HDH- Different perspective

[Boltfan]

I typically won't see the HDH regardless of the marketplace pricing unless they offer something unique. A great example would be the porn star visits I have made in the past, whether they be here, Vegas or Southern California. Each had their own unique price points but would be considered HDH rates in their own markets.

What Londum fails to realize when she decided the national forums are boring is that Dallas supply and demands dictates $400 to $500 is HDH rate HERE. THIS is a local forum, so perhaps using good judgment instead of just stomping on in with a head of steam would be the intelligent thing to do before hitting enter. Unless of course she is planning a trip to Dallas. Na, she don't visit Texas. Maybe one of her other voices, errrr, personalities (marketing ones mind you) will be visiting and no one will be the wiser.

[Guest070413]

Originally Posted by London Rayne

Actually yes, I do the same thing lol. Of course you can't really fake being a dumb azz then a scholar in an hour, but I don't say half the things I say as London Rayne under my high end persona. I have 2 others I work under and neither has stepped foot on any board. It is genius marketing. So many guys who said they would never see London Rayne because of how blunt she is, have in fact seen me lol. Brilliant!!

This seems more of an example of the idea that you don't charge to become higher quality, but at a lower price point you may relax more and not have to watch your social graces as closely. So to me it seems not a matter of you are playing up at the grand, but that you allow for both. You point out that it is about marketing, but anyone who has been on an extended date would know marketing won't help you figure out which fork to use if need be.. how to dress and act to blend in just enough to not make the gentleman you accompanied feel uneasy or how to carry on a fluid conversation about more than sexual topics in a public setting while still inciting an air of sexual heightened based on more than the ease of a sure thing. It takes much more than marketing know how to tap into the market that seeks refinement from a lady. On the same note not all in what some consider the HDH market are offering a level of refinement with their availability. Some are at a higher price point because of a variety of reasoning such as being adult film stars, their dashing model looks and so on.

Speaking of HDH doesn't seem so silly to me so much as speaking strictly in terms of price point does. In all fairness 'value' is a very relative term. Relative to what the person seeking has in expendable finances, what he seeks in an experience and what his perspective of worth is. As an example, a man spending $1,000 plus a plate at a 5 - 8 top table for a benefit that is place of social connections which could help boost his baseline, his only dilemma is he is sans date. This gent may want to employ the companionship of someone for the night. At the end of the night this gent will be spending thousands so what is another couple grand, right? This may not even be the selling point. The selling point may come into play when he considers if the companion he is seeking for an event may also have been sought out at another time by someone in the same social circles he flies... if she is noticed would he rather be the guy with the $200 girl or the one with the $1000? That is somewhat where exclusivity, even if just an illusion, may come into play.

Honestly, there are a ton more scenarios in which a higher price point may seem more desirable if not merely a necessary evil in order to meet the lady of someones choosing. It seems to me that those seeking a higher price point, much like seeking a fine meal, are seeking an experience more so than satisfaction from the value menu. I know when I am seeking a fine meal I would seek a four course meal with wine pairings in say a french restaurant and avoid any dining in the dark no matter how luxurious the meal in the dark may be even if the offered value was incredible. One would be a bad experience for me because it is not anything I wish to seek therefore making all seeming value invalid to me in particular. This does not make one option better or worse than the other. They all serve a purpose if for nothing more than to have more options. Who doesn't love having more options?

The ongoing question about a ladies price point being too much can in turn also point out that it may be possible that this question seems so reasonable because so many ladies in this area have an extremely reasonable price point for what they have to offer. Keep in mind there are men that would and have said that well liked providers at 150 -200 an hour were not a good value. Bottom line is that there is a market for a higher price, whatever the reasoning may be. I am sure the market is larger in some places than others. None the less some successfully ask for more because there is a demand for it somewhere be it based on perceived 'value' or the more likely personal preference of the individual on the hunt.


This is all IMHO, of course.

