do we not deserve respect?

[Sweet N Little]

Sorry that happened to you Staci, Isis is right, ignore, ignore, ignore, not worth you time girl

[ez2plz]

The world is tough enough as it is. We all deserve respect, and others deserve respect from us until they prove different. However, not everybody operates under those principles, whether they are members of eccie, providers, or any other group of miscellaneous people you might come up with. When I come across rude people, or folks that think they are better than everybody else, I ignore them and avoid them in the future.

[Guest090920]

Originally Posted by incognito isis

The best thing to do is ignore it. Do not feed this mans fire. Ignore, ignore, ignore.

Great advice. Years ago, a wise man told me people go away fastest when ignored. The wise man was Omahan and he was right!

[MsElena]

So, are you sharing this gents info with us ladies or do we need to PM you?

[Guest052813-01]

Stacy, definitely get this clown's information to the other ladies on this and any other board. There's no room for that kind of behavior and should never be tolerated.

[CaptainKaos]

Send me a copy of the PM and if it's as bad as you say, I'll gladly issue points.

[stacy in kc]

Thanks for all the information and support. He is on several other boards and I'm not the only one who has had trouble with this guy this week. Be careful.

[Guest031221]

I say out the guy to everyone then. Is that a problem?

[herfacechair]

stacy_in_kc: wow, I had an message from an eccie member wanting to see me. His message was straight up vulgar and I was offended.

Really? You chose to be in this hobby, and you get offended by terms that are commonly used in the hobby, like mouth and pussy? What I said that offended you:

"My mouth is wondering if your pussy would be able to play that day. " - herfacechair

You're the same one that said things like this on past advertisements:

"200 per hr incall or outcall,140 incall, no upselling ever." - stacy in kc

"my measurements are 38c, 28, 38." - stacy in kc

"please have donation ready and placed on table, dont hand it to me or even mention it. also, please dont mention you are calling about the ad when you call or call will be terminated." - stacy in kc

From another one of your online profiles, under "Activities Stacy in KC Enjoys in Private:

"Body Rub, Reverse Body Rub, FS, GFE, HJ, LFK, DFK, Foot Fetish, DATY, Missionary, Cowgirl, Reverse Cowgirl, Asian Cowgirl, Doggie Style, CBJ, Sixty Nine, YMMV, Toys, Submission, Photos/Video… for which no money is exchanged!"

These are from prospecting messages, where you intend to get new people, in addition to maintaining your regulars.

This same profile has a picture of your feet wrapped around the faucet, symbolizing your feet wrapped around the man's member.

Need I continue?

stacy in kcx: I simply replied to him that I only see respectful gentlemen,

Your exact quote:

"no, i only see respectful gentlemen." - stacy in kc

What's lady like about your flipping me off, after my using words that were no more "vulgar" than what's used on your profile or advertisements? If my using, "pussy" and "mouth," takes me out of the "respectful gentleman" category, then what does, "Doggie Style, CBJ, Sixty Nine, Toys, etc" do to your standing as a "lady"?

Let's not forget about your feet wrapped around the faucet. You knew what you were communicating with that message. Not exactly something that a "respectful lady" would do.

stacy in kcx:which is true.

Let's look at what your reviewers have said in the past:

"Agreed. Unless I wanted to check off "Fucked a porn star" off the bucket list, I think that I'll pass. There are local girls that are just as pretty and exciting at half the rate." - Shogun2000

No recent experience, but if you like large natural breasts, hers are a must see. I normally do not like tattoos, but her flame tats on her breasts are very unique and very interesting. I enjoyed my one visit with her. She did get the job done. I did an hour, but no DATY or MSOG, -KC_Hobbiest

"sales tax paid and just wrote a 6k check for my personal taxes so it can be pissed away - jaybee

"ok we need a 125-150 utr girl to pass around in the boys room............ i think she wouuld be well taken care of right here............ pm?" - jaybee

This is not a slam on the posters that I quoted here; this is something that I'm doing to make a point. If what I said takes me out of the "respectful gentleman" category, then by your definition, their statements takes them out of the "respectful gentleman" category; therefore, you don't "only" see "respectful gentlemen."

stacy in kc: He stated respect has to be earned.

