Is President Trump an Idiot? Or does he think we are?

[ICU 812]

Sure . . .whatever it takes to avoid a rational discussion.

[Yssup Rider]

Topic is not Biden. Yet somehow, you insist on a rational discussion.

There are dozens of Biden was incompetent threads authored by you and your compadres.

This isn't one of them.

Trump is an idiot. He he thinks we're idiots.

It's possible for both to be right.

[ICU 812]

Sure, Trump.

Well, agree or disagree with him . . .

He does seem to be able to walk and talk at the same time.

He can find his own way out of a public event.

He apparently is intellectually engaged at late hours of the night.

Manages o golf better than most his age and younger.

But then, the bar has been set rather low.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Schwarzer Ritter

The basic question being avoided by the left is shouldn't our strategic goods be manufactured in the United States? If you think that we should rely on China for electronics and metals then you are a fool. If you believe that everything down to combat boots should be made in Dallas then how would you do it?
We have one shipyard for aircraft carriers and it takes a decade to build one. The Kaiser shipyard in Los Angeles could build a Liberty ship in eight days during World War II. A Liberty ship is hardly a modern ship 1100 feet long but I think the point is made. What happens if one of our carriers is seriously damaged or sunk? Remember the ship destroyed by fire pier side a few years ago? Do we put everything on hold for ten years or try to pull back a recently decommissioned ship...if some environmental democrat hasn't sunk it to make a reef somewhere. Amazing that the sea made reefs for millions of years before we came along.

Bottom line, we need our production back in this country.

Well, at the risk of being redundant, why didn't Trump do anything about our dependence on China for rare earth elements when he was in office for four years. Or Biden for that matter.

Please note that if you have a diversified supply chain, that encompasses multiple countries that you can depend on, like Canada, Australia, and the EU, that helps national security. You're not as subject to natural disasters, labor strikes or sabotage wiping out your supplies.

As to the larger issue of what you're getting at with metals and aircraft carriers, if we're paying lots more for steel and aluminum, we're not going to cost effectively produce tanks, battleships and the like. The Chinese can afford to build a lot more of those than we can if they're paying a fraction of what we do. Our imports of aluminum come mostly from Canada. The top suppliers of steel are Canada, Mexico, Brazil, South Korea, and Japan, in that order. In other words, it's not like they're coming from places like China, which theoretically could cut off supplies if we get crossways with them.

We don't have big resources of rare earth ores, and a lot of what we do have is in California. Fat chance we'll mine or process the ores there. It makes a lot of sense to encourage development of deposits in countries or territories like Canada and Greenland that we can depend on. Invading other countries and incorporating them into the USA would be huge overkill however IMHO.

About electronics, yes, you've got a point, but only with respect to some items. There are a lot of low end consumer electronics assembled by women on factory floors in Asia. It's mind-numbing, repetitive work, not something that most Americans want to do. And most of it's not important to our national security.

The irony is that, China excepted, Trump placed the highest tariffs on countries like Cambodia, Vietnam, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. The bulk of what they send us, like garments and consumer electronics, isn't relevant to national security. Companies have incurred huge costs building factories in those countries because of the Trump/Biden tariffs on China. Now they'll end up doing the same thing again, in countries Trump hasn't targeted yet. It's insane!

I'm not sure how inefficiencies at the U.S. shipyard that's manufacturing aircraft carriers is relevant to this discussion. That sounds like fuckups on the part of the American shipbuilder, the Navy and our federal government.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

Manages o golf better than most his age and younger.

But then, the bar has been set rather low.

No sher shitlock! How do you suppose he'd do playing golf on someone else's course.

You're hilarious bro!

LOLLING!

[ICU 812]

And because this is a Trump thread we won't address the low bar?

Oh well, time will show everyone what is what.

Whatgever happens, someone will have to eat crow . . .just who?

Right after the election I couldn't make do relevant cheering and bet collecting because I was sent to banned camp for inadvertently hijacking a topic on another forum.

Right now, it is my best guess that VP Vance or another conservative Republican will succeed a successful President Trump. . . .but that is still a ways off.

[69in2it69]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

And because this is a Trump thread we won't address the low bar?

Oh well, time will show everyone what is what.

Whatgever happens, someone will have to eat crow . . .just who?

Right after the election I couldn't make do relevant cheering and bet collecting because I was sent to banned camp for inadvertently hijacking a topic on another forum.

Right now, it is my best guess that VP Vance or another conservative Republican will succeed a successful President Trump. . . .but that is still a ways off.

I'll take that bet, how much?

[Tiny]

So, not only did Trump not make implementation of his dumb ass tariffs gradual, so alternate supply chains could be developed. But he also failed to ensure we'd have a supply of rare earth elements. This is important because 90% of worldwide processing capacity for rare earth elements is in China.

So what did China do today in retaliation for average U.S. tariffs on its exports of 70% to 75% by the estimation of some analysts? Well, it slapped controls on exports of samarium, gadolinium, terbium, dysprosium, lutetium, scandium and yttrium to the USA. They're important or essential for certain medical, aerospace, defense, and electronic applications.

The Very Stable Genius should have seen this coming. I mentioned it first in this forum in 2019.

Now the USA is over a barrel.

[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by 69in2it69

I'll take that bet, how much?

What is the issue in contention?

Any way, the only bet I will make on this forum is for the loser to not post to the Political Forum for a whole week.

