Dick Cheney gets a heart transplant

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by CJ7

the government runs the VA hospitals, the vets have a high praise for them best I can tell .. very little mentioned about deaths from foreign infections at VA's ...

the private sector proves they cant control prices and keep healthcare affordable and paying maximum $$$ doesnt mean youre immune to an unrelated death

So you honestly believe that when the federal government is running the Houston Medical Center, the quality treatment will be improved?

You honestly believe that the people who run the DMV, the IRS and the post office should be entrusted with providing health care? I'll bet ten years from today, even you will realize you were wrong. Unfortunately, by then, it will be too late.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by CJ7

the government runs the VA hospitals, the vets have a high praise for them best I can tell .. very little mentioned about deaths from foreign infections at VA's ...

the private sector proves they cant control prices and keep healthcare affordable and paying maximum $$$ doesnt mean youre immune to an unrelated death

VA hospital may have infected 1,800 veterans with HIV
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-06-30/u...ental?_s=PM:US

VA: 5th HIV case linked to unsterile equipment
Nearly 11,000 former sailors, soldiers, airmen and Marines could have been exposed at the hospitals in Miami, Murfreesboro, Tenn., and Augusta, Ga.
http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/sh...rile-equipment

Some Veterans' Hospitals in Shocking Shape
http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=132383&page=1

Walter Reed Army Medical Center neglect scandal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_...eglect_scandal

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

So you honestly believe that when the federal government is running the Houston Medical Center, the quality treatment will be improved?

You honestly believe that the people who run the DMV, the IRS and the post office should be entrusted with providing health care? I'll bet ten years from today, even you will realize you were wrong. Unfortunately, by then, it will be too late.

Improvement isnt the issue, youve already stated we have the best care in the world havent you?

affordability is.

the DMV IRS or the Post Office compared to hospitals ??

only in the minds of idgets.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

VA hospital may have infected 1,800 veterans with HIV
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-06-30/u...ental?_s=PM:US

VA: 5th HIV case linked to unsterile equipment
Nearly 11,000 former sailors, soldiers, airmen and Marines could have been exposed at the hospitals in Miami, Murfreesboro, Tenn., and Augusta, Ga.
http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/sh...rile-equipment

Some Veterans' Hospitals in Shocking Shape
http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=132383&page=1

Walter Reed Army Medical Center neglect scandal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_...eglect_scandal

Thanks for responding to the ridiculous assertion that everything's swell at the VA. Sometimes I just let the bullshit posts go unanswered out of fatigue. I've heard lots of horror stories from vets about VA care. It would probably be better for the vets (and cheaper) to just give them vouchers for health care and shut down the whole VA health care system.

[CJ7]

nobody said SWELL ... anyone anytime can dig up shit on hospitals, no big fucking deal ..

anyway joe, thanks for saying the malpractice and mystery deaths at public hospitals was "pretty bad"

[I B Hankering]

Critics charge that one of the big problems facing the VA is that too much money goes toward administration, at the cost of nursing and patient care.

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/stor...2#.T29omtlnC-A

[I B Hankering]

Some of the patients were forced to beg for food and water, she says. Instead of helping her husband go to the bathroom, she said, "they would put a towel under his hips and tell him to use the towel." Pat Christensen said her husband's condition worsened over several months — so badly that at one point he developed horrific bedsores and dangerous infections, and she says his doctors said they would have to amputate his legs.

Pat moved her husband to a private facility, where his infection healed and he underwent extensive physical therapy. She sued the VA, and then used the money to pay for private care for her husband. The VA denied liability but paid a settlement.

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=132383&page=1#.T29snt lnC-B

[CJ7]

http://www.boston.com/business/healt..._in_exit_deal/

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by CJ7

http://www.boston.com/business/healt..._in_exit_deal/

who paid for that?

http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/07/news...hike/index.htm

[I B Hankering]

Veterans who responded to a survey by the American Legion in 2003 said it took an average of seven months to get a first appointment at a VA hospital. In some hospitals, patients have waited as long as two years.

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=132383&page=1#.T29ubt lnC-A

[I B Hankering]

Bell's infection got so bad that the hospital used maggots to try to eat away the decay. That's not unusual treatment, but what happened afterward was.

"The dressing that they had on there was real poorly done," said Bell's granddaughter, Chesney Shirmer. "Some of the maggots got out and they were in the bed with him, you know? He could feel them in the bed."



Ed Bell died of gangrene in the VA hospital in 2002.



http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=132383&page=3#.T29u6N lnC-A

[CJ7]

http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2010/11/...ome-the-bacon/

[I B Hankering]

Terry Soles served in the Navy during the Vietnam War. His wife, Denise, says he was one casualty of this practice. In 1998, he went to the VA hospital in Cleveland complaining of pain and diarrhea, and doctors removed small cancerous growths from his stomach and esophagus.

But as his symptoms persisted over the next two years, his wife says the VA gave him painful tests and repeatedly lost the results. His wife says Soles was seen by a parade of constantly rotating resident doctors, and there was little consistency in his care.

Once, Soles was prepped for surgery but before the operation the doctors who were present couldn't agree on what they were going to do, she said.

Before he got sick, the 6-foot Soles weighed more than 200 pounds. By the time his family finally decided to take him to a private hospital, he weighed 80 pounds. Some VA doctors thought his problem was psychosomatic.

. . .Soles was rushed to a private hospital. There, Soles learned he was "a total mass of cancer from his trachea to his renal bowel. And that there was nothing that could be done," his wife says. Terry Soles died three days later.

later.http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/stor...2#.T29u7NlnC-A

[CJ7]

14% of 3000 hospitals made the cut ... 20 were VA centers

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/15/us...inds.html?_r=1

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Critics charge that one of the big problems facing the VA is that too much money goes toward administration, at the cost of nursing and patient care.

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/stor...2#.T29omtlnC-A

That's always one of the problems with government agencies; they have inflated costs for administration. That's partly why private schools can do a better job for about half the cost; they have drastically lower administrative costs. Plus the teacher's unions haven't ruined the private schools (yet).

Although Steven Jobs was a leftie, he was passionate about privatizing our education system by providing vouchers. He hated the teachers unions.