Rules of arrangements.

[ShysterJon]

Originally Posted by Kandy Kelly

I recently have an offer for an arrangement but I declined because his month offer was less than what I can make as a provider. His expectations were that I no longer be active in the hobby.

Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

With SD's, it's an element of exclusivity that he wants. You are his prize, and no one can have you but him. When someone puts a low price tag on a prize, AND you'd have to stop providing, he's just seeing how big of a fool you are. On to the next one. Sometimes, when arrangements are made like this it's a setup for failure. He EXPECTS you to take the chump change, but he ALSO expects you to be greedy and make some money on the side.

Tiffani, I think you jump to a lot of conclusions here without any basis. The OP said a prospective SD offered her less than she's making as a provider. You make the great leap that he offered her "chump change," when there isn't anything in Kandy's posts to indicate anything other than he offered her less than she's making now. I would think you would agree that a SD who gives his SB $2,000, $3,000, or even $5,000 a month isn't giving "chump change," although it may be less than the girl made having sex with numerous strangers each month.

One reason providers make bad SBs is that many of them expect their SD to pay them the same as all the clients they would have seen would have paid them put together. That's the result of bad math, in my view.

For example, a SD may have 8 dates of an average of 3 hours each a month (24 hours total) with his SB. The girl, including time spent advertising, booking rooms etc., may have had 30 dates of an average of 1.5 hours each (45 hours total) with hobbyists. The net result is the girl "works" less and has more time -- maybe even time to get a job to develop a career. Maybe a job that isn't even illegal or at times disgusting. Or maybe even time to go to college.

[Tiffani Jameson]

Originally Posted by ShysterJon

Tiffani, I think you jump to a lot of conclusions here without any basis. The OP said a prospective SD offered her less than she's making as a provider. You make the great leap that he offered her "chump change," when there isn't anything in Kandy's posts to indicate anything other than he offered her less than she's making now. I would think you would agree that a SD who fives his SB $2,000, $3,000, or even $5,000 a month isn't giving "chump change," although it may be less that the girl made having sex with numerous strangers each month.

One reason providers make bad SBs is that many of them expect their SD to pay them the same as all the clients they see would have paid them put together. For example, a SD may have 8 dates of an average of 3 hours each a month (24 hours total) with his SB. The girl, including time spent advertising, booking rooms etc., may have had 30 dates of an average of 1.5 hours each (45 hours total) with hobbyists. The net result is the girl "wroks" less and has more time -- maybe even time to get a job to develop a career. Maybe a job that isn't even illegal or at times disgusting.

Darling Shyster, you speak VERY good lawyer.

When I said 'chump change' I didn't think I'd be arguing a case with YOU! I mean, OMG. I really meant it in jest. And giving a lady up to 5K a month is not enough to tell her what to do with her body. I would think the price of freedom was worth more than that.

The problem is not JUST with the providers, but the gents not picking the right providers to offer this to. When you target the young, vulnerable lady that has no business sense, that makes WAAAY more money screwing 10 times a day than you think (also in jest, and is not meant to be the information of any real provider. Any similarities to any real providers living or dead is just a coincidence. I need a legal disclaimer talking to your ass) and expect her to take less than HALF of her WEEKLY income for screwing you, and be FAITHFUL like a wife when she's in your nice home and driving a nice car and she doesn't even have to touch your ass (also meant in jest, and not meant for you in particular. Any similarities to the home life of a real SD living or dead is just a coincidence), you MAY need to stick to SA.com.

I mean, somebody's barely legal 19-year-old little girl that's not in this industry would probably be more impressed with 2K a month, since she doesn't have any bills since she lives at home, or recently independent, and she doesn't even have the skills to get a JOB that pays her 2K a month.

But hey, it's a good thing I like BEING a HO. You can't make a woman feel bad for doing what she likes.

And by the way, I've got a career.
I'm BACK in school.
And I've got a strong stomach.

Conversations like this make me want to drop ALL my money into my daughter's trust fund.