When I asked you if you were white, or mixed, as that's what your reviews indicated, all you had to do is say that you were "white," and that you were working on getting the issue fixed. Indirectly slamming the efforts to work this problem doesn't earn you respect from me:

"i've reported the problem several times. i'm white, not black or mixed. it was corrected over the weekend but its back today. i have had this problem alot on eccie, they tack on any review for any stacy, i'm really annoyed, ive been in kc my entire life and this other stacy was around for a short time." - stacy in kc

Venting to me, when I'm not even one of your friends, or confidants, lovers, etc, was disrespectful; lamenting an ongoing problem that could've been resolved by a clever name change, disrespects the efforts of the administrators that are trying to work this issue with you.

And, by your own definition, using language (your advertisement) that ladies wouldn't use amounts to disrespect (per your description).

Don't expect me to show you respect when you can't do that to me, or to others for that matter.

stacy in kc: then he basically stated that I(as a provider)was not a lady and cannot earn respect and I deserve whatever treatment I get. Scary, very scary. He also called me names(dumbass and retard).

Remember, you flipped me off with a smiley showing anger. You forfeited any kind of "fair" treatment from the moment you fired that message back at me. So, this is what I said in response:

Title: You have to earn that respect you dumbass...

[Begin Message]

Sorry, retard, you have to earn that respect.

Bitching about a problem not getting solved isn't a way to earn that respect. Also, you obviously can't differentiate between a respectful gentlemen, and one simply kissing your ass to get an appointment. You're not getting that from me.

You're definitely not a respectful "lady". If you want to cry about this to, oh fucking well. You deserve that treatment.

[/End message]

Remember, you flipped me off, so I fired back. Since you're back here crying about this, you deserve the scrutiny that I'm subjecting your messages, your white knights, and you, to.

stacy in kc: Has anyone else had this problem, and how did you deal with it?

This is a self-serving statement. You make a mountain out of an anthill over a flame that YOU contributed to. However; none of the audience knows your contribution just by looking at your post. Right off the bat, you bias them with your deception. Not exactly acts that a "lady" would get engaged in.

[herfacechair]

Wizard of Ahhhhs: Wow, sorry to hear that, Stacy.

Would you be kissing her hind quarters like this, should you run out of money, not be able to hobby, resulting in this woman not wanting to have anything to do with you? We know which brain you're thinking with when you rush to judgment just on the words of a woman… without checking the facts.

Wizard of Ahhhhs: Obviously, he needs to improve his respectability, too!

By her definition of "respect," so do you:

I thought PSE meant that about 2 minutes before the guy is about to nut, he pulls it out of wherever it's been and finishes by jacking himself off...? - Wizard of Ahhhhs

Would you use that language in a church, during services with other worshipers there? If you answered, "no," then you've got some work to do.

However, your suggestion requires me to be a doormat and let people walk all over me. That, I refuse to do. Flip me off, or show any kind of flaming toward me; and you're going to have a hostile reaction. It's that simple.

My track record on this message board stands. I give respect to people until they disrespect me, then I treat them the way they treated me.

Wizard of Ahhhhs: If I were you, I would:

How about getting the complete facts, and quit kissing up to someone that won't have anything to do with you, hobby wise, if you didn't have any money?

Wizard of Ahhhhs: A) Out him in the powder room,

And what good would that do against me? I've been hobbying since the late 1980s. I travel to multiple locations in the United States, which include Reno and Las Vegas. Hint: Brothels. I also travel outside the United States, where "expensive" providers provide full service for under $50.00. This full service ranges from giving you a full body wash down/bath, to include washing your nuts and ass/asscrack, through full body massage, through full geisha like GFE service. I'm currently working with a woman, that doesn't post here, for a future meet up in this area.

But wait, there's more!

There's only ONE day, between now and the time I transfer out of here; that I'll be partying in Kansas City. If I don't party that ONE day, I still have a party arranged for that next day.

Either way, my hobby life will continue on.

Wizard of Ahhhhs: letting the other ladies know what this jerk is like;

It also happens that some of the ladies that may have access to the powder room may have met me before. They know the REAL me, and would take such outing, 'with a grain of salt.'

Let's face it. They may not admit it up front. But, based on what I've seen, having habied all over the US and World, there's a good chance that there's some degree of competition based mistrust among many of the ladies. They may jump on the thread there, voice "indignation" at me, but be silently glad that someone handed it to the person they despised.

