Feedback would be appreciated...

[Spaulding Smails]

Personally, Gina, I love the idea. I typically incorporate a quick scoring system in my reviews, and believe such data would be highly complementary to P411. Writing reviews is time consuming if they are to be done right. A quick grading metric, especially in conjunction with the P411 verification, is a natural evolution, IMO. It will make P411 more valuable. Less searching on P411, then jumping to review boards to check reviews, before deciding to make an appt request or not. Of course, I'm not saying that it would replace reviews. But, scoring functionality would significantly raise P411's value proposition to its customers, IMO.

I love the idea.

[PocketRocket(s)]

Gina,

I think the system you are proposing will bring a dramatic increase in complaints rather than a decrease. Those that do not receive the highest ratings will demand to know why and petty arguments will ensue.

Instead, what I think you need to do is compose a detailed list of what is and is not a legitimate complaint. For example, there is a big difference between a provider that uses a few outdated photos and one that uses stolen photos. There is a big difference between a lady that does not show up for an appointment because it wasn't properly confirmed and a lady that NCNS.

You might consider creating some sort of complaint form and very clearly outline what is and is not a legitimate complaint.

PocketRocket(s)

[charlestudor2005]

Gina--

Although I'm not firmly pro or con on whether you should create this system (I really haven't made up my mind), I do have a couple of items to add in regard too time:

Provider:

Provided the agreed upon time in session (yes/no) (in other words she did not cut the session short)

Client:

Stayed the agreed upon time (yes/no) (in other words, he didn't overstay his welcome)
Time was added to session for which client paid (yes/no)

[GinaXXX]

Great feedback... thanks to everyone for taking the time to share. I have a lot to think about...

Always,
Gina

www.preferred411.com

[LazurusLong]

A small amount of added data might be a good idea.

Expanding the escorts ability to add a few words instead of just the OK, say up to a max of 20-25 characters, similar to how Ebay allows feedback on transactions, would help other escorts. That field should be restricted to NOT allow disclosure of private things such as handles on boards because the purpose of P411 is privacy not disclosure. Severe sanctions need imposed on any lady that breaks the rules if that is added will be needed.

One of the most critical things would be the NC/NS issue on both sides. BUT I would also restrict that to ONLY appointments requested through the P411 system. If a client calls and sets the appointment with no tracking in your site, it doesn't belong on the site, the escort has other means to post that and the same is true for the clients, if he does a request and she replies, (which I don't think the system tracks right now) then allow the indicator.

Other idea are good but the reliabilty of both sides is important.

The hygiene issue should be posted on other sites, not just P411 as many of those guys see new girls to avoid P411 in the first place.

Tracking back to the P411 account might be very hard to do unless the provider logs right on after a session that she knows was client xxx-xxx-xxxxxxx

[Chevalier]

Originally Posted by Carrie Hillcrest

I always contact the most recent ladies who have given an Okay on a client (Jane's idea of "okay" may not be my idea of "okay"), so an option to read their comments wouldn't make much difference to me; if they have anything positive or negative to say to me about him, they have an opportunity. . . .

However, if you do implement something like this, I'd strongly prefer the providers' comments on clients be kept hidden from clients. I don't think you'll get much honesty from the ladies otherwise.

Talking with the ladies he's seen most recently is ideal for those ladies who schedule sufficiently in advance. For those who don't, or would like a little bit more information with minimal effort, an online system with comments seems like a good idea. Some people have mentioned that it's better for the ladies to use "backchannels," but I get the impression those are not functioning as well as the ladies would like. A centralized system at P411 might be beneficial.

I had hoped it would be possible to have such a system with the guys at least able to see what the feedback was, although not tied to the individual lady to avoid blowback. On reflection, though, that probably wouldn't work. As long as the guys know what was said about them, it will still create ill will. Even hiding the comments/rating won't work, as some guys will be unhappy about the mere existence, even if they can't see them. In fact, their paranoia will lead them to think it's even worse than it is. Or their narcicism will make them think it's better.

But if the ladies need something like this, but you can't have it in P411 without the guys being unhappy, there is one possible solution. Announce that you're not doing it, then implement it so it isn't even visible to the guys, and swear the ladies to secrecy. Problem solved.

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by Chevalier

But if the ladies need something like this, but you can't have it in P411 without the guys being unhappy, there is one possible solution. Announce that you're not doing it, then implement it so it isn't even visible to the guys, and swear the ladies to secrecy. Problem solved.

And what do you do with trannies or hermaphrodites. Include them? Exclude them? Seems like this is supposed to be an inclusive community...just saying...

[1thatgotaway]

If the guys can see the comments or ratings they were given you greatly decrease the value to providers. No system is perfect, but if guys can see how they were rated the ladies will probably grade on a curve.

Many negative reviews I see are in the "men only" section for the same reason.

Their is a lot of space from one end of the good/bad customer continuum. This world like any other has its share of crazy people that the current "ok" system doesn't address. An "on a scale from 1 to 10" solution would be an improvement but still not ideal IMHO.

In the end the ladies are the customers you should to get input from. Our opinion isn't really that important (again IMHO). Guys use P411 because the ladies use it. Keep the ladies happy with the service and we fallow. (baa baa we are such sheep )


~1TGA

[urhuckleberry]

Originally Posted by swwaustin

As a P411 member I like the simplicity of the system. It is a tool that I use paired with other review boards. I like that the main purpose of P411 is to establish legitimacy of its members, and leaves the often drama created ratings to back channels or review boards.