[trynagetlaid]

Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

And giving a lady up to 5K a month is not enough to tell her what to do with her body.

Are you nuts? If I pay a girl $60K a year, tax free, I'll slap a chastity belt around that cooch when I leave, and I'll have the only key.

If she wants to suck another guy's dick when I'm not around, I can't stop that; but that cooch is mine as long as she's drawing that much money from me!!!

[Red Tex]

And giving a lady up to 5K a month is not enough to tell her what to do with her body.

So what is that price?

I would bet there are a huge number of providers here that if I offered $5K a month to be my cum bucket, they would sign up in a heartbeat! No screening $5K cash? Only her own expenses?

But hey, it's a good thing I like BEING a HO. You can't make a woman feel bad for doing what she likes.

What about being an angry black woman?

[Tiffani Jameson]

Originally Posted by Red Tex

What about being an angry black woman?

Where did you get that from? I'm just not a STUPID Black woman. You can miss me with the dumb shit. I have a great life. I am for whatever makes ladies happy. And being a fool, in the long run never makes anyone happy...

The only point I was trying to make is the truth.
*An escort would probably not be exclusive for 5K. She would see you whenever you want, but not be exclusive.
*Younger ladies NOT in this industry would probably be grateful for that type of arrangement.

I'm not knocking any one's hustle. Just don't knock mine. I'm a companion. All I ask is that you respect me like I respect you.

[ShysterJon]

Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

Darling Shyster, you speak VERY good lawyer.

When I said 'chump change' I didn't think I'd be arguing a case with YOU! I mean, OMG. I really meant it in jest. And giving a lady up to 5K a month is not enough to tell her what to do with her body. I would think the price of freedom was worth more than that.

First off, I'm not naive, dumb, romantic, or idealistic enough to think that a pretty young girl might not be tempted to play with a studly young boy her own age. I would never require my SB take a vow of chastity. But nearly all my SBs do on their own for various reasons. I take their vows with a grain of salt.

Sure, it's nice to think a pretty young girl might be fucking only me. But I don't want to control her. I don't want to carry around her pussy in my pocket. To be frank, I want my SB to be exclusive with me because I'd rather not have my boner fall off from some disease she caught from her little boyfriend and passed on to me.

But Tiffani -- TIFFANI -- why do you think that when a SB who, as a condition of an arrangement with her SD, agrees to play only with him, that means she's a slave? She's not because she AGREED to the condition. If she doesn't agree to the condition, she doesn't have to enter the relationship. Also, at the inception of the arrangement, she AGREED to have sex with her SD. And unlike a provider, nearly all SB candidates require some wooing to get them into the sack. Some of them require A LOT of wooing.

On the other hand, if I pass your screening, show up at your playpen, I'm reasonably respectful and clean, I stay within your limitations, and I pay you a couple hundred dollars, you're pretty much REQUIRED to have sex with me the first time we meet. Now multiply that by all the guys you'll see in a given month, including the guys that might not be so respectful and clean.

Explain to me how that's the epitome of having freedom over your body, because my little pea brain just doesn't get it.

[Prolongus]

$60 grand a year is chump change to some of the ladies here.

[pyramider]

I thinck SJ hit on something ... Love slaves ...

[boomvang]

Originally Posted by mtabsw

Don't loan money to family or friends. If you want to be generous to a fault, don't expect anything in return. Here's an actual transcript:

Ring:
Me: hello
Son: hi dad wassup?
Me: how much do you need?
Son: you think I only call to get money?
Me: let me ask you - when's the last time you called and didn't? More important, when's the last time you called and wanted to spend time with me? When's the last time I got a birthday, father's day or anniversary card/call?

It would be nice if you were appreciated, but my view is you're being mocked and held in contempt.

Give all you want
Loan nothing

This was me. Then thank the higher power of your choice, she remarried someone with more money.

