do we not deserve respect?

[jaybee]

just courious why this guy stil has a a account here.

he know more that anyone else.

[Sooper Lover]

I'm sorry, this particular thread may have strayed from the author's original intent, and I'm probably way late to opine....but at the same time I feel that I must. Guys, regardless of the situation, there is a human being on the other end of the dream you are having. I wholly believe that ladies deserve the utmost amount of respect, and I make my best effort at doing that. I don't want to sound cliche`, but I find the nicer I treat a lady, the nicer I get treated. Although that is nice, that isn't my reasoning for being a gentleman....it was the way I was brought up. I don't want to preach and I don't want to lecture, but I do want to say that we need to be aware that these ladies deal with jerks all the time. Any one of us has the opportunity to break that cycle, and I will do my damnedest to be the one who she smiles about every time she thinks of me. My two-cents worth.

[Sweet N Little]

Originally Posted by Sooper Lover

I'm sorry, this particular thread may have strayed from the author's original intent, and I'm probably way late to opine....but at the same time I feel that I must. Guys, regardless of the situation, there is a human being on the other end of the dream you are having. I wholly believe that ladies deserve the utmost amount of respect, and I make my best effort at doing that. I don't want to sound cliche`, but I find the nicer I treat a lady, the nicer I get treated. Although that is nice, that isn't my reasoning for being a gentleman....it was the way I was brought up. I don't want to preach and I don't want to lecture, but I do want to say that we need to be aware that these ladies deal with jerks all the time. Any one of us has the opportunity to break that cycle, and I will do my damnedest to be the one who she smiles about every time she thinks of me. My two-cents worth.

ahhhh sooper lover ....how sweet, a breath of fresh air just swept over me reading that I heart you!

[CuteOldGuy]

+1 Sooper Lover

And dammit, Starry, I wanted to kiss MsElena's ass. You beat me to it.

[KCQuestor]

All this came from a potential client asking a provider if her "pussy would be able to play".

I agree that this is not the best way to approach someone you have never met. Personally, I don't see how this would be vulgar enough to warrant rebuking the man, but that's not my call. Everyone decides for themselves what is acceptable or not. And being rebuked for lack of respect is an appropriate response to offending someone. But there's no reason to ever call a person a dumbass and a retard. Even if it was in response to an angry emoticon.

Herfacechair displayed bad judgment in the initial contact, followed by a quick rise to name-calling and an almost obsessive desire to refute every single comment made on the thread.

Stacy might have avoided this by simply deleting the initial PM, or responding that she was unavailable. But after the second exchange it was clear that she needed to share this with the other providers. I am not sure it needed to be public, but at this point I am glad it is.

[herfacechair]

Originally Posted by JS42

good gawd dude, you got way too much time on your hands...unreal.

Plenty of time? No. The ability to break the keyboard typing speed limit without looking at the keyboard? Yes. The ability to address each post piecemeal? Yes. The ability to do a search on this message board? Yes. The ability to copy and paste certain statements for use as part of my argument? Yes.

[herfacechair]

Originally Posted by Andrea Davis

No weapon formed against me shall prosper, it won’t work......Oh I won’t be afraid of the arrows by day
From the hand of my enemy
I can stand my ground with the Lord on my side
For the snares they have set will not succeed-FRED HAMMOND

Standing one's ground with God at their side. I'm an Old Testament kind of guy. God was on Saul's side until the later decided not to follow the former's complete instructions…

From I SAMUEL, 15

SAMUEL also said to Saul, "The LORD sent me to anoint you king over His people, over Israel, Now therefore, heed the voice of the words of the Lord.

2. "Thus says the Lord of hosts: 'I will punish what Amelek did to Israel, how he ambushed him on the way when he came up from Egypt.

3. 'Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'

[herfacechair]

This guy joined the opposition against me in one of my threads, and I retaliated. He was one of my targets in my initial volley here. Hardly someone that speaks impartially.

Originally Posted by jaybee

just courious why this guy stil has a a account here.

he know more that anyone else.

After going through my posts, and seeing the way I tend to hang people with their own words, you should've known better not to say something that I could use against you. Just one more statement you made that works against you being a "respectful gentleman," per the OP's definition:

"thanks you f.jerk"- Jaybee

Nope! No "respectful gent" here!

I could "see" the real emotion behind your first statement though. As some snipers would say after taking a hostile down… "GOT YA!"

[herfacechair]

Sooper Lover: I'm sorry, this particular thread may have strayed from the author's original intent,

This thread's topic is, "do we not deserve respect?" As long as we're arguing, directly or indirectly, about the theme of that question, and about that question, this topic is still on course. Since I was the subject of the vent, I have every right to be on here defending myself.

Sooper Lover: and I'm probably way late to opine....but at the same time I feel that I must.

