For the ladies, why is Santorum TOO conservative?

[Doove]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

It’s not “irrelevant” at all. Obama deceitfully equivocated – just like you are doing.

That's what politicians do. Kinda like when Ron Paul tries to deflect questions about his newsletters. Or how he also tries to rationalize inserting earmarks in bills, voting against the bill which he knows is going to pass, then claiming he's against earmarks because he voted against the bill.

If you want to continue arguing that Obama (or anyone else for that matter) is for infanticide, then hey, knock yourself out.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Doove

That's what politicians do. Kinda like when Ron Paul tries to deflect questions about his newsletters. Or how he also tries to rationalize inserting earmarks in bills, voting against the bill which he knows is going to pass, then claiming he's against earmarks because he voted against the bill.

Completely off topic.

Originally Posted by Doove

If you want to continue arguing that Obama (or anyone else for that matter) is for infanticide, then hey, knock yourself out.

On topic but in no manner refutes the fact that Obama hypocritically voted against a bill which met every precondition he set; thus, he voted against protecting the life of a 'living' infant.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

thus, he voted against protecting the life of a 'living' infant

Since there was already a law protecting the life of a "living" infant, then this bill was either 1)needlessly duplicative, or 2)a bill that had nothing to do with protecting the life of a "living" infant.

If your position is that it's not the latter, then perhaps you can explain the need to even introduce the bill in the first place.

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Ms Olivia, you didn't read the article either.

This is what I was saying exactly to:

Originally Posted by CJ7

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JD specifically said killed "AFTER BIRTH"


being aborted IS NOT being BORN.

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Not this:

Originally Posted by CJ7

the problem I have with morons is their inability to fucking read ..

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go carwl back in the culvert under the bridge IB, if we need some stupid shit comment from you we'll have whirlie ring a bell or something

I do not think Obama is in favor of infanticide.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Doove

Since there was already a law protecting the life of a "living" infant, then this bill was either 1)needlessly duplicative, or 2)a bill that had nothing to do with protecting the life of a "living" infant. Here, you are lying. The bill had everything to do with protecting the life of an infant.

If your position is that it's not the latter, then perhaps you can explain the need to even introduce the bill in the first place.

Final analysis, in all of your wormy deceit you still haven't refuted the fact that Obama hypocritically voted against a bill which met every precondition he set; thus, he voted against protecting the life of a 'living' infant.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

The bill had everything to do with protecting the life of an infant.

No it didn't.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Doove

No it didn't.

Doofus, you lie, obfuscate and deceive. This is from the cited article - paragraph #2:

"At issue is Obama’s opposition to Illinois legislation in 2001, 2002 and 2003 that would have defined any aborted fetus that showed signs of life as a "born alive infant" entitled to legal protection, even if doctors believe it could not survive."

This is Illinois Bill SB 1082:

LRB093 10540 MKM 10794 b 1 AN ACT concerning infants who are born alive. 2 Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois, 3 represented in the General Assembly: 4 Section 5. The Statute on Statutes is amended by adding 5 Section 1.36 as follows: 6 (5 ILCS 70/1.36 new) 7 Sec. 1.36. Born-alive infant. 8 (a) In determining the meaning of any statute or of any 9 rule, regulation, or interpretation of the various 10 administrative agencies of this State, the words "person", 11 "human being", "child", and "individual" include every infant 12 member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any 13 stage of development. 14 (b) As used in this Section, the term "born alive", with 15 respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the 16 complete expulsion or extraction from its mother of that 17 member, at any stage of development, who after that expulsion 18 or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of 19 the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary 20 muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been 21 cut and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction 22 occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean 23 section, or induced abortion. 24 (c) A live child born as a result of an abortion shall 25 be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate 26 protection under the law. 27 Section 99. Effective date. This Act takes effect upon 28 becoming law.

You have repeatedly, but unsuccessfully, attempted to misdirect the argument, but you have failed to refute Obama's hypocritical vote against a bill which met every precondition he set. He voted against protecting the life of a 'living' infant.

[CJ7]

skip the abortion bullshit, the women voters will shove the republicans back in the gutter when its time. Abortion is waaaaaaay down the list on the voters to do list.


abortion wont help the economy OR create jobs, and the republican candidates dont have an answer for either.

[JD Barleycorn]

We not talking about abortion any more. We're talking about murder plain and simple. The vast majority of Americans have come out against partial birth abortion. Partial birth abortion is where a child is turned so that the child comes out feet first. The birth process is paused with the head still inside (I know CJ7 and his friends love this part) and is therefore not born yet. A doctor takes a pair scissors and penetrates the back of the skull killing the baby. The brains are then sucked out and the skull imploded. The dead body then goes out with the trash. The key part is that the baby is not born (CJ and Obama standards) so whatever is done is legal. However, the American people understand what is happening and refuse to support this procedure. Apparently some people here are in favor of this and worse. I guess humanity is not everything.

Obama and the democrats would love to avoid this issue among many other social issues like promoting socialism.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

The vast majority of Americans have come out against partial birth abortion....The key part is that the baby is not born (CJ and Obama standards) so whatever is done is legal. However, the American people understand what is happening and refuse to support this procedure. Apparently some people here are in favor of this and worse. I guess humanity is not everything.

Obama and the democrats would love to avoid this issue among many other social issues like promoting socialism.

I think the vast majority of Americans have come out in sharing this position. Which is why you and IB Hankering have to twist Obama's position into something it's clearly not.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Doove

I think the vast majority of Americans have come out in sharing this position. Which is why you and IB Hankering have to twist Obama's position into something it's clearly not.

You lost Doofus: facts prevail over 'your' opinion.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

You lost Doofus: facts prevail over 'your' opinion.

ahhhhhh, the quintessential quoter of the courts slobbers yet again.


Obviously you stand behind the courts ruling since you keep c/p all over the thread, so lets delve into court decisions, shall we?

sure we shall.

Square ONE ...


THE COURT, ruled abortion was legal, a court ruling prevails OVER you and your ilk regardless how you spin and deflect. Everything you type/say IS YOUR OPINION...

can I call you the quintessential hypocrite? or do you prefer Eproctophiliac?

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by CJ7

ahhhhhh, the quintessential quoter of the courts slobbers yet again. Since you brought it up, you might want to wipe your chin, it seems the Little Blind Boy left you a 'sentimental deposit'.

Obviously you stand behind the courts ruling since you keep c/p all over the thread, so lets delve into court decisions, shall we?

sure we shall.

Square ONE ... But the Court has not ruled on Obamacare and its several, unconstitutional mandates.

THE COURT, ruled abortion was legal, a court ruling prevails OVER you and your ilk regardless how you spin and deflect. Everything you type/say IS YOUR OPINION...

can I call you the quintessential hypocrite? or do you prefer Eproctophiliac?No. Hypocrisy is your specialty as an Obamanite. Rest assured, that title is all yours.

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[Little Stevie]

Poor I.B.

[CJ7]

poor, poor IB.

such a vapid spin response, tis tisk

apparently since he handed me the hypocrite title, he prefers Eproctophiliac.

but we knew that already