Soooo....

[kcbigpapa]

Will the people of Joplin, Sedalia and Reading get the help they need?

Funds for tornado victims to be offset

[CuteOldGuy]

Doesn't anybody realize that the government is broke?

[kcbigpapa]

That's a ridiculous response. Do you think Eric Cantor would be spouting the same stupid BS if these disasters happened in his district? Fuck no. You don't hold these victims hostage because of political games.

[CuteOldGuy]

The national debt is not a political game. It is the biggest crisis of our lifetime. There used to be a time when people would band together voluntarily to help their fellow human, now we expect government to pick up the slack when something bad happens.

And don't think we are assisting the people of Joplin, we are bailing out insurance companies who are taking a bath on this disaster.

Government has to stop doing everything for everyone. It is only appropriate that new spending be offset by cuts elsewhere, the debt can't be allowed to get higher.

[kcbigpapa]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

The national debt is not a political game. It is the biggest crisis of our lifetime. There used to be a time when people would band together voluntarily to help their fellow human, now we expect government to pick up the slack when something bad happens.

And don't think we are assisting the people of Joplin, we are bailing out insurance companies who are taking a bath on this disaster.

Government has to stop doing everything for everyone. It is only appropriate that new spending be offset by cuts elsewhere, the debt can't be allowed to get higher.

Blah, blah, blah. You need to get Eric Cantor's cock out of your mouth. None of what you just wrote has any validity and is just more of your bullshit rhetoric. What percentage of the home/business owner's do you think have insurance for this disaster? I would like to hear from an insurance agent in the tornado region of what percentage of homes have tornado insurance. This is an addendum to the normal homeowner's policy and quite expensive so my guess is less than 20%. Also, why must the debt not get any higher for helping out these victims? Is it going to be this $10 billion that will change finally bankrupt this country and not the previous $14.4 trillion.

[CuteOldGuy]

Never mind. You miss the point again. And calling me names doesn't really promote intelligent discussion. So, enjoy your superiority. I bow to your greater wisdom.

[Longermonger]

Eric Cantor has a dick?!? He must. Look at the way that guy that cries all the time is looking at him.

[kcbigpapa]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

I bow to your greater wisdom.

That's because you don't know what in the fuck you're talking about.

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by kcbigpapa

That's because you don't know what in the fuck you're talking about.

LOL! Well, you are right, if I knew what I was talking about, I would never have bowed to your superior wisdom!

[Longermonger]

kcbigpapa, check my new siggy.

[catnipdipper]

Cantor has said he will agree to 1/2 of what is needed. Rest will come from a rummage sale and bake sale by the people of Missouri and will be baked outside in dutch ovens at campgrounds.

The people just have to understand.

[CuteOldGuy]

Longer, I'm hurt. I'm no longer your exclusive siggy.

However, this is a perfect illustration of my point. The devastation in Joplin was horrific, and of course, our hearts go out to them. I know what it is like, I lived through a similar disaster with a greater loss of life when I was a teenager. Lost classmates, and almost got caught up myself. It was a terrifying experience. The day after the disaster, I was among the many in the community cleaning up and searching for survivors. The thought of demanding the government do something did not occur to us. We got in, and worked ourselves. People from all over the country sent money and came to assist in the cleanup. The part of town that was destroyed was turned into a beautiful area. I will leave out the part where the mayor skimmed off several millions of dollars from the relief effort and skipped the country. We all have our faults. LOL!

There have been numerous disasters since then. It seems like now, whenever there is a disaster, our first thought is what can or will the government do? Never mind that there is no constitutional authority for the government to do anything. I hurt for the people of Joplin, but I also am very uncomfortable taking money from you, under the threat of force (taxation) to give to those people. I will, and have, happily and prayerfully give assistance to them out of my own pocket. And there are millions of others who would do the same, but we are so used to government solving our problems. It stifles the natural generosity of the American people, and creates a burden for government that government was not intended or designed to handle. I'm speaking of federal government, state governments can do what they want.

I guess it's a nice thought, but I can't be generous with other people's money. Even for such a noble and worthy cause of assisting victims of the Joplin tornado. That doesn't mean I won't help, or I won't encourage others to help. I have and I will. I was on a team that went to New Orleans after Katrina. I see that as my duty as a citizen, and a human. But to take money from some slob in Oregon who is facing possible unemployment and foreclosure to help someone else in need just doesn't make sense to me. Voluntary charity is much more meaningful and effective.

Anyway, that's my point. Love it or hate it, it is what it is. You are welcome to have another point of view.