It's never too late to opine if you read the entire thread before commenting. Judging from the rest of your comment, I doubt that you did. Or, you're doing what I predicted some of the other guys would do, ignore the facts and continue being biased in their responses. Arming yourself with the facts is a must prior to entering a debate.

Sooper Lover: Guys, regardless of the situation, there is a human being on the other end of the dream you are having. I wholly believe that ladies deserve the utmost amount of respect, and I make my best effort at doing that.

If that human being fails to act like an adult, I'm not going to treat him/her like an adult. It's that simple. Respect isn't deserved, it's earned. You don't deserve respect simply because you're a woman. If a woman expects to be respected, she needs to show that to those that she wants respect from. If a woman fails to respect me, I'm going to withdraw the respect that I initially extended to her, and I'm going to replace it with disrespect.

Sooper Lover: I don't want to sound cliche`, but I find the nicer I treat a lady, the nicer I get treated.

So, did your "the nicer I treat a lady, the nicer I get treated" philosophy get you somewhere with the following incident that you talk about here?

"I gave it a no as long as she brings along her sister. She also need to learn to focus on the customer and not carry on a conversation with her sister while she's supposed to be servicing me. IMHO, when I walk away from a dream and still have a load in my sack, it is a "No" recommendation. As always, YMMV. But I say buyer beware..." - Sooper Lover

It didn't look like they responded to your "niceness" with respect for the effort and time you invested in this. However; if what you say is true, perhaps you weren't nice to these women, resulting in you walking away from your dream without expending any ammo. BUT! If you insist that you WERE nice to these women, then your statement isn't always applicable.

Sooper Lover: Although that is nice, that isn't my reasoning for being a gentleman... it was the way I was brought up.

No real gentleman would do something that society at large would frown upon. Real gentlemen have words that describe those of us, in this hobby, searching for GFE and other related experiences. A real gentleman would look at both sides of the story before passing judgment on either party of a conflict. Or did those that raised you to be a "gentleman" left the part out about gentlemen not passing judgment without first getting the facts? Did they say that it was OK for a gentleman to do something that society at large would frown upon?

Perhaps those of us, men, who partake in this hobby should find another term other than "gentleman/men" to describe ourselves.

Sooper Lover: I don't want to preach and I don't want to lecture,

That's precisely what your post does, preach and lecture.

Sooper Lover: but I do want to say that we need to be aware that these ladies deal with jerks all the time.

In those cases where it was self-inflicted, I don't have any sympathy. That's like them squeezing a tomato too hard; then complaining that the tomatoes are too soft.

Sooper Lover: Any one of us has the opportunity to break that cycle,

If you're willing to include the women in that statement, then I'd agree with that statement.

Sooper Lover: and I will do my damnedest to be the one who she smiles about every time she thinks of me.

Every woman that I've partied with already does that when they think about me. Their treatment of me when I come in to do another session speaks volumes to that fact. It also speaks volumes when we're in a crowded brothel, and the woman refuses to let go of me after a session, and refuses to look for her next client, until I leave.

Sooper Lover: My two-cents worth.

You owe me a penny and a fraction of a second penny for change.

[herfacechair]

Originally Posted by Sweet N Little

ahhhh sooper lover ....how sweet, a breath of fresh air just swept over me reading that I heart you!

Translation: Finally, another opinion that matches my opinion with regards to this exchange! You agree with him, and disagree with me, all that's happening here is that you're cheering your side of the argument.

[herfacechair]

I've debated with this poster in the past, so this guy isn't giving an "independent, looking in from the outside," perspective on things. He's definitely not impartial in this fight, despite his attempts to pass himself off as one. His post painfully shows that.

KCQuestor: All this came from a potential client asking a provider if her "pussy would be able to play".

The actual beginning is her reply venting to me when all she had to do was quickly answer my question. That opened the door for my making that comment.

KCQuestor: I agree that this is not the best way to approach someone you have never met.

Not true. I've managed to get more sessions under my belt using that approach, or something similar to it, than I have using another approach. I've used it more on other lead generating sites than I have here.

KCQuestor: Personally, I don't see how this would be vulgar enough to warrant rebuking the man, but that's not my call.

One of the few things that you said that I come close to agreeing to… especially if I could find heavier levels of vulgarity in the OP's, and some of her supporter's, past statements. There's a word that describes people like this.

Originally Posted by KCQuestor

The bias breaks through his attempts to be impartial...

Everyone decides for themselves what is acceptable or not. And being rebuked for lack of respect is an appropriate response to offending someone. But there's no reason to ever call a person a dumbass and a retard. Even if it was in response to an angry emoticon.