[London Rayne]

That was very intuitive and well stated, and you're correct about marketing not teaching you social skills. It's obvious that any woman being able to juggle such a wide range of personas, has to know how to act in all types of situations...not just one. My problem is that many HDH praisers would say someone at my/your rates, would NOT be able to conduct herself in the same manner that a woman charging 2k would. I think you just put that theory to rest and with eloquence I might add. How much someone charges for what they "claim" to be, does not always match up. There are well graced, educated women at all price points.

What happens when the HDH claiming a Doctorate is found to only have an Associates? What happens when her "faux corporate job" turns out to be a hotel desk clerk? Does she lose her appeal in the eyes of the men who seek her? I mean if what some market is education, being superior, refinement, and elegance, then it comes out that they are a recovering drug addict with 7 kids all from different fathers, would that not cost her a market or at the very least make her look like a total fraud? I would think so.

I realize that some of the things "London Rayne" has said on this board, have driven many a high end client away which is why you won't find my other persona anywhere near a hooker board. Again, knowing just what your target market will stand for and acting as such, is in fact a SKILL.

It's really not that hard to act like you know you should in any given situation. As for knowing which fork to use and how to dress and act, that should have been covered long before hooker status lol. Might I add that a higher rate certainly does not coincide with proper social skills or intelligence...again, just an illusion until the girl throws up on your shoe because her "high end status" didn't teach her not to drink so much.

Just because someone can talk a good game on a hooker board, does not mean they are anything like that in person or in public. I know an HDH who actually urinated in the parking lot of a casino...CLASSY!

I have seen monkeys behave better than many providers in public who "claim" to be so refined lol. Most people have the common sense not to act the same way in front of all people, i.e. friends, family, clients, the boards. All get a taste of only what that person wants to put out. If you knew who my so called HDH persona was, I can promise you would never guess London Rayne was in any way affiliated. It's really not that hard to play princess when need be. I certainly never attended class in stripper heels and heavy make-up, nor do I feel the need to wear Prada to freakin IHOP.


I find it very amusing that this is stated on so many sites yet once the lady can't get those rates anymore, they start offering an hour. Hmm so what happened to "I don't do this for money, and I want to get to know my clients?"

If you are going to market yourself as one thing, at least be consistent because it's hilarious when some of these things play out. You see someone at a 3k who claims she has a real job to justify such high rates, then 6 months later that same girl is down to $300 an hour but she does not really need the money lol.

Boltfan, my point was that many girls at a grand and guys willing to pay it find that statement highly amusing. You catch the snide remarks when someone at my rate is referred to as high end, so it's not something I just pulled out of the air. I don't think National is boring, but where else but Texas could I get such small minded insults to let me know you're reading my every word? I am flatterd.

I am very well aware that the rates in your area are half of what they are elsewhere, so you're correct...would never bother. You don't need to toss insults to make a point, but I digress. "Intelligence" would lead you to about a zillion other posts by me that have touched on the rates in Texas to the point of being redundant.

So if you're going to call someone "dum" you and your little friends should learn to spell it first off, and look closer to home. I didn't exactly go to a "state" school lol. No one "stomped on anything with a head of steam," or were you just trying to make your sentece structure more appealing by tossing in idle commentary? It was ONE statement that rings true for many people when seeing that.

You just proved yet another point....that an HDH is only determined by the amount of money said guy can afford. To a guy who has only seen girls at fifty bucks and hour, the $150 girl would look refined and exclusive to him. I didn't miss that point...I just did not feel the need to further reiterate something so obvious and elementary. I am very well aware of the varying contradictions within each market, as I play in all of them.

[Boltfan]

All those words and yet you fail to answer the simple question.

Is SiD 6.7 planning to visit Dallas? Since you have decided to post in this forum versus staying in the national arena? Otherwise, why venture in where simpletons play? After all, we are beneath you aren't we? Just trying to decide if you are a HDH we need to discuss.

[aka]

Nice ass, London. I pray that someday you will come around and grace us with your hind side.

