What constitutes an Alert?

[69er]

Originally Posted by London Rayne

Oh wow, I actually did not know that about the NCNS. I was under the impression you guys COULD put that in the review section. Now I am a bit baffled lol. I agree that they should be attached to the girl's review profile so you guys have a record of her patterns. Very odd indeed.

I heartily agree. I believe most of the membership agrees. How do we get the mods to make this happen?

The threats of a bad review for a make up session is not an alert though...it's drama! No one knows who is telling the truth on this one and women pull that crap all the time...so do guys. That is a matter to be take up privately with the mods...the entire board does not need to know about it. Same goes for women crying about a bad review..get over it or tell a mod to find out if the guy saw you or not by asking him details like what hotel you stayed in.

Exactly my point. If these are not alert worthy, then the vast majority of what is in there, should also be moved to CoED. I think the decision of what stays in there is being applied in a very inconsistent manner.

Rather than some catchall phrase regarding safety, a couple examples of what does and doesn't constitute alert worthiness would help keep posters putting information in the correct place. I hazard the real issue, is that the mods can't agree on what is and isn't. So how are we to figure it out?

[Guest082216-1]

Well, I removed nothing for their posts. I thought it might be more consistant reading if I pointed out some things as people read. In so many cases, people read a post or 2 in a thread instead of the whole thing, then make ill informed posts. But, your point is taken. Just know there was no ulterier motive for doing so and no specific agenda because of it other than trying to make it more understandable. Thanks for your stating your concern.

Originally Posted by Fort Worth Punk

OK, I'm going to say it.

Editing other people's posts for your own commentary is flat out wrong.

If you want to respond, make your own post.

And, yeah, this is a threadjack, but this is absolutely the best place for the comment.

[Guest082216-1]

NCNS is an entirely different topic. Please, stay on topic and dont hijack the thread with a totaly different subject

[Sleepy363]

Originally Posted by still-asleep

I also got a warning for not agreeing with bubba.

Of course that thread should be an alert by any normal sense. ( I agree- Bubba) Not sure why many of these threads that are most certainly alert worthy are always moved and deemed otherwise. It makes no sense. It is completely defeating the purpose of the alert section.

Theft should most definitely be considered alert worthy.... and this was theft. I guarantee you that if this exact scenario happened to the moderator who moved the thread, that there would be an alert for it. You would loose a lot of money on that bet bubba

Why are you editing my posts just to reply? If you have a moderator function you need to do, you can edit it, but just to put in your 2 cents? There is no reason to use your ability to edit my post just to throw in a reply. You can quote my post and reply like anyone else.

[Guest082216-1]

I happen to agree with you upon both points.
3 things
1. Many of the posts are no where near even a liberal application of the current definition of what should be in the Alert forum and should be elseware. But if its not current, no one is going to waste the time to move something no longer relivent
2. It is not uniformaly applied. Some of that is many times its not a cut and dried issue. Depending on the mod, some may decide one way and another a different way. If I disagree with another mods desision then I talk it over with him and then leave it to him to decide if it should be moved or not.
3. We do give more leaway to the ladies because of the limited access to the ladies only forums. Most of ther posts would be better there but untill they get PR access, they have to go somewhere.

There are other forums "alerts" get posted in. For example, problems with strippers, agencies,or amps generaly get posted to the related forums. Makes sense, theses are speclized forums and posting related alerts n those forums insures those most likely to need to know see the info.

There are many posts that would be considered alerts and justifibly so. Its where they should go that can be hard to decide sometimes. Which forum will insure the most people likely to be affected get the message?

The concern that some events might have turned out differently is a valid concern but its not what was reported. All we have to work with is what is reported.

Personaly, I would agree attempts to get around screening is an alert forum post. It puts the provider in a very dangerous situation. As long as access to PR is restricted, its the best place to put such information.

LL: if a guy prepays and does not get service by all means let people know. But, it put the hobbiest in no danger so it does not belong in the Alert Forum. Also, if you look at what I actualy quoted from Jamie's list of examples, you will notice not getting paid was not in the list.

J.G., You CAN post about getting ripped off and you should. That is not an issue. The current question is where to post it. It simply does not meet the current definition of the Alert forum.

