actor has an affirmative defense if he is not more than three years older than the victim, who is at least age 14
Two to 20 years in prison
Utah
§ 76-5-401
§ 76-5-401. 2
Unlawful sexual activity with a minor to have sexual intercourse with someone age 14 or 15
Unlawful sexual activity with a minor to have sexual intercourse with someone age 16 or 17 if the actor is 10 or more years older than the victim
Up to five years in prison, unless the actor is less than four years older than the victim
Up to five years in prison
Vermont
13 § 3252
13 § 3253
Sexual assault to engage in a sexual act with a person under age 16, except where the actors are married and the act is consensual
Aggravated sexual assault for anyone age 18 or older to engage in a sexual act with someone under age 10
Up to 20 years in prison
Up to life in prison
Virginia
§ 18. 2-61
§ 18. 2-63
§ 18. 2-63
§18. 2-63
Sexual intercourse with a child under the age of thirteen
Carnal knowledge of a child between ages 13 and 15
Carnal knowledge of a child between ages 13 and 15 when the actor is a minor and the victim is three or more years younger
Carnal knowledge of a child between ages 13 and 15 when the actor is a minor and the victim is less than three years younger
Five years to life in prison
Two to 10 years in prison
One to five years in prison
Maximum fine of $ 250
Washington
§ 9A. 44. 073
§ 9A. 44. 076
§ 9A. 44. 079
First-degree rape of a child to have sexual intercourse with a person less than age 12 years and the actor is at least 24 months older
Second-degree rape of a child to have sexual intercourse with a person who is at least 12 but less than 14 years old if the actor is at least 36 months older than the victim
Third-degree rape of a child to have sexual intercourse with a person age 14 or 15 if the actor is at least 48 months older than the victim
Five years to life in prison
Five years to life in prison
Up to five years in prison
West Virginia
§ 61-8B-3
§ 61-8B-5
First-degree sexual assault for a person age 14 or older to have sexual intercourse with a person age 11 or younger
Third-degree sexual assault for a person age 16 or older to have sexual intercourse with a person under age 16 and at least four years younger than the actor
15 to 35 years in prison
One to five years in prison
Wisconsin
§ 948. 02
§ 948. 09
Sexual intercourse with a person under 13 years of age
Sexual intercourse with a person under 16 years of age
Sexual intercourse with a minor at least age of 16
Up to 40 years in prison
Up to 25 years in prison
Up to nine months in prison
Wyoming
§ 6-2-303
§ 6-2-304
Second-degree sexual assault to inflict sexual intrusion upon a person under age 12 and the actor is at least four years older than the victim.
Third-degree sexual assault if, under circumstances not constituting first- or second-degree sexual assault, the actor is at least four years older than the victim and inflicts sexual intrusion on a victim under age 16.
Up to 20 years in prison
Up to 15 years in prison

[Ansley]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

16 yos (and younger) who know and act like 32 yos.

I think it is sad that a girl that young could act like a 32 year old woman. I automatically think of a childhood that was lost because of having to survive. I am involved with a woman's group that has a few young women. To hear the stories of what they have gone through is so sad. My gosh I wish I could take them home with me, but that just isn't possible. It is amazing how a few unconditional kind words and a hug goes a long way with them. At least for the time we are together.

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by Ansley

I think it is sad that a girl that young could act like a 32 year old woman. I automatically think of a childhood that was lost because of having to survive. I am involved with a woman's group that has a few young women. To hear the stories of what they have gone through is so sad. My gosh I wish I could take them home with me, but that just isn't possible. It is amazing how a few unconditional kind words and a hug goes a long way with them. At least for the time we are together.

Good on you!! Nothing better than kind words in the face of adversity. It may be hard for someone facing adversity to believe the kind words, but persistence pays.

[Chica Chaser]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

But where would you fall in this issue if she were an independent?

And considering the thread on "Stats," what if she were 16, had an ECCIE page that stated she was 19? How much confirmation do hobbyists here have that some providers are not younger than their stated age, especially when it comes to the age of majority? Does ECCIE screen for this?

Interesting question Prince C, I would hope that IF I ever got into a incall situation with an underage lady like this, my radar would go off and I would require checking her ID for proof of age. Since I make it a habit to only see ladies advertising their age at a minimum of 30+, I would think that situation would never occur. But it is certainly one more thing to keep in the back of your mind.

In any event, given LT's history and reputation, I truly hope they throw the book at him and he's put away for many years. Not some slap-on-the wrist fine and community service, and the girls pimp should be right there with him. Child exploitation is a HUGE problem for me to see past.

[John Bull]

Discussions of child prostitution is not allowed. Thread closed

[shooter6.5]

Atlcomedy asked the question in a RTM. I believe that it is important for the members to be reminded of the policy here so I will answer this question in my words. It is not open for discussion so I will not reopen this thread. This is truly one of those areas that is not flexible as far as the staff here regards it.

The topic of underage sexual activity is simply not allowed here. Regardless of what it is. It is neither condoned not allowed on the eccie site, for a number of reasons. Once you allow anything in this area where do you draw the line. We have simplified that answer and we simply do not allow it AT ALL. You can go round and round on this, but the bottom line is this is the way it is, and I am sure that the vast majority of you will understand our position if you look at it from the point of view of a staff member.

take care and have a great weekend

Shooter