[Tiffani Jameson]

Originally Posted by ShysterJon

First off, I'm not naive, dumb, romantic, or idealistic enough to think that a pretty young girl might not be tempted to play with a studly young boy her own age. I would never require my SB take a vow of chastity. But nearly all my SBs do on their own for various reasons. I take their vows with a grain of salt.

Sure, it's nice to think a pretty young girl might be fucking only me. But I don't want to control her. I don't want to carry around her pussy in my pocket. To be frank, I want my SB to be exclusive with me because I'd rather not have my boner fall off from some disease she caught from her little boyfriend and passed on to me.

But Tiffani -- TIFFANI -- why do you think that when a SB who, as a condition of an arrangement with her SD, agrees to play only with him, that means she's a slave? She's not because she AGREED to the condition. If she doesn't agree to the condition, she doesn't have to enter the relationship. Also, at the inception of the arrangement, she AGREED to have sex with her SD. And unlike a provider, nearly all SB candidates require some wooing to get them into the sack. Some of them require A LOT of wooing.

On the other hand, if I pass your screening, show up at your playpen, I'm reasonably respectful and clean, I stay within your limitations, and I pay you a couple hundred dollars, you're pretty much REQUIRED to have sex with me the first time we meet. Now multiply that by all the guys you'll see in a given month, including the guys that might not be so respectful and clean.

Explain to me how that's the epitome of having freedom over your body, because my little pea brain just doesn't get it.

I never said 5K was chump change. I just said it's not enough to pay someone to be faithful. Especially without love. Hell, I require wooing. Being respectful, and flirty, and communicating before a date is wooing. Just without all the tricks and the games. I can imagine it taking a lot of wooing. But for the most part, there are some young women who like older men. I always have. Smart, sure of themselves, worldly, and unwavering. I think I've got a thing for father/grandfather figures. I think it comes from having good ones to look up to in my youth.

I don't think the young lady would be a slave. I never said that. (Objection, your honor, slander! LOL) But I can see how it's doable, being faithful. I was a good girl at 19. But when you're an adult, you make adult decisions. My mother told me my 'goodies' were priceless, and that I would regret having sex with someone who made a fool of me to get me into bed. But when you're an adult and mom's not there, how do you make the decision on who to give it to? As a result, I adopted a "for love or money" motto, and I've never been easy. I've just never been one for games. I've done it for love. Now I do it for money. And there you have it. Freedom.

I've entered into such arrangements, but never was my fidelity a part of the bargain. I was where I was supposed to be, and ready for action. And they both lasted over a year. We had fun, and hated to part ways, but when we communicate, I was never questioned about my whereabouts, and people I know, and our mutual failure to respond to emails and texts in a timely manner. This was NEVER meant to in any way resemble marriage.

You may say that you've had a vasectomy, but these are not the times to be fucking ANYONE that you're not married to without a condom. What if your little SB does bring you the ultimate souvenir despite your arrangement? Do you get angry or violent? How do you know if she's being faithful? Do you stalk her or call her 24/7, or put the fear of god in her? Just like in any relationship, worrying about if someone is faithful is nerve wrecking. Better safe than sorry.

Not getting into too many details, but I meet very respectable, CLEAN gents, and I enjoy my time with each and every one of them. I work on my own terms, and no one else's. I make my own money, and I don't screw anyone I don't want to. Also, I don't get on here ranting about my clients or complaining about petty shit, I don't post alerts, and I've never been on hiatus or retired due to stressing over this industry. You really want this to be bad for me, don't you?

If you're not respectful, you don't pass my screening. No matter how you sell it, no matter from who or how much money I get (it's actually more than a couple hundred dollars, but you see how I didn't mess with you about the trivialities?), YOU can't tell me what to do with my body.

[LoveNHorny]

Wow.

Kelly, you seem like a nice gal. Every post I've seen from you has been positive. I would take your time with this decision, and observe that many outcomes are possible - many not positive or healthy. (I won't give my Risk Management advice here, of all places.)

Also, I would take AmberRain up on her offer, and pick her brain for insight.

Jon I think I'm with you on this.

Good info all around.