Sh what is thebet you wish to make?

[69in2it69]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

What is the issue in contention?

Any way, the only bet I will make on this forum is for the loser to not post to the Political Forum for a whole week.

Sh what is thebet you wish to make?

I think that's a very reasonable wager. No post on this forum for a week.


I bet a Republican doesn't win the Presidential election (we have to have an election...sad to have to put this condition in). And I'll give you a month vs. a week (4:1) odds Vance doesn't even get the nomination.


And I'll open this up to 12 others with the same parameters. Come on Turdlican's, you can keep me out of this forum for 2 years if Vance wins.

[Schwarzer Ritter]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Well, at the risk of being redundant, why didn't Trump do anything about our dependence on China for rare earth elements when he was in office for four years. Or Biden for that matter.

Please note that if you have a diversified supply chain, that encompasses multiple countries that you can depend on, like Canada, Australia, and the EU, that helps national security. You're not as subject to natural disasters, labor strikes or sabotage wiping out your supplies.

As to the larger issue of what you're getting at with metals and aircraft carriers, if we're paying lots more for steel and aluminum, we're not going to cost effectively produce tanks, battleships and the like. The Chinese can afford to build a lot more of those than we can if they're paying a fraction of what we do. Our imports of aluminum come mostly from Canada. The top suppliers of steel are Canada, Mexico, Brazil, South Korea, and Japan, in that order. In other words, it's not like they're coming from places like China, which theoretically could cut off supplies if we get crossways with them.

We don't have big resources of rare earth ores, and a lot of what we do have is in California. Fat chance we'll mine or process the ores there. It makes a lot of sense to encourage development of deposits in countries or territories like Canada and Greenland that we can depend on. Invading other countries and incorporating them into the USA would be huge overkill however IMHO.

About electronics, yes, you've got a point, but only with respect to some items. There are a lot of low end consumer electronics assembled by women on factory floors in Asia. It's mind-numbing, repetitive work, not something that most Americans want to do. And most of it's not important to our national security.

The irony is that, China excepted, Trump placed the highest tariffs on countries like Cambodia, Vietnam, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. The bulk of what they send us, like garments and consumer electronics, isn't relevant to national security. Companies have incurred huge costs building factories in those countries because of the Trump/Biden tariffs on China. Now they'll end up doing the same thing again, in countries Trump hasn't targeted yet. It's insane!

I'm not sure how inefficiencies at the U.S. shipyard that's manufacturing aircraft carriers is relevant to this discussion. That sounds like fuckups on the part of the American shipbuilder, the Navy and our federal government.

Because other than a military base, an aircraft carrier is probably the largest and most labor intense piece of hardware the military buys.

If you can't remember Trump was fighting the deep state, impeachment, and his own party. He was lucky to get the wall started. That and Trump trusted too many insiders. Remember how the Pentagon lied to him about the troop pullout in iraq?

[69in2it69]

Originally Posted by Schwarzer Ritter

Because other than a military base, an aircraft carrier is probably the largest and most labor intense piece of hardware the military buys.

If you can't remember Trump was fighting the deep state, impeachment, and his own party. He was lucky to get the wall started. That and Trump trusted too many insiders. Remember how the Pentagon lied to him about the troop pullout in iraq?

Rejection of External Criticism
• Political Cults: Any media or organization not controlled by the cult is dismissed as propaganda.
• Trump Context: The phrase “fake news” became a core mantra. Institutions like the FBI or courts are seen as part of a “deep state” working against Trump.

Conspiracy Theories / Secret Knowledge
• Political Cults: Complex theories justify the leader’s power and vilify opponents.
• Trump Context: QAnon, “stolen election,” or even the belief that Trump is secretly fighting a global cabal are common among certain factions.

walks like a duck, quacks like a duck

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by 69in2it69

Rejection of External Criticism
• Political Cults: Any media or organization not controlled by the cult is dismissed as propaganda.
• Trump Context: The phrase “fake news” became a core mantra. Institutions like the FBI or courts are seen as part of a “deep state” working against Trump.

Conspiracy Theories / Secret Knowledge
• Political Cults: Complex theories justify the leader’s power and vilify opponents.
• Trump Context: QAnon, “stolen election,” or even the belief that Trump is secretly fighting a global cabal are common among certain factions.

walks like a duck, quacks like a duck

Conspiracy Theories .. if you say so



bahahahaaa

[69in2it69]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Conspiracy Theories .. if you say so



bahahahaaa

Why Yes I Do


bahahahaaa

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by Tiny

So, not only did Trump not make implementation of his dumb ass tariffs gradual, so alternate supply chains could be developed. But he also failed to ensure we'd have a supply of rare earth elements. This is important because 90% of worldwide processing capacity for rare earth elements is in China.

So what did China do today in retaliation for average U.S. tariffs on its exports of 70% to 75% by the estimation of some analysts? Well, it slapped controls on exports of samarium, gadolinium, terbium, dysprosium, lutetium, scandium and yttrium to the USA. They're important or essential for certain medical, aerospace, defense, and electronic applications.

The Very Stable Genius should have seen this coming. I mentioned it first in this forum in 2019.

Now the USA is over a barrel.

... You're making me laugh, mate...

Trump has calculated for the China moves.
Uh, like He calculated the jobs creation.
Above Expectations! ... Go look.

... And China's gonna blink in the tariff battle.
As the other nations start to roll over.

#### Salty