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Old 02-05-2025, 10:32 PM   #31
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... Now I'm getting blue... ... What are you lads on about??

As I already mentioned, the Rooney Rule does NOT mean
that a team has to HIRE a minority candidate.
The spirit of the rule is to expand the interview
process to include minority coaches. ... And NOT just
for the Head Coach or Manager positions.

So, that said - the Steelers are under NO Obligation
to keep Mike Tomlin - or even make another minority
hire - if that is even what Tomlin was.

... I reckon that the Steelers were interested in
Mike Tomlin as their head coach anyway. And this
Rooney Rule had little to do with that.

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Old 02-05-2025, 11:17 PM   #32
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Ok Salty, the RR was created because 2 of the 3 black NFL coaches got fired in the same year, one of them was Tony Dungee, who I've met and admired, a great Steeler and coach.

It's only the Rooney rule because he led the committee that year.

But they embraced it early and hard, I'm not repeating history.

Tomlin has to go, two variables, owners, and head coach, one or both aren't working properly.
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Old 02-05-2025, 11:19 PM   #33
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So, what is the number of black head coaches today?
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Old 02-05-2025, 11:25 PM   #34
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11 of 32.

If, you base the number of NFL coaches by race, it would be 14 percent, a bit generous.

But, it's 34 percent, vs 9 percent the year before the RR was enacted.

Once the percentages deviate enough, a pattern is established, and black NFl coaches are being chosen over white coaches, and something I'd causing it.

What could that be?
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Old Yesterday, 10:12 AM   #35
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You're only looking at current representation and not the turnover stats.

You want to account for that churn rate on a yearly basis, and also look at some CAGR calcs.
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Old Yesterday, 07:57 PM   #36
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11 of 32.

If, you base the number of NFL coaches by race, it would be 14 percent, a bit generous.

But, it's 34 percent, vs 9 percent the year before the RR was enacted.

Once the percentages deviate enough, a pattern is established, and black NFl coaches are being chosen over white coaches, and something I'd causing it.

What could that be?

... I still am NOT seeing how the Rooney Rule is a
big issue, mate... The creme surely rises to the top
and the GOOD coaches/managers are valued and retained.
While the shitty ones are fired or not retained.
Age, experience, or skin-colour doesn't seem to matter.
... Reckon it's a results-oriented business.

... 'Tis a situation that surely plays itself out.
I don't think Tomlin is being kept on because of the
Rooney Rule - I believe that Art Rooney (or whomever is
calling out the shots) must really feel that Tomlin
is some-sort of outstanding coach - even if the results
don't bear that out.

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Old Yesterday, 08:40 PM   #37
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There are $50 million reasons that Tomlin won't be fired.

Rooney doesn't want to eat even an assistant coach's contract, you think he'll eat Tomlin's?

He stupidly gave him a no trade clause with the extension and is now stuck unless Tomlin wants a change.
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See, some folks see DEI everywhere and can't see past it to good old-fashioned bad management.

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