[London Rayne]

Aww come on Bolt...have a sense of humor. I am neither all that hot nor high dollar, so no...I don't care for labels.

[Guest082216-1]

So back to the topic. Does a a mans expereicnce affect his ability to enjoy and obtain the best result from a girl charging $1000 or more? Or is that $200 guy just not equipped to maxamize his experience in that realm? Im general, of course. If your a $1000+ provider, can you tell if the guy is normaly shops in the $200 market?

[London Rayne]

Well....since the amount of spending cash a guy has does not correlate to the "finer things in life," I would think it would be difficult to tell which pool he plays in other than seeing a list of the ladies he has entertained in the past. I know offshore boat captains who make a very nice salary, yet have no level of refinement. Still, they don't mind paying for overnights starting at 3k. It is easier to tell what level of education and upbringing a client has, as opposed to what type of ladies he sees based on money alone.

I will say this, that when using 411 it was hilarious to see just how many men had spending ranges of $200 to $1500. I am betting the lower end market was equally shocked that they didn't know this in advance....that the guy would in fact have paid more had they only asked. Just because a guy "can" afford a high end girl does not mean he won't see a hot gal at a fraction of the cost...touched on that in my first post.

Women under the illusion that their supposed high end clients are not seeing women at a lower rate, are not in touch with reality. Men don't think like we do, and as long as a girl is clean, well spoken, and safe I doubt he would pass on her just because she is not asking for an outlandish amount. He may not take everyone of them out to a corporate event for impression's sake, but he is still tapping that azz when no one is the wiser. She still got his money, whether or not he wrote a review.

[Chevalier]

The question implies a paradigm of comparison -- whether the experience with Lady A (at $1,000) is, for that client, better than the experience with Lady B (at $250). Many of the people who approach the decision from that frame of mind would not select a HDH, as they may focus primarily on physical appearance + sexual skills. They can find plenty of women who fit the bill and consider the differences between Lady A and Lady B too small to justify spending the extra $750.

But I suspect some non-negligible portion of the target clientele for HDHs does not approach the decision from that frame of mind. They are seeking "time with a particular lady," rather than a commodified "experience." That is, they don't start by looking at a large pool of attractive and skilled escorts who can offer them a good time and then choose from that pool based on the best "value." They happen across a specific lady who piques their interest, based on a lot of factors (not limited to appearance and BCD performance as reflected in reviews); a lot of it may be her personality, wit, charm, etc. Once they decide they want to see Lady A, it's just a question of whether her rates are within their budget. (It's not necessarily that they're driven by ego, and pay $1,000 for that reason. They may pay $1,000 because they want to see Lady A, and can afford it, rather than want to see Lady A because it costs $1,000.) It may just be because that's the price to see because it shows that they can afford it. Many of theThey don't necessarily compare her to Lady B at all; they may not be interested in Lady B. It's not that the "experience" is better with Lady A than with Lady B, but that it's different. Not because Lady A is necessarily more attractive or more skilled in the bedroom, but because Lady A is not the same person as Lady B. Think of it as a highly individualized form of WALDT, with a pool of choices that is much smaller than for most P4P clients.

That also implies that a HDH has to put much more thought into her target clientele, why she's a good match for them, and how to convey that effectively in her marketing. The shotgun, "target everyone," approach that most escorts use -- post a few salacious pictures, emphasize how much you like to ****, link to your reviews, and offer a rate comparable to most other escorts in the area -- may work for a lot of clients but won't be as effective with this portion of the HDH client pool. Nothing wrong with competitive rates but that doesn't drive his decision. Sure, that HDH client might enjoy seeing Lady B (at $250) just as much as Lady A (at $1,000). Some may well see ladies at a wide pariety of price points. But if Lady B doesn't market herself the right way, the client may not even notice her.

*shrug* My guess, anyway. I could be wrong.

[LazurusLong]

Chevalier,

But what happens in your scenario when Lady A is actually Lady B and he doesn't know it until after the fact?