Wizard of Ahhhhs: B) Report him to mods and let them deal with his consequences;

There's a good chance that the mods have seen the exchange, to include her contribution to the flaming exchange.

Wizard of Ahhhhs: C) Add him quickly to your IGNORE list in your user control panel.

Never give advice that you wouldn't implement yourself. If you have any questions about what I'm talking about, read your performance on the first review I did on this message board. You could've simply put me on ignore, but, nope, you wanted to run to the moderators… or suggest that the reviewed lady sit on my face again to "shut me up."

Wizard of Ahhhhs: I know many guys in here are direct and to the point, some like this guy appear to cross the line.

She didn't specify which poster it was, all you had were her words, yet you're quick to pass judgment based on one side of the story, based on deliberate deception. I don't see much difference between my reaction to her flame, and anybody else's reaction to a flame.

[herfacechair]

TH64083: Wow. That kind of thing makes me want to resort to name calling, maybe even using some of the names he used on you. But no, I am too adult for that. I am sorry you had to deal with that. That kind of stuff hurts everyone in the hobby.

Apparently, you didn't need help with initiating the name calling in these instances:

"Really in to it one time, and nasty distant bitch from hell the next. -TH64083

"The point is, many providers are crazy, and armed." -TH64083

I knew I was a dumb ass and doubted the repeat would ever happen, but I did it anyway. - TH64083:

I call the motel a shit hole. - - TH64083:

"We old farts thank you my love." - TH64083:

Speak for yourself, and we have this gem:

"BottomlessFilth, for myself I'm a conservative kind of guy by nature, but try not to judge others for who they are and what they do." - TH64083:

The adult thing isn't working out for you, isn't it? You didn't seem to care about the name calling hurting everybody back when you made some of those comments. You definitely come across as judgmental here.

[herfacechair]

vkmaster: I'm sure you will share his ID with other providers...

And I'm sure that my hobby days will continue, see above reply to WOA. Do realize that the women that I've reviewed aren't the only women that I've partied with.

vkmaster: but OF COURSE that type of behavior is totally out of line. No middle ground.

Then you wouldn't approve her part of the flame; see her quote above, especially the smiley that she used. Remember, "no middle ground."

vkmaster: Not speaking of ongoing relationships between individual providers and hobbiest, but...

Actually, many providers, on an individual basis, would say things about their clients, and men in general, that'll make you chill to your bone. There was a letter, supposedly written from an angry provider, that showed her "true" feelings against men. Some people say that if this were the case with many providers, they wouldn't be able to do their jobs.

Not true.

My ATF, 2006/2007, would lacerate her other clients during downtime discussions. Together with her double's partner, I heard the venting, how one would blame men for all the world's problems, how another would describe men as a bunch of slobs. (sometimes "paused" before knocking on in-call door.)

Their business still did good.

So, even on an individual provider to individual hobbyist level, the, "us against them" mentality can kick in.

vkmaster: Unfortunately it's that type of attitude/and actions which tend to lead to an enviroment of us(hobbiest) vs you(providers). It's to bad, that a few spoiled apples on both sides make initial meetings to have to be somewhat under a vail of suspision or tension...but sadly it's reality, I guess.

That sentiment is going to remain, regardless of what happened here. Even without this incident, we still had a "hobbyist" versus "providers" shove and push. For example, the reviews, that we do on the providers, is our way to "push back" against providers taking us for our money. We're armed with knowledge that allows us to avoid an encounter that wasn't beneficial to us in the first place.

The "verification system" is the provider's way to "push back" against us. This environment has been around long before this thread, or the events that caused this thread's start.

vkmaster: Especially in this town, we as a collective group have a common "adversary"...just take a look at today's alert section.

I've yet to be on a message board like this where the community prevents itself from being divided in the face of outside danger. Like I mentioned earlier on this thread, the women won't admit it, but there's competition based "animosity" between many of the women in this hobby against each other.

On one message board that I was on, the owners cooperated with a TV station, and outed a handful of outspoken providers. On this same message board, one provider threatened other providers that they'd bring their "LE friends" to bear on them.

I refuse to believe that human nature stops ounce outside that message board's boundaries.

As long as competitive human nature remains, we're going to be divided against each other here, despite an outside threat.

vkmaster: But unfortunately the type a behavior Stacy had to be exposed to, and the stuff we hobbist encounter,

Behavior she was exposed to thanks to her provocation. Like you said, "stuff we hobbyists" encounter.

vkmaster: require us to also question our contacts with each other, in addition to being guarded from LE

Something I've done when meeting people over these types of message board.

