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Old 11-07-2011, 10:39 AM   #1
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Who lost Iraq?



By Charles Krauthammer, Published: November 3


Barack Obama was a principled opponent of the Iraq war from its beginning. But when he became president in January 2009, he was handed a war that was won. The surge had succeeded. Al-Qaeda in Iraq had been routed, driven to humiliating defeat by an Anbar Awakening of Sunnis fighting side-by-side with the infidel Americans. Even more remarkably, the Shiite militias had been taken down, with U.S. backing, by the forces of Shiite Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. They crushed the Sadr militias from Basra to Sadr City.
Al-Qaeda decimated. A Shiite prime minister taking a decisively nationalist line. Iraqi Sunnis ready to integrate into a new national government. U.S. casualties at their lowest ebb in the entire war. Elections approaching. Obama was left with but a single task: Negotiate a new status-of-forces agreement (SOFA) to reinforce these gains and create a strategic partnership with the Arab world’s only democracy.

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He blew it. Negotiations, such as they were, finally collapsed last month. There is no agreement, no partnership. As of Dec. 31, the U.S. military presence in Iraq will be liquidated.
And it’s not as if that deadline snuck up on Obama. He had three years to prepare for it. Everyone involved, Iraqi and American, knew that the 2008 SOFA calling for full U.S. withdrawal was meant to be renegotiated. And all major parties but one (the Sadr faction) had an interest in some residual stabilizing U.S. force, like the postwar deployments in Japan, Germany and Korea.
Three years, two abject failures. The first was the administration’s inability, at the height of American post-surge power, to broker a centrist nationalist coalition governed by the major blocs — one predominantly Shiite (Maliki’s), one predominantly Sunni (Ayad Allawi’s), one Kurdish — that among them won a large majority (69 percent) of seats in the 2010 election.
Vice President Biden was given the job. He failed utterly. The government ended up effectively being run by a narrow sectarian coalition where the balance of power is held by the relatively small (12 percent) Iranian-client Sadr faction.
The second failure was the SOFA itself. U.S. commanders recommended nearly 20,000 troops, considerably fewer than our 28,500 in Korea, 40,000 in Japan and 54,000 in Germany. The president rejected those proposals, choosing instead a level of 3,000 to 5,000 troops.
A deployment so risibly small would have to expend all its energies simply protecting itself — the fate of our tragic, missionless 1982 Lebanon deployment — with no real capability to train the Iraqis, build their U.S.-equipped air force, mediate ethnic disputes (as we have successfully done, for example, between local Arabs and Kurds), operate surveillance and special-ops bases, and establish the kind of close military-to-military relations that undergird our strongest alliances.
The Obama proposal was an unmistakable signal of unseriousness. It became clear that he simply wanted out, leaving any Iraqi foolish enough to maintain a pro-American orientation exposed to Iranian influence, now unopposed and potentially lethal. Message received. Just this past week, Massoud Barzani, leader of the Kurds — for two decades the staunchest of U.S. allies — visited Tehran to bend a knee to both President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
It didn’t have to be this way. Our friends did not have to be left out in the cold to seek Iranian protection. Three years and a won war had given Obama the opportunity to establish a lasting strategic alliance with the Arab world’s second most important power.
He failed, though he hardly tried very hard. The excuse is Iraqi refusal to grant legal immunity to U.S. forces. But the Bush administration encountered the same problem and overcame it. Obama had little desire to. Indeed, he portrays the evacuation as a success, the fulfillment of a campaign promise.
But surely the obligation to defend the security and the interests of the nation supersede personal vindication. Obama opposed the war, but when he became commander in chief the terrible price had already been paid in blood and treasure. His obligation was to make something of that sacrifice, to secure the strategic gains that sacrifice had already achieved.
He did not, failing at precisely what this administration so flatters itself for doing so well: diplomacy. After years of allegedly clumsy brutish force, Obama was to usher in an era of not hard power, not soft power, but smart power.
Which turns out in Iraq to be . . . no power. Years from now, we will be asking not “Who lost Iraq?” — that already is clear — but “Why?”
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Yeah, Iraq is Obama's fault....you're high.
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Old 11-07-2011, 02:45 PM   #3
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Obama promised to end the wars. He lied. It's his now. He not only lied about ending the wars, he is expanding wars. And now, the only reason we are leaving Iraq is because the Iraqis are throwing us out. If Obama had his way, we would stay.
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Old 11-07-2011, 06:04 PM   #4
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Bush said we were going into Iraq because they had Weapons of Mass Destruction. He lied the most and got us into this mess. But I guess that's o.k. with the Republicans.
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Bush said we were going into Iraq because they had Weapons of Mass Destruction. He lied the most and got us into this mess. But I guess that's o.k. with the Republicans.
there were weapons of mass destruction, there just weren't stock piles of WMD........
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IAEA says Iran on the brink of nukes; Ron Paul says 'offer friendship'