Herfacechair displayed bad judgment in the initial contact, followed by a quick rise to name-calling

WRONG. I displayed very good judgment in every action I took that lead to this point. Just like a game of chess, there's a purpose to every move that I make here.

This part of your comment reflects bias, ignores her disrespect towards me, but focuses on my returning that disrespect towards her. You willingly ignore the chain of events that lead to my calling someone a dumbass and a retard.

You talk about the judgment in initial contact… on my end, not hers.

You have a woman that's not afraid to use vulgarity in her advertisements. These are messages that aren't just intended for those that she has met before, but for people she has never met. I ask this woman a simple question, given the different images that her reviews show. The proper course of action would've been a response answering my question, and the fact that the issue is being resolved.

Instead, she comes back venting at me in addition to the answer. Not a smart move when dealing with someone that you've never met before. I'm used to hearing providers vent about things during session downtimes. Since we've never had a session, replying with a venting showed disrespect. Venting about the efforts to fix the problem in the past doesn't earn her respect points either. That's rather disrespectful towards those trying to work her issue. Heck, a name change would've solved the problem that she was venting about.

I respond to that by using the pussy and mouth comment. She responds with a flame.

The mere fact that you'd ignore the significance of the flaming smiley speaks volumes to your lack of impartiality in this fight. Unless a person has been living under a rock until recently, he, or she, would know that things like that tends to start, or continue, a flame.

Heck, common sense would tell a person, having less than a day's experience on a message board, that such icons will start or elevate a fight.

In this case, that's equivalent to rushing a checkpoint in a speeding vehicle, while ignoring all visual, audio, warning and disabling shots, etc. Using that smiley against a poster that got into a heated debate soon after becoming a member here was simply retarded. The labels I used on her fit her acts.

KCQuestor: and an almost obsessive desire to refute every single comment made on the thread.

I have a right to defend myself, to include countering every post that speaks against me. You of all people should know that I'll refute the opposition's counterpoints. I'm going to treat these debates/flames/arguments the same way that I treat a combat operation. One doesn't stop shooting, after taking one hostile down, when there are other hostiles in the engagement area.

KCQuestor: Stacy might have avoided this by simply deleting the initial PM, or responding that she was unavailable.

That would've been the smart thing for her to do.

KCQuestor: But after the second exchange it was clear that she needed to share this with the other providers.

It's clear that you failed to read this entire thread. If you did read the entire thread, then it's obvious that you did so with bias against me (not surprised given our previous argument).

A responsible person would've taken stock of their contribution to the flame, accepted responsibility, make plans to not make the same mistake again, and push on. She failed to do that, she chose to come here and complain about it.

KCQuestor: I am not sure it needed to be public, but at this point I am glad it is.

Actually, I'm glad that she made it public, as it gives me a chance to present the complete set of facts. People that are truly objective (haven't seen that from the opposition), would dismiss this.

I've seen way too many providers/courtesans, during my time hobbying, who'd blow things out of proportion. I've also seen way too many instances of women dishing out outright lies about others… about other women and men in the hobby. I've also seen plenty of examples like the OP, where the post is very misleading about what's really going on… usually at the expense of the person being complained about.

Women can abuse this, especially in cases where they have access to a forum that no other poster has access too. I remember a poster, a guy on the national forums, wondering if there was some blacklist somewhere. Naturally, the women said no such thing exists. Based on my experiences, things like that do exist on a forum that no man, save the moderators, have access to.

So I'm glad I had the opportunity to present the facts that wouldn't have been seen had this been posted in woman only forum... without parallel effort here.

Meanwhile, my hobby life will continue despite this debate.

[mojoworkin]

So I guess Stacy won't be seeing herfacechair......

[MsElena]

Any man who has tact would never call/PM/email/text, etc....using language like that.

When I receive something like that, I disregard it.

You're going to end up using the wrong language with a lady and that lady is going to end up being a cop.

[herfacechair]

Originally Posted by mojoworkin

So I guess Stacy won't be seeing herfacechair......

This statement shows that your mojo, with regards to engaging this thread, isn't working.

[herfacechair]

MsElena: Any man who has tact would never call/PM/email/text, etc....using language like that.

Again, that language has given me many successes in this hobby. So what constitutes "tact" is subject to opinion. Tact involves diplomacy. Anybody familiar with history, as well as current events, would know that this isn't the same, or consistent, across the board. But since we're on the subject, I'm not surprised that you're not going to address the lack of tact that lead to the statements that I made, and eventually my returning fire with fire.

MsElena: When I receive something like that, I disregard it.

Had the OP done that, I wouldn't be here dismantling posts like yours.

MsElena: You're going to end up using the wrong language with a lady and that lady is going to end up being a cop.

You mean a cop with a track record of being a provider, especially one with legitimate reviews and a website? Got you. This is another example of commenting on an issue without having all the facts.