As I said before, If you feel it should be in the Alert forum, post it there. Worst case is it gets moved to a different forum that will give it the proper exposure. if you disagree with such a move, RTM the post so a different mod can look at it and help decide where is should be.

Dont get so hung up on if its alert worthy. If your concerned and want others to know about a situation, post it. That is not the issue at all. Its where you post it that is.

This is a good discussion. The mods do not make the rules, but sometimes we have to use our judgement. None of us are perfect though we try our best.

Originally Posted by 69er

I heartily agree. I believe most of the membership agrees. How do we get the mods to make this happen?



Exactly my point. If these are not alert worthy, then the vast majority of what is in there, should also be moved to CoED. I think the decision of what stays in there is being applied in a very inconsistent manner.
Rather than some catch all phrase regarding safety, a couple examples of what does and doesn't constitute alert worthiness would help keep posters putting information in the correct place. I hazard the real issue, is that the mods can't agree on what is and isn't. So how are we to figure it out?

[Guest082216-1]

Already answered. If you would look up two posts. Exealent example of how people do not read all the posts but just jump in and post. FYI, I did go back and remove my comments since it seems to be a concern to several people.

Also, you did not get a warning for not agreeing with someone, you got a warning becasue you started talking about a different subject instead of staying on topic

Originally Posted by still-asleep

Why are you editing my posts just to reply? If you have a moderator function you need to do, you can edit it, but just to put in your 2 cents? There is no reason to use your ability to edit my post just to throw in a reply. You can quote my post and reply like anyone else.

[Guest082216-1]

Originally Posted by trynagetlaid

69er, if the thread you referenced fits the category of general fyi material, then someone needs to buy themselves a new dictionary.

The OP's safety might not have been in imminent danger, in fact he handled the situation quite sensibly, but a more volatile person might have reacted differently. What would you do if you happened on the scene just as the girls and pimp were vacating the room? In that scenario how many lives could have been endangered?

Any time one person tries to steal or scam another person out of their hard-earned cash, the possibility exists for a bad ending.

For members with limited time to access the site, I should think the top priorities would be 1) provider ads 2) reviews, and 3) alerts. There might not be enough time to read thru all the fluff in the coed section. This was definitely a bad call, IMO.

The OPs safety was NEVER IN DANGER. She never showed up. I think you are referencing a differernt thread.

[Sleepy363]

Originally Posted by Bubba3452

Already answered. if you would look up two posts. Exalent example of how people do not read all the posts but just jump in and post.

I replied as I read through the thread. There is no need to berate me for pointing out something you obviously shouldn't have done as I saw it... and the word is Excellent, not Exalent. If you need to point anything else out, please pm me to do so. I don't want to distract from the thread topic on alerts.

[Guest022315]

With Bubba on this one. Prepay and the aftermath does not constitute an alert. Poor judgement hell yes but not an alert. If the OP in the Foxy Roxxy thread was hijacked, body harm, what have you that is another issue.

[Guest082216-1]

Originally Posted by Thatdude

With Bubba on this one. Prepay and the aftermath does not constitute an alert. Poor judgement hell yes but not an alert. If the OP in the Foxy Roxxy thread was hijacked, body harm, what have you that is another issue.

Again, I am not saying situations like this should not be reported. They should. Its an issue of where to report it.

[guest061212-1]

Bubba, thanks for clarifying some of the current standards and admitting there are flaws in it's application.

I think what the membership needs/wants to do is voice their opinion and the staff / owners should listen for a bit.

I think we understand what the policies are now. What we are saying is that we would like them modified to be more in line with what many of us grew up with in the hobby.

It used to be that if I researched a gal, I needed to look 3 places for pertinent information: The review section, the alert section, and the men's lounge.

Under the current rules and application of them, a hobbyist now needs to add the coed section which adds an enormous amount of time wading through useless bullshit to glean any useful information about the next independent contractor they want to hire. It is been my experience over the years that many do not read the coed discussion areas; particularly the lurkers. It's a drama area many avoid or have read the same old questions a million times.

For the hobbyist, this place is the Better Business Bureau of sex workers.

With the technological advances made by Eccie, some of the new tools such as linking reviews is skewed by not including the NCNS reviews. We know by the growth and mix of the population of the community and the nature of the beast, so some flakiness is to be expected.

