being a newby sucks lol what is the best verification service

[Whispers]

There is no "spin" to my response.

There are ways to see ladies and build the references that any guy can use to eventually see most of the ladies he chooses to see..... without paying for a service....

[Codybeast]

You really do not need a verification service to meet providers. While I had an extensive and positive history on ASPD I had been out of the hobby for a few years before finding this place so for the most part I also came with no references. Some providers may require P411 to book with but they are not the majority. The reason I have not signed up with P411 is that I do not want my personal information in some huge database which can end up anywhere and reviewed by anyone regardless of its promise of discretion and security.
All you need is a couple of reviews on newbie friendly providers. If they are not your first choices in a provider you can always simply do a 15 minute B&G or half-hour special. This will keep the initial investment down and you will actually be getting something for the money without giving up your privacy to a database. I believe most providers here would like to earn a living and once a couple of reviews and references prove you are legit you shouldn't have much of a problem. At least that has been the case for me. Obviously if you do not mind putting your Personal information on a verification service database then P411 seems to be the service of choice.
Good luck and happy hobbying

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Codybeast

You really do not need P411 to get references.

or any other service

While I had an extensive history on ASPD I had been out of the hobby for a few years before finding this place so for the most part I also came with no references. Some providers may require P411 to book with but they are not the majority. The reason I have not signed up with P411 is that I do not want my personal information in some huge database which can end up anywhere and reviewed by anyone regardless of its promise of security.

All you need is a couple of reviews on newbie friendly providers.

Visiting Girls having a bad week as well as Agencies, especially if you travel, tend to be far less rigid screening and will still provide references when needed.

If they are not your first choices in a provider you can always simply do a 15 minute B&G or half-hour special.

Not always a bad investment!

This will keep the initial investment down and you will actually be getting something for the money without giving up your privacy to a database.

I believe most providers here would like to earn a living and once a couple of reviews and references prove you are legit you shouldn't have much of a problem. At least that has been the case for me.
Good luck and happy hobbying

Very well said

[Westex]

It does seem that verifications have become a bit on the difficult side these days. i went the P411 route and even paid for the service a few years ago but then the hoops they wanted me to jump through became uncomfortable to say the least based on the type of work I do.

For the casual hobbiest, it is seeming an untenable situation. I may go 6 months between appointments, and unfortunately, the organization of the average provider is lacking enough that they usually can't reference a past appointment, and by the time they figure out they saw me, my window of opportunity has generally passed. I've probably left 6 appointments on the table because of laggy references.

I'm not here to find an ATF, I have moods, and changing interests, and don't see the same provider twice very often, and have other fairly expensive hobby's that vie for my hobby $$$. More often than not, this hobby has lost out.

I don't deny the need for providers safety, which just may make this semi-impossible for the casual hobbier. It has for me, pretty much since ASPD went away. I think I have managed to actually complete an appointment once since then, and that's not for lack of trying.

I believe in this business, and the service it provides, and like many, wish it was not taboo and dangerous for the providers.

[Morgan61]

Being a newbie to eccie myself. Thanks for the advice. Looks like p411 is a good and simple way to go. I'll check it out.

[levibob56]

Westex try bring a small gift that they will remember you by.Just my 2 cents.

[GinaXXX]

The reason I have not signed up with P411 is that I do not want my personal information in some huge database which can end up anywhere and
reviewed by anyone regardless of its promise of discretion and security.

If you have at least two excellent, verifiable references, you need not give us ANY "personal" information. You can also get a complimentary 6 month (no credit card, no strings) trial membership, to try us out, if you are signing up with two references.

If you don't have two references, only then do we need to do an employment verification. Once it has been completed, your information is deleted and destroyed (or shredded if you choose to avoid entering it on the online form). It is NOT kept in our database.

We are only verifying that you are a legitimate client, with a decent reputation in the community. We really don't care who you are.

P411 is in Canada.... 100% in Canada. Our servers, our employees, the owner (me). Preferred411 is an entirely Canadian business and subject only to Canadian laws, if your concern is that of the guilty conscience ("OMG they are going to subpeona that database (which only contains your email address and client id) and somehow just KNOW that I'm breaking the law!!"). Well, having sex in exchange for money is not a crime in Canada, so that's not going to happen.

...and even if we were in the US, being a member of an escort related site is not a crime.

My interest lies is keeping my business healthy and viable long into the future. To do that, I MUST protect my members identities at all cost. It would be really bad for business if I didn't. So I don't even keep that information around. I have no reason to keep it, and I sleep better at night knowing that your information is perfectly safe, because I don't have it.

All the best,
Gina

www.preferred411.com

[Lea Madisson]

Thanks, Gina! Good information.

As a provider, I have to be extra careful in my screening process. At times, I do need to use employment verification and other techniques to try to assure that I am booking an appointment with a safe hobbyist. The one thing I promise, is that any personal information shared is gotten rid of as some as I complete the verification process. A verified client's handle and email address then goes into a flash-drive that I keep away from my laptop and I never take it with me on trips so that I don't have it in my possession just in case I have a problem with LE.

I stress that any info shared with me stays with me because my discretion is important to my reputation of being a trustworthy and dependable provider. If word gets out to the contrary, then my reputation and business is ruined. How do you KNOW that I will be discreet with your info and that I actually do what I say I will do... you don't know for sure... but again.. my reputation depends on it!