[Longermonger]

Democrats: We're all in this together. Everybody pitch in and do your part. Pay your dues and the club will take care of you. If you're lucky, you'll never be on the receiving end. If you don't want to be in the club, pay your dues, and do your share...leave the country. Now.

Republicans: I've got mine. If you don't have yours, that's your problem. Maybe I'll help you out if I feel like it. But don't count on it, buddy! So, if you want any of my help you'd better worship, think, and vote exactly the same way that I do. Otherwise, go die!

[SinsOfTheFlesh]

Originally Posted by Longermonger

Democrats: We're all in this together. Everybody pitch in and do your part. Pay your dues and the club will take care of you. If you're lucky, you'll never be on the receiving end. If you don't want to be in the club, pay your dues, and do your share...leave the country. Now.

Republicans: I've got mine. If you don't have yours, that's your problem. Maybe I'll help you out if I feel like it. But don't count on it, buddy! So, if you want any of my help you'd better worship, think, and vote exactly the same way that I do. Otherwise, go die!

Longer you have it exactly backwards. Dems apparently don't feel like we are all in this together, or that we can or should all do our part. Apparently the expectation is that Uncle Sam will pay for it all. Furthermore, Uncle Sam can pick up the tab, and since he's got a limitless supply of cash, there is no need for a discussion about how its going to be paid for.

To date, there has been a flood of donations made to help Joplin recover. Additionally, I am sure most if not all businesses carried insurance, and one would think most homeowners also carry insurance for just this sort of disaster. It is true that there will also be a huge economic loss until Joplin is back on its feet - workers too busy putting their life back together to be able to go back to work, and many businesses will be closed until they can repair or rebuild.

But why is there an automatic assumption that the federal gov't can or should jump right in to cover the entire cost of the disaster? And someone please tell me what is wrong with handling spending the same way the rest of us do? When an emergency comes up - whether its a busted water line, or a blown engine in your car - whatever money you spend out of your pocket is money that was going to be spent somewhere else and now can't be. In short, you find the money to pay for the emergency by cutting spending somewhere else. If you and I have to work that way, what is wrong with expecting our gov't to work that way?

[Longermonger]

Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

Longer you have it exactly backwards. Ummm, no I don't. You just think backwards.Dems apparently don't feel like we are all in this together, or that we can or should all do our part. Apparently? Are you blind? Don't you think Democrats are for "big government"? And isn't government created by, created for, managed by, and financed by WE THE PEOPLE? to paraphrase Ronald Reagan "A government of 'We the People' is the problem" according to Republicans. Apparently the expectation is that Uncle Sam will pay for it all.Apparently again? Show me where anyone expects the federal government to pay 100% of the costs. Furthermore, Uncle Sam can pick up the tab, and since he's got a limitless supply of cash, there is no need for a discussion about how its going to be paid for. Furthermore, apparently, additionally, blah blah blah!

To date, there has been a flood of donations made to help Joplin recover. Additionally, I am sure most if not all businesses carried tornadoinsurance, and one would think Speculative. Just say you don't know and drop it.most homeowners also carry insurance for just this sort of disaster. It is true that there will also be a huge economic loss until Joplin is back on its feet - workers too busy putting their life back together to be able to go back to work, and many businesses will be closed until they can repair or rebuild.

But why is there an automatic assumption that the federal gov't can Because they can. Are you seriously suggesting that they can't do it?or should jump right in to cover the entire cost of the disaster? And someone please tell me what is wrong with handling spending the same way the rest of us do? When an emergency comes up - whether its a busted water line, or a blown engine in your car - whatever money you spend out of your pocket is money that was going to be spent somewhere else and now can't be. In short, you find the moneyAs in 'find it in the rubble of my house that's been scattered into a million pieces'? If you equate writing a check for a few thousand dollars for a new engine to TOTAL DESTRUCTION of everything that you own (and your place of work, and possibly family) then I can't help you. If you're trying to equate the total destruction of the city of Joplin to a blown engine, then I can help you: They are not a blown engine! to pay for the emergency by cutting spending somewhere else. If you and I have to work that way, what is wrong with expecting our gov't to work that way?Well, off the top of my head...you and I are both individuals. The federal government is thousands of people. It's like if you had a bus full of people and they all took turns driving towards wherever they wanted to go. Some would want to drive to Las Vegas, some to Lollapalooza, and some to Richmond, Virginia. The bus would run out of gas/drive off a cliff/veer into a ditch/end up in Tijuana. You wouldn't expect it to act like an individual.

Right now we've got idiots driving the bus in the House and another one riding around in a bus wrapped with the Constitution.