Don't EVER talk to the cops!

[rooster]

This has been posted here before, but a spa was raided today, and some friends got caught up in it, so I think it is a good time to give this "gentle" reminder:

DON'T EVER TALK TO THE FUCKING COPS WITHOUT A LAWYER!

Ahem.... sorry.... glad I got that out....

Anyway, I know it is easy to say that when you aren't "caught up in the moment", but you CANNOT trust those assholes. There is a reason they tell you "anything you say can and will be used against you..."

They will try to screw you every time. They are not your pals. If you are a guy caught in a bad situation, they will lead you to believe that they will not involve your S.O. if you cooperate "now." It is BS. They will show up at your house.... or your school.... or your work..... or wherever they want to just to embarrass you later.

Cut your losses, close your mouth, demand Counsel. This goes for hobbyists and providers. It is the ONLY way to protect yourself.

This guy says it best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

I'm not just talking about "hobbying." And I'm not just talking about if you are arrested. I mean EVER. Probably the only exception is if you are making a complaint yourself. Even then, be careful.....

[naughtyfun]

I couldnt agree with you more rooster. They do pretend to be your friend and that the more you co-operate the better you will be treated. Its all BULL, thats their job. You are not their friend and you never will be.

[jackfengshui]

It's sound advice.

I'm just curious. If you do say something but you have not been read your Miranda rights, can your words still be used against you?

[sulihu]

miranda talks to arrest rights. youve got plenty of opportunity to fuck yourself over before that comes up

[JONBALLS]

Originally Posted by jackfengshui

It's sound advice.

I'm just curious. If you do say something but you have not been read your Miranda rights, can your words still be used against you?

from the minute the officer starts speaking to you , his primary objective is to get you nervous and talking.They have no rules, theyll use whatever tactic, rude, insulting, degrading comments to get you talking and from sentence one out of your mouth their looking for evidence.When they pulled me over and say, "you KNOW why i pulled you over ?" you have to be calm and say politely NO.Thats it. Then theyll ask you why you were there or something to that effect. well you can eigher get all uptight and say I want my lawyer etc, or you can remain calm and polite and simply say." I woke up this morning with a stiff neck , some guy at the coffee shop said this place helped him out".. Thats it , you dont have to elaborate, it doesnt matter how far fetched the story is cause there going to laugh at it anyways. But if you continue to answer all their questions with that story with a few IDKnows in betwween, youll be on your way. I dont care what they think or know what happens in there, thats my story , and thats all I know and we can sit there for two hours if they want and listen to me repeat that over and over.They checked my info and I was on my way.

[Cromwellmkviii]

Originally Posted by jackfengshui

It's sound advice.

I'm just curious. If you do say something but you have not been read your Miranda rights, can your words still be used against you?

Jack, I actually look up upon your question about Miranda Right and this is what I found in Wikipedia

"The Miranda warning (also referred to as Miranda rights) is a warning that is required to be given by police in the United States to criminal suspects in police custody (or in a custodial interrogation) before they are interrogated to inform them about their constitutional rights. In Miranda v. Arizona, the Supreme Court of the United States held that an elicited incriminating statement by a suspect will not constitute admissible evidence unless the suspect was informed of the right to decline to make self-incriminatory statements and the right to legal counsel (hence the so-called "Miranda rights"), and makes a knowing, intelligent and voluntary waiver of those rights.The Miranda warning is not a condition of detention, but rather a safeguard against self-incrimination; as a result, if law enforcement officials decline to offer a Miranda warning to an individual in their custody, they may still interrogate that person and act upon the knowledge gained, but may not use that person's statements to incriminate him or her in a criminal trial."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_warning

But from the video I am pretty sure they will still find a way to use them against you, like...read it after you already confessed. So when asked in court they can say "Yes, I read your right." And then it become your word against their about when it is read.

I remember it really clearly from the video that even if there's confusion or mistakes from the LE's end. It can still benefit them to pin you with a crime. Starting from 17:49...the slideshow says "Even if client is innocent and only tells the truth and does not tell the police anything incriminating, there is still a grave chance that his answer can be used to crucify him if the police don't recall his testimony with 100% accuracy"

[crossctry]

I'm not an attorney so take this with a grain of salt. I've read somewhere that a police officer will hold off reading you your miranda rights as long as possible so that everything said can be used against you later in their investigation. Again, I'm not sure how all that works, but I think the best advice is to remain silent, respectful, and calm. When I was younger I wish I would have had the sense to have known this about ten different times!