I agree.

H

[stavinChain]

Gina,

DON'T DO IT!

Don't mess up a good thing. You've got one of the best sites in the biz. I swear by P411.

Why take on 1000 more headaches? Do what you do best - screen. Leave the reviews to the review boards.

KISS - Keep It Simple, uh, Sweetie.

[nycflyer]

A comment or two from a long-time satisfied P411 member:

- No reviews of companions by clients. Plenty of other sites do this, some of P411 ladies don't like reviews and likely you can spend your development costs more effectively elsewhere

- If one of the objectives of P411 is to provide the companion with information that would allow them to make a decision to see a client, then I would ask the ladies who have voiced their opinion (in this thread and others) what specific info they are looking for when, even with a client that has multiple OKs, they contact previous companions for additional feedback. If this data can be incorporated into client OKs---without causing any distress to the gents---then that would be something to look at.


I know you were only soliciting suggestions about reviews , but here are a few others:

a) An indicator on a companion's profile as to whether they are willing to travel.

b) Rates to be more clearly defined (as opposed to free text) for specific time frames. (1Hr, 2hrs, Lunch Date/3 Hrs, Dinner Date/4 Hrs??) If a specific time frame is not entered, then the user would know that's not an available option.

c) I used to live abroad and, as you probably know, when those guys venture to the States on occasion they are at a loss to get any verification as (in the case of England and Canada among others) the whole game is legal. If you could determine a way to link back/verify these guys from other review sites, you would be opening yourself up to a whole new population of potential users.

I have thought about how you could do "c" and if you are interested, please PM for specifics.

Thanks again for your excellent management of P411.

[zelazfan]

Gina, I'm still finding my way around, but wanted to share some thoughts.

As a newcumer, you've made it easy to get in - the P411 reference open doors, and I appreciate not having to submit my personal information to see meet each new (to me) provider. Thank you.

In addition to using P411 as a reference, I like the search option, but I always try to confirm what is advertised by looking for reviews on eccie. After all, YMMV.

You don't need to do provider reviews. There are enough sites doing that well enough already.

IMHO P411 is to let providers know I'm OK, while also allowing me to protect my own identity/privacy. The simplicity is part of the beauty of the system. You could expand this with a short list of yes/no questions - was the client on time? did the client pay the appropriate fee for time? good hygeine? would you recommend the client? would you see the client again? etc. Sum up the number of yesses, and that is the score for the client. Each client can have an average rating, and scores from each provider, but not know the individual yes/no answers. To allow more detailed review of the client would invite more petty complaints. And as Carrie Hillcrest and babee suggested, individual providers can always contact references for details about the rating given.

I think I've given more than my $.02

[KlassyKelliAnn]

Originally Posted by Tiffany Cums

Gina, thank you so much for such of a fantastic site that I get about 99% of my business from! If it wasn't for you, I wouldn't be able to indulge in such of a great thing.

I think that you would be asking for trouble implementing a new system like that. First off, the gentlemen are the ones paying for the service, I do not beleive they should be rated at all...just a simple 'ok' is wonderful. If you would like a bit more then that, then perhaps something along the lines of what datecheck does...

Option #1 - Yes, I have met and I HIGHLY RECOMMEND. (Request is Approved)
Option #2 - Yes, I have met and I RECOMMEND. (Request is Approved)
Option #3 - Yes, I have met this member and YMMV. (Request is Approved)
Option #4 - No, I have NOT met this person. (Request is DECLINED)
Option #5 - Send an email requesting more info. (Request Remains Pending)
Option #6 - Yes, I have met and I DO NOT RECOMMEND. (WARNING)

As far as rating them based on Hygiene, timeliness, etc., that is such of a YMMV type of thing, and considering it is their dime, I don't think they should be rated like that. Now as far as rating the ladies, well that is like a review...perhaps you should just continue with the excellant service you do provide for everyone and let the reviews remain on the review boards. With all of that being said, P411 is my home, and whatever changes you decide to make I am sure you will make it work! We love you Gina!

Hi Gina,

Thanks for asking for our input! I am a proud member of P411 and I think whatever changes you make it will be for the better because you have already come this far with a great site. I think it is a good idea as I would want to know that info on a client before hand, but much of that can be found and exchanged with other providers when doing reference checks. I really tend to agree almost wholeheartedly with Tiffany's quote above. I think this form Datecheck uses is a great way to validate our clients. For the providers I also agree that the info is good to share and I welcome it because it is like an "okay" or review of sorts for us that we pretty much dont have at the moment. Anyway, I hope this helps. Good Luck! I am here for you!

Respectfully,

Klassy Kelli Ann Preston

[KlassyKelliAnn]

Originally Posted by zelazfan

IMHO P411 is to let providers know I'm OK, while also allowing me to protect my own identity/privacy. The simplicity is part of the beauty of the system. You could expand this with a short list of yes/no questions - was the client on time? did the client pay the appropriate fee for time? good hygeine? would you recommend the client? would you see the client again? etc. Sum up the number of yesses, and that is the score for the client. Each client can have an average rating, and scores from each provider, but not know the individual yes/no answers. To allow more detailed review of the client would invite more petty complaints. And as Carrie Hillcrest and babee suggested, individual providers can always contact references for details about the rating given.

I think I've given more than my $.02

Gina, me again, lol.

There are indeed so many great ideas posted here. I also agree with the quote above. I am kinda torn now.....

-KKA

[charlestudor2005]

After thinking about it, Gina, I don't think you should change a thing!!