HOWEVER, I really hate getting anyone's personal info and always try to direct newbies to services such as P411.

Smooch!

Lea

[Codybeast]

Originally Posted by GinaXXX

If you have at least two excellent, verifiable references, you need not give us ANY "personal" information. You can also get a complimentary 6 month (no credit card, no strings) trial membership, to try us out, if you are signing up with two references.

If you don't have two references, only then do we need to do an employment verification. Once it has been completed, your information is deleted and destroyed (or shredded if you choose to avoid entering it on the online form). It is NOT kept in our database.

We are only verifying that you are a legitimate client, with a decent reputation in the community. We really don't care who you are.

P411 is in Canada.... 100% in Canada. Our servers, our employees, the owner (me). Preferred411 is an entirely Canadian business and subject only to Canadian laws, if your concern is that of the guilty conscience ("OMG they are going to subpeona that database (which only contains your email address and client id) and somehow just KNOW that I'm breaking the law!!"). Well, having sex in exchange for money is not a crime in Canada, so that's not going to happen.

...and even if we were in the US, being a member of an escort related site is not a crime.

My interest lies is keeping my business healthy and viable long into the future. To do that, I MUST protect my members identities at all cost. It would be really bad for business if I didn't. So I don't even keep that information around. I have no reason to keep it, and I sleep better at night knowing that your information is perfectly safe, because I don't have it.

All the best,
Gina

www.preferred411.com

Thanks for the info Gina. it was extremely helpful and informative and did clear up a few misconceptions I had regarding verification services. The information did make me feel better about possibly using a verification service in the future should I ever find it necessary. So far it hasn't been necessary.

[Yssup Rider]

Just isn't worth it.

Yeah bro. P411 fercheezy!

[Codybeast]

Originally Posted by Lea Madisson

Thanks, Gina! Good information.

How do you KNOW that I will be discreet with your info and that I actually do what I say I will do... you don't know for sure... but again.. my reputation depends on it!



Smooch!

Lea

Yes there is always some degree of risk but I suppose it comes down to percentages. The reason a great many in the hobby avoid agencies is because they make a much bigger and far more profitable target for LE than any individual provider. If they're going to go after anybody it will be someone with a great many names to give up rather than a few because it's all about the press coverage.

One example of course being a certain E******** agency out of San Antonio which got busted a few years back. LE made it a point to let everyone know on the air that they had scored several hundred SA & Austin client names and numbers and that every single one of them should be Very nervous.

Don't you think LE/Pre-election Politicians would just LOVE to get ahold of the P411 client list for PR purposes alone?
Of course Gina's post did ease some of that concern for me (Not all). So far I have simply not found a verification service to be a necessity for meeting providers.

[Texasquest]

I agree Cody..a screening service isnt absolutely Necessary...But if i found myself needing to use one.Gina's P411 would be my choice hands down...Is it RISK FREE..absolutely not..but it is by far the less riskier..Fortunantly for me i have always had providers that would verify me..I went the route of using a newbie friendly provider and adding to that...Has worked out great for me..

[mrhappysf]

I wasn't aware of the 2 reference option and 6 month trial on P411 - that is definitely something that sounds like a great way to try their service with minimal risk once you've made the initial leap. As someone who just went through this a few months ago and was very concerned about giving personal information I'd also strongly recommend getting a premium membership and reading the reviews and postings from the ladies you are interested in. I've seen 2 of the ladies that have posted in this thread (VL and BB) and they are both excellent options for newbies IMHO.

[Codybeast]

To answer an inquiry as to what my remaining concern about using a verification service might possibly be.

As we all the know the number one Source of Power is not $$ but Privileged information.
Money won't always get you the information you desire but the right information can easily get you all of the money you desire.
This type and scope of sensitive info is a HUGE amount of power for any One individual or source to have at their disposal.

Something else history has taught us is that too much Power corrupts even the best among us. This is NO insult to P411 or Gina as she appears to be a very sincere individual who has put together a great service. Still there is no guarantee that somehow others in her environment also unknown to me could not ever access the info for it's potential nor do I know the reality of what is going on in her world before providing access to mine. Regardless this is a person/service in another country who I do not know from Adam.

I have also been around the block a few times and have actually studied and witnessed the consistent behavior of man once armed with Privileged information. I've witnessed it being used both for the benefit of others and exploited for self gain at the expense of others.
The art of war teaches that it is not only dangerous but self destructive to provide any more personal information than is absolutely necessary to anyone, anywhere and under any circumstances. By doing so one exposes himself to added vulnerability for absolutely no reason.
I do not consider adding myself to a list (that LE/Politicians would love to get their hands on) to an unknown source in another country absolutely necessary for me. That's just me.

Once again I realize there is some degree of risk involved with providing this info even to local individual providers (Who have a face and voice) but as I stated in the above post it is all about percentages of risk.

[Kit-4-Kat]

Originally Posted by levibob56

Westex try bring a small gift that they will remember you by.Just my 2 cents.

I'd still have that beautiful orchid had it not been for a moving mishap. I still remember, though, and was soooo proud of myself for not killing it!! LOL

XOXOX