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The UN's nuclear watchdog, the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) is releasing a report this week on Iran's nuclear program, and leaked details reveal that thanks to assistance from foreign scientists, the mad mullahs are on the brink of possessing nuclear weapons. Joby Warrick reports in the Washington Post:
Intelligence provided to U.N. nuclear officials shows that Iran's government has mastered the critical steps needed to build a nuclear weapon, receiving assistance from foreign scientists to overcome key technical hurdles, according to Western diplomats and nuclear experts briefed on the findings.
Documents and other records provide new details on the role played by a former Soviet weapons scientist who allegedly tutored Iranians over several years on building high-precision detonators of the kind used to trigger a nuclear chain reaction, the officials and experts said. Crucial technology linked to experts in Pakistan and North Korea also helped propel Iran to the threshold of nuclear capability, they added.
The officials, citing secret intelligence provided over several years to the International Atomic Energy Agency, said the records reinforce concerns that Iran continued to conduct weapons-related research after 2003 - when, U.S. intelligence agencies believe, Iranian leaders halted such experiments in response to international and domestic pressures.
Rumors continue to swirl of a pre-emptive strike from Israel to destroy critical nuclear facilities, preventing the Twelvers in Iran from triggering nuclear Armageddon in order to bring about the return of the 12th Mahdi, and achieving the proclaimed goal of wiping Israel from the map.
Meanwhile, presidential candidate Ron Paul seems to believe that we can get along with Iran, that the Twelvers will renounce their deepest religious beliefs and give up their genocidal intentions toward Jews, if only we reach out to them in friendship. AP reports:
GOP presidential hopeful Ron Paul says "offering friendship" to Iran, not sanctions, would be a more fruitful to achieving peace with Tehran.
The Texas congressman says fears about Iran's nuclear program have been "blown out of proportion." He says tough penalties are a mistake because, as he says was the case in Iraq, they only hurt the local population and still paved a path to war.
When asked on "Fox News Sunday" what he would do to deter Iran's alleged nuclear ambitions, Paul said "maybe offering friendship to them."
I love Rep. Paul's positions on cutting federal spending. But his belief that American attitudes are at the root of the Iranians' madness is deeply mistaken.



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I can't amagine what the equivilent of the helicopter being shoved off of the building will be, but I have no doubt that as we really start to move out, you will probably see what would have happenned if the people of Iraq had managed, on their own, to oust the Saddam Thug-ocrasy, that being, all out civil war.

This Civil War will, of course, to be antagonized by Iran.

One thing that has always puzzled me. For all of those who are so against the US ousting Saddam, does that mean that you were ok with him continuing, and then handing over that absolute power to those two thug Sons of his, taking over for another generation. Rape rooms, shallow graves, overbearing repression, lobbing missles at Isreal, just inflicting general mahem on the World Stage?
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One thing that has always puzzled me. For all of those who are so against the US ousting Saddam, does that mean that you were ok with him continuing, and then handing over that absolute power to those two thug Sons of his, taking over for another generation. Rape rooms, shallow graves, overbearing repression, lobbing missles at Isreal, just inflicting general mahem on the World Stage?
Jesus H Christ man....Do you fucking feed others while your family starves?

What a stupid fucking question. Are you a liberal nation building titty baby?
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Was that an answer?
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Bush said we were going into Iraq because they had Weapons of Mass Destruction. He lied the most and got us into this mess. But I guess that's o.k. with the Republicans.
Louie, you are right on this one. Republicans are idiots, too.

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