How does that client then continue to look for those who pique his interest not caring about rates when many people in the business world making sufficient income to where 1K or 3K or even 5K for an encounter doesn't matter.

But where that same guy who finds out his golf buddy saved 1K or 3K or 5K when his buddy bought the exact same car gets pissed because even though it was a 100K car, he hates to over pay.

[Guest082216-1]

You sir are close to the point I was trying to make.

Originally Posted by Chevalier

The question implies a paradigm of comparison -- whether the experience with Lady A (at $1,000) is, for that client, better than the experience with Lady B (at $250). Many of the people who approach the decision from that frame of mind would not select a HDH, as they may focus primarily on physical appearance + sexual skills. They can find plenty of women who fit the bill and consider the differences between Lady A and Lady B too small to justify spending the extra $750.

But I suspect some non-negligible portion of the target clientele for HDHs does not approach the decision from that frame of mind. They are seeking "time with a particular lady," rather than a commodified "experience." That is, they don't start by looking at a large pool of attractive and skilled escorts who can offer them a good time and then choose from that pool based on the best "value." They happen across a specific lady who piques their interest, based on a lot of factors (not limited to appearance and BCD performance as reflected in reviews); a lot of it may be her personality, wit, charm, etc. Once they decide they want to see Lady A, it's just a question of whether her rates are within their budget. (It's not necessarily that they're driven by ego, and pay $1,000 for that reason. They may pay $1,000 because they want to see Lady A, and can afford it, rather than want to see Lady A because it costs $1,000.) It may just be because that's the price to see because it shows that they can afford it. Many of theThey don't necessarily compare her to Lady B at all; they may not be interested in Lady B. It's not that the "experience" is better with Lady A than with Lady B, but that it's different. Not because Lady A is necessarily more attractive or more skilled in the bedroom, but because Lady A is not the same person as Lady B. Think of it as a highly individualized form of WALDT, with a pool of choices that is much smaller than for most P4P clients.

That also implies that a HDH has to put much more thought into her target clientele, why she's a good match for them, and how to convey that effectively in her marketing. The shotgun, "target everyone," approach that most escorts use -- post a few salacious pictures, emphasize how much you like to ****, link to your reviews, and offer a rate comparable to most other escorts in the area -- may work for a lot of clients but won't be as effective with this portion of the HDH client pool. Nothing wrong with competitive rates but that doesn't drive his decision. Sure, that HDH client might enjoy seeing Lady B (at $250) just as much as Lady A (at $1,000). Some may well see ladies at a wide pariety of price points. But if Lady B doesn't market herself the right way, the client may not even notice her.

*shrug* My guess, anyway. I could be wrong.

[Chevalier]

Originally Posted by LazurusLong

But what happens in your scenario when Lady A is actually Lady B and he doesn't know it until after the fact?

That's the risk a lady runs when she maintains two or more different personas at significantly different price points. It may maximize her income, but it risks losing any high-end clients who find out about her other persona(s).

By the same token, what about this situation many of us encounter: paying a lady's standard rates knowing that she may well be offering a better deal to another client, whether grandfathered or a lower rate because he's a regular or a lower rate just because she really, really likes him. Few ladies offer the equivalent of "most favored nation" deals, so I'm fairly sure that scenario has happened to me, and probably most P4P clients, quite a few times before. Sometimes it bothers the guy enough to stop seeing her, sometimes it doesn't. Your example seems like just a more extreme version of the same issue; more likely to result in a negative reaction if discovered, but a difference in magnitute rather than a difference in kind..

And, it seems to me, that's irrelevant to the original question of why some clients are willing to pay HDH rates, and what "value" they perceive from it. Or at least irrelevant unless the "value" is the ego-stroke of knowing most other guys can't afford it -- which many guys (who don't pay those rates) seem to believe is the primary motivation. That's a reverse-snobbery explanation, and I personally doubt that explains much of it. *shrug*