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Old 08-07-2011, 11:17 AM   #16
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What Your Country Can Do For You, But What You Can Do For Your Country.

I heard that in a speech way back when I was about 14, it must have not been very important, since nobody paid attention.

Or maybe it has been re-translated into language that fits the Party that the man who made the speech was a member of.

"Hey, dude, were's my check".
Those words came from a speech by John F. Kennedy
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Old 08-07-2011, 11:30 AM   #17
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Dude who the fuc was your history teacher?

This country's problem is that folks want something for nothing. The left wants entitlements(well the right wants them too...see how they cried when Medicade was discussed about being downsized) and the right want to spen blindly on the military.

And we have a huge segment of society (You whirlaway) that do not even understand the facts.....



http://conservativesarecommunistss.b. ..-stockman.html


Stage 1. Nixon irresponsible, dumps gold, U.S starts spending binge

Richard Nixon's gold policies get Stockman's first assault, for defaulting "on American obligations under the 1944 Bretton Woods agreement to balance our accounts with the world." So for the past 40 years, America's been living "beyond our means as a nation" on "borrowed prosperity on an epic scale ... an outcome that Milton Friedman said could never happen when, in 1971, he persuaded President Nixon to unleash on the world paper dollars no longer redeemable in gold or other fixed monetary reserves."

Remember Friedman: "Just let the free market set currency exchange rates, he said, and trade deficits will self-correct." Friedman was wrong by trillions. And unfortunately "once relieved of the discipline of defending a fixed value for their currencies, politicians the world over were free to cheapen their money and disregard their neighbors."

And without discipline America was also encouraging "global monetary chaos as foreign central banks run their own printing presses at ever faster speeds to sop up the tidal wave of dollars coming from the Federal Reserve." Yes, the road to the coming apocalypse began with a Republican president listening to a misguided Nobel economist's advice.

Stage 2. Crushing debts from domestic excesses, war mongering

Stockman says "the second unhappy change in the American economy has been the extraordinary growth of our public debt. In 1970 it was just 40% of gross domestic product, or about $425 billion. When it reaches $18 trillion, it will be 40 times greater than in 1970." Who's to blame? Not big-spending Dems, says Stockman, but "from the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."

Back "in 1981, traditional Republicans supported tax cuts," but Stockman makes clear, they had to be "matched by spending cuts, to offset the way inflation was pushing many taxpayers into higher brackets and to spur investment. The Reagan administration's hastily prepared fiscal blueprint, however, was no match for the primordial forces -- the welfare state and the warfare state -- that drive the federal spending machine."

OK, stop a minute. As you absorb Stockman's indictment of how his Republican party has "destroyed the U.S. economy," you're probably asking yourself why anyone should believe a traitor to the Reagan legacy. I believe party affiliation is irrelevant here. This is a crucial subject that must be explored because it further exposes a dangerous historical trend where politics is so partisan it's having huge negative consequences.

Yes, the GOP does have a welfare-warfare state: Stockman says "the neocons were pushing the military budget skyward. And the Republicans on Capitol Hill who were supposed to cut spending, exempted from the knife most of the domestic budget -- entitlements, farm subsidies, education, water projects. But in the end it was a new cadre of ideological tax-cutters who killed the Republicans' fiscal religion."

When Fed chief Paul Volcker "crushed inflation" in the '80s we got a "solid economic rebound." But then "the new tax-cutters not only claimed victory for their supply-side strategy but hooked Republicans for good on the delusion that the economy will outgrow the deficit if plied with enough tax cuts." By 2009, they "reduced federal revenues to 15% of gross domestic product," lowest since the 1940s. Still today they're irrationally demanding an extension of those "unaffordable Bush tax cuts [that] would amount to a bankruptcy filing."

Recently Bush made matters far worse by "rarely vetoing a budget bill and engaging in two unfinanced foreign military adventures." Bush also gave in "on domestic spending cuts, signing into law $420 billion in nondefense appropriations, a 65% percent gain from the $260 billion he had inherited eight years earlier. Republicans thus joined the Democrats in a shameless embrace of a free-lunch fiscal policy." Takes two to tango.

Stage 3. Wall Street's deadly 'vast, unproductive expansion'

Stockman continues pounding away: "The third ominous change in the American economy has been the vast, unproductive expansion of our financial sector." He warns that "Republicans have been oblivious to the grave danger of flooding financial markets with freely printed money and, at the same time, removing traditional restrictions on leverage and speculation." Wrong, not oblivious. Self-interested Republican loyalists like Paulson, Bernanke and Geithner knew exactly what they were doing.

They wanted the economy, markets and the government to be under the absolute control of Wall Street's too-greedy-to-fail banks. They conned Congress and the Fed into bailing out an estimated $23.7 trillion debt. Worse, they have since destroyed meaningful financial reforms. So Wall Street is now back to business as usual blowing another bigger bubble/bust cycle that will culminate in the coming "American Apocalypse."

