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Old 10-26-2011, 10:34 AM   #1
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Default The Real Liberal/Conservative Test !!!

Does reading this (see Bloomberg linked story) make your blood boil? If you answer yes, chances are you are a Conservative, if no then you are a big spending, union loving liberal....

BTW; why is it that these kinds of outrages only happen in the Democratically dominated States?


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-1...ime-binge.html

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Old 10-26-2011, 08:15 PM   #2
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So parties to a contract honoring their agreement is a liberal position? Glad to know that.
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Old 10-26-2011, 08:50 PM   #3
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that contract is too generous.
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It's still a contract. The state may want to renegotiate, but there is nothing in the article that says she was committing a fraud or anything. She just took advantage of the terms of the contract. Gotta side with TTH on this one.
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California would be better served by doing away with collective bargaining for public employees; like other states are doing...collective bargaining rights were granted to unions by the liberal wing-nut Gov. Jerry Brown and has resulted in union rules that favor unions over the taxpayers of California.
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California would be better served by doing away with collective bargaining for public employees; like other states are doing...collective bargaining rights were granted to unions by the liberal wing-nut Gov. Jerry Brown and has resulted in union rules that favor unions over the taxpayers of California.
Actually, Jerry has been mostly anti-public employee union. But that's beside the point. Once there is an agreement that is enforceable, are you suggesting that one party can just welch on their deal?
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Lawyer double speak; if the deal isn't enforceable then it it isn't welching !

The bigger picture is just how far left your (and Obama) poltiics are if you aren't outraged by such a sweetheart deal for public sector unions !


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Actually, Jerry has been mostly anti-public employee union. But that's beside the point. Once there is an agreement that is enforceable, are you suggesting that one party can just welch on their deal?
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Old 10-27-2011, 09:51 AM   #8
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TTH is correct that a contract is and should be honored. However, the people need to start firing politicians that agree to such crazy contracts. The other side is why is staffing being managed so poorly that high cost overtime is necessary? Maybe some management personel need to be fired also. Either way it is typical of a government bureaucracy where the cost to taxpayers is not a concern.
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No; but politicans (and others) who put the interests of unions ahead of taxpayers are !

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So parties to a contract honoring their agreement is a liberal position? Glad to know that.
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“Quietly go to work on your own self-awareness. If you want to awaken all of humanity, then awaken all of yourself. If you want to eliminate the suffering in the world, then eliminate all that is dark and negative in yourself. Truly, the greatest gift you have to give is that of your own self-transformation.”

~ Lao Tzu, Hua Hu Ching ~ [/B]
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