I have a suggestion/proposal: Link the NCNS reviews in the future. Move them to coed if you must so the provider can respond. For the review to be linked, it must meet certain criteria. It must be a confirmed appointment with screening completed, three days must pass so the provider has a chance to contact the client and give him the lame hospital excuse that is so popular, and then the review would be considered a valid complaint. The point being is that if a provider is a "super-flake", it will show in her review history.

Information is power and the current guidelines are hiding information when it could be very easily obtained with some simple changes.

ALERTS:

If a girl does not play the game straight up and takes money and does not provide service, she upsells, cash and dashes, or somehow plays a con game or threatens you, etc. it should be an ALERT, IMO.If a guy harasses a gal, tries to extort her or threaten her using the boards forums, doesn't pay, steals from her, has non-consensual bareback, or the usual litany of bad behaviors, then he is fair game for an alert.


Most of these guys are suckers and not saavy like those who have a lot of notches in their belt. Other than traffic violations, this may be the only other criminal activity they participate in. This is the shallow end of "the game". The forums and tools are designed to help this poor guy avoid problems while just trying to get some much needed attention from a pretty girl. However, the data is skewed and the negative information hidden from the casual or occasional reader. Not everyone logins in 9 times a day and reads every freakin post.


I haven't an opinion on linking alerts, yet. I do think alerts of all types should be and stay in the alerts section. It is coed and the ladies may respond there. No need to keep the alerts section so narrow that good information is lost by being put in the local coed general discussion area.

I do think a provider who repeatedly rips people off, regardless of the stupidity of the hobbyist, should lose her provider status until she changes her ways. Provider status is for LEGIT providers. It should not be just a designation they are not LE, but because they have a good rep for playing the game straight up and are not known for being a security risk or a threat to ones safety.


Ladies, What do you think? Is this reasonable? The provider pool has been watered down and the women who give you a bad name should be easily identifiable and if necessary, weeded out. IMO. Do you ladies agree? Do you have some positive suggestions for the staff? What are your observations?


Guys, chime in! The staff needs your opinion. Just keep it civil.

[Guest082216-1]

JG, much to think about and how to do some things, etc. However, this is a thread about the Alert forum. Lets leave NCNS out of it for now. One step at a time, that sort of thing. We can always repen that discussion in a different thread.

FYI, this is being discussed by staff as well. We all want the site to be as user friendly as possible. Dont forget, mods are members too. Currently, the site is set up with a some specific rules, etc. Untill I am told differently, I am obligated to enforce those policies and rules as best I can.

Oh. also remember there may sometimes be behind the scenes, legal, technicial, owners personal preferences, etc that may affect how the site is run. ultimatly, its the owners site and they will decide what we can and cannot do.

Keep the comments coming as long as they are civil.

[Guest022315]

I just think prepay issues does not constitute an alert. Coed discussions fine or even in ML ok but an Alert come on.

[London Rayne]

Originally Posted by 69er

I heartily agree. I believe most of the membership agrees. How do we get the mods to make this happen?



Exactly my point. If these are not alert worthy, then the vast majority of what is in there, should also be moved to CoED. I think the decision of what stays in there is being applied in a very inconsistent manner.

Rather than some catchall phrase regarding safety, a couple examples of what does and doesn't constitute alert worthiness would help keep posters putting information in the correct place. I hazard the real issue, is that the mods can't agree on what is and isn't. So how are we to figure it out?

I have to crawl before I walk with you Texans lol, so you're on your own my man.

[trynagetlaid]

Originally Posted by Bubba3452

The OPs safety was NEVER IN DANGER. She never showed up. I think you are referencing a differernt thread.

She and Kari did show up and worked Wednesday night and Thursday. He was supposed to see her Friday. What if they had waited to leave until Friday and he came for his appointment as they were leaving?

I for one don't want to pick up the morning paper and read about ECCIE Member 69er being shot and killed in the parking lot of Insert name of hotel here by Insert name of pimp here. This scenario is not that far fetched.

Like I said, any time a provider and her pimp fleece a hobbyist out of his hard earned cash, a peaceful resolution is not guaranteed. That's why I feel strongly that thread and others like it are alert worthy.

Where does it state in the forum rules that theft/extortion/scamming/fleecing or call it whatever you want it cases don't endanger the community?