[herfacechair]

Originally Posted by noleftturn

Stacy, there is no reason for anyone to disrespect you. You are a sweetheart and always concerned for me when we saw each other.

You do realize that you're allowing her to use you this way? Better yet, you're volunteering to be used this way. Just ask yourself this question. How often will she be with you, hobby wise, if you didn't have money to spend "for her time," unless you're her husband?

There's a very good chance that you wouldn't have any more of those experiences where she's a "sweetheart" and "always concerned" for you. She cares about you alright… as long as you remain yet another source of income.

Originally Posted by noleftturn

For someone to act like this in the initial contact makes one wonder what he would be like BCD. Could be scary! Let as many providers know as possible and save someone form getting hurt or worse. Nlt

The fact that you'd jump onto the butt kissing bandwagon, without wondering what could cause my reaction, should be something that makes one wonder. But, chances are that you're going to ignore her flaming message, which caused me to flame her back. With all the effort you're putting in to impress her… "hey look, it's 'noleftturn' to stacy's rescue!"

Do you honest to God think that she'll be at "awe" with you? That she'd spend hours at end worshiping her "white knight"? If she showers you with praise and appreciation, don't believe a word she says. But again, since you're "under her spell," you'll continue to see me as the "bad guy," and her as the "damsel in distress," and continue on with the false sense of her appreciating your worth as a person.

[herfacechair]

incognito isis: I've had an email like that once or twice.

And which one of those emails resulted from your provocation? If you didn't provoke those kinds of responses, then comparing your experiences to hers is like comparing apples to oranges.

incognito isis: Just look at it this way, you saved yourself a big headache because he showed his true colors in an email and not in person.

WRONG. Nobody has ever guessed right about me based on what I've written on a message board. People that have seen me have had a hard time guessing things about my true nature. One would have to take a steep leap in faith to believe that they could succeed, just by a message, where people in real life didn't succeed.

First, you failed to factor in the complete set of acts in this case. Te wit, her responding to me in a flaming manner. I'm sorry, if you flip me off, stand by to get flamed. It's that simple.

Second, online debating is a hobby of mine, one I've been engaged with, almost perpetually, for almost 8 years. Many of these exchanges were in the form of flame wars in forums that amount to "kill zones," where even the mods will tell you to "F" off if you go running to them.

Give me even an inkling of a flame, and you'll find yourself being flamed, or debated with.

Three, I handle these cases the way I handle a combat operation. When someone flames me, no matter how minor, I have a tendency to unleash "overwhelming" "firepower" on them. If they engage me back, I keep engaging them until they're neutralized.

Fourth, those who've meet me have caught a glimpse of the real me. It's nothing like what you, or the others here, are portraying. It's amazing what firsthand accounts does to people perceptions… like moves them closer to reality.

incognito isis: YOU do deserve respect, and anyone who doesn't give you any doesn't deserve to meet with you.

Not when she dishes disrespect to someone who responds by disrespecting her back. Respect is earned. I would've respected her had she respected me. She could've started by not venting to me, someone she hadn't hobbied with. A fact I was willing to overlook until she flamed me.

incognito isis: You don't want to meet with angry clients like that.

She should only meet doormats, those that don't fight back. If one fights back, he's "angry." Got you.

Newsflash!

I will say things, with a smile on my face, that I know would get someone to the core. I say and do things to get a point across.

incognito isis: The best thing to do is ignore it. Do not feed this mans fire. Some creeps troll around looking for ANY attention from a woman, even negative. It's a game. Don't fall for it. Ignore, ignore, ignore.

If I were all that, then why did I deactivate my private messaging? I mean, if my "fire" needs to be feed, if I'm looking for any attention, wouldn't it make sense to keep my PM open for others to communicate with me?

Go ahead, ask Stacy if she has succeeded in sending me PMs lately.

This is why it's helpful to get the complete facts, about me and this situation, before giving someone advice. The type of advice that'll get a doctor sued for malpractice had he done this with one of his patients.

[herfacechair]

Originally Posted by ksjack

Look at it this way, Stacy, it didn't take you long to screen him.

Jack

It doesn't take long for people to make the wrong decision.