Stockman refers to Wall Street's surviving banks as "wards of the state." Wrong, the opposite is true. Wall Street now controls Washington, and its "unproductive" trading is "extracting billions from the economy with a lot of pointless speculation in stocks, bonds, commodities and derivatives." Wall Street banks like Goldman were virtually bankrupt, would have never survived without government-guaranteed deposits and "virtually free money from the Fed's discount window to cover their bad bets."

Stage 4. New American Revolution class-warfare coming soon

Finally, thanks to Republican policies that let us "live beyond our means for decades by borrowing heavily from abroad, we have steadily sent jobs and production offshore," while at home "high-value jobs in goods production ... trade, transportation, information technology and the professions shrunk by 12% to 68 million from 77 million."

As the apocalypse draws near, Stockman sees a class-rebellion, a new revolution, a war against greed and the wealthy. Soon. The trigger will be the growing gap between economic classes: No wonder "that during the last bubble (from 2002 to 2006) the top 1% of Americans -- paid mainly from the Wall Street casino -- received two-thirds of the gain in national income, while the bottom 90% -- mainly dependent on Main Street's shrinking economy -- got only 12%. This growing wealth gap is not the market's fault. It's the decaying fruit of bad economic policy."
Yea this all leads up to the Endgame, which will entail some sort of domestic revolution. thats right Wallstreet controls washington. Our country has for a long time been controled by criminal activity. The philosophy right now is to totally ruin our economy and then bring it back under a a Global Economy. Some like to use " New World order" whatever. Now we can sit here and submitt to their bullshit and let them enslave us or we can fight our way back to the Country we were suppose to be born into. Many groups will be formed to lead those in this fight. I truly believe we will have a war against our own government we will stop believing their bullshit and we will stop doing what they tell us and we will win.
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Old 08-07-2011, 05:36 PM   #18
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Stockman continues pounding away: "The third ominous change in the American economy has been the vast, unproductive expansion of our financial sector." He warns that "Republicans have been oblivious to the grave danger of flooding financial markets with freely printed money and, at the same time, removing traditional restrictions on leverage and speculation." Wrong, not oblivious. Self-interested Republican loyalists like Paulson, Bernanke and Geithner knew exactly what they were doing.

Paulson and Geithner are Democrates. Bernanke is a Bilderberg like Clinton and the Bushes.
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Old 08-07-2011, 07:08 PM   #19
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I was being trite when I said "I heard that in a speech". I am one of the guys on this board who is old enough to remember the inaugral speech, because I watched it on TV, black and white no doubt.
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I was being trite when I said "I heard that in a speech". I am one of the guys on this board who is old enough to remember the inaugral speech, because I watched it on TV, black and white no doubt.
Since you brought it up, I can certainly recall the days before "Live And In Color" became an option!
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Old 08-08-2011, 09:43 AM   #21
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I think the socialists of the left have been contained. They simply have run out of other people's money at this point and their whole agenda, like their shrill global warming hoax are being figured out by more people every day. Many of their lapdog media mouthpieces don't even bother to feign being unbiased anymore, and they still can't prop up the house of cards.

My concern is that the TEA party will be co opted by the socialists of the right; the religious zealots who want to impose their will instead of abide by the Constitution, just like the socialists on the left want to do. Perry's politically motivated prayer meeting is as much show business as Obamster posing for photos over a soldier's casket. I'd rather see grid lock.
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I think the socialists of the left have been contained. They simply have run out of other people's money at this point and their whole agenda, like their shrill global warming hoax are being figured out by more people every day. Many of their lapdog media mouthpieces don't even bother to feign being unbiased anymore, and they still can't prop up the house of cards.

My concern is that the TEA party will be co opted by the socialists of the right; the religious zealots who want to impose their will instead of abide by the Constitution, just like the socialists on the left want to do. Perry's politically motivated prayer meeting is as much show business as Obamster posing for photos over a soldier's casket. I'd rather see grid lock.
This Man understands. True Republicans and Old School Democrates. We can solve this BS.
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It is something worthy of concern but I don't think it will happen. The Tea Party base is all about economic issues...they work hard at staying out of the social matters that can divide and implode the Tea Party....

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Since you brought it up, I can certainly recall the days before "Live And In Color" became an option!
We got our 1st color TV in 1973 and our 1st car with factory air in 72. My dad added an after-market AC on our 64 Galaxy
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This Man understands. True Republicans and Old School Democrates. We can solve this BS.
I won't argue with this. I think the biggest mistake either side can make is to declare absolute wills or won'ts.

Or sign special interest group pledges. It can turn into the " Glorious Loyalty Oath Crusade" from Catch 22.
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I was being trite when I said "I heard that in a speech". I am one of the guys on this board who is old enough to remember the inaugral speech, because I watched it on TV, black and white no doubt.
On that day I was about three. But I've heard the that speech in full many times as an adult. He didn't use a teleprompter and wouldn't need one. I've been told he wrote that speech himself.
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