Tariffs - genius or the beginning of the end?

[Green_Mountain]

So the news cycle will continue to inundate us with tariffs being threatened, implemented etc.

Are tariffs bad or are they a negotiation tactic that can also be used to move manufacturing back into the US and/or make US made products more appealing to consumers?

Also, I was shocked when I found out the level of tariffs Canada and Mexico charge the US for our exports. How is this fair? How is this a level playing field?

Your thoughts if any?

Canada’s current tariffs against US.

Dairy Products:
Milk is subject to a 270% tariff.
Cheese faces a 245% tariff.
Butter is taxed at 298%.

Meat and Poultry:
Chicken has a tariff of 238%.
Bovine meat products are taxed at 26.5%.

Grains and Agricultural Products:
Barley seed has a 57.8% tariff.
Wheat is subject to a 94% tariff.
Sugar faces a 265% tariff.
Rice has a 150% tariff.
Vegetables are taxed at 100%.

Other Food Products:
Peanut butter is subject to a 295% tariff.
Eggs have a 163% tariff.

Processed Foods:
Sausages have a tariff of 69.9%.
Fisheries:
Fish products are taxed at 100%.

Manufactured Goods:
Cars are subject to a 25% tariff.
Steel products also face a 25% tariff.
Aluminum has a 45% tariff.
Copper is taxed at 48%.
HVAC systems are subject to a 45% tariff.
Vacuums and cable boxes have a 35% tariff.
TVs have a 45% tariff.

Other Products:
Lumber has a 20% tariff.
Shoes are taxed at 30%.
Cocoa products face a 30% tariff.
Wool has a 30% tariff.
Tobacco products have tariffs over 100%.

[Green_Mountain]

Tariffs that Mexico charges on US products?

Steel and Aluminum: Tariffs ranging from 5% to 50% were established in April 2024 on specified products, including steel and aluminum. This is part of a broader tariff hike on over 544 goods, effective for two years starting from April 23, 2024.

Other goods in the 544 number:

Textiles, Clothing, and Footwear.

Wood, Plastics, and Chemicals: Products manufactured from these materials.

Paper and Cardboard: Including packaging materials.

Ceramics, Glass: Including household and industrial items.

Electrical and Transportation Equipment: Such as parts and finished goods.

Musical Instruments and Furniture: Both for consumer and industrial use.

Also:
Agricultural Products:
Mexico has historically retaliated with tariffs on U.S. agricultural products like apples, cranberries, and cheeses in response to U.S. tariffs on Mexican steel and aluminum. These retaliatory tariffs can range from 15 to 25 percent.

Consumer Goods: Mexico charges a 17% tariff on everything sent from the U.S. for consumers, sometimes with additional fees, which could imply that even consumer goods might face tariffs or duties beyond what's officially listed for specific products.

[Devo]

Wow, I had no idea those existed.

Ours seem minor compared to those against us.

I remember in Newfoundland how high priced American products were.

[HDGristle]

You should review our unified tariffs schedule

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

You should review our unified tariffs schedule

and you should know our tariff schedule is in retaliation to theirs and not nearly as high. that needs to change


follow the breadcrumbs .. you'll figure it out and the fact that your bacon and coffee is only 25% more is nothing compared to the tariff on imported steel used to make the car you drive.

[winn dixie]

Where are these numbers coming from?
And to add......
Trumpfs tariffs lead to this bad economy. Now he's gonna impose more!
What kinda idiot wants to do that when it directly increases the price of goods. Said goods are already inflated because of trumpfs first term.
Trumpfs tariffs is just more losing

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by winn dixie

Where are these numbers coming from?
And to add......
Trumpfs tariffs lead to this bad economy. Now he's gonna impose more!
What kinda idiot wants to do that when it directly increases the price of goods. Said goods are already inflated because of trumpfs first term.
Trumpfs tariffs is just more losing

... Wrong. ... On ALL counts. ...

#### Salty

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

and you should know our tariff schedule is in retaliation to theirs and not nearly as high. that needs to change

follow the breadcrumbs .. you'll figure it out and the fact that your bacon and coffee is only 25% more is nothing compared to the tariff on imported steel used to make the car you drive.

You learned very little from the poultry example. So much pain to come.

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Wrong. ... On ALL counts. ...

#### Salty

Ahhh no No I'm not.
Trumpfs tariffs are bad been bad and getting worse. They're compounding problems he started in his first term
Golly folks!

[Green_Mountain]

Originally Posted by winn dixie

Where are these numbers coming from?
And to add......
Trumpfs tariffs lead to this bad economy. Now he's gonna impose more!
What kinda idiot wants to do that when it directly increases the price of goods. Said goods are already inflated because of trumpfs first term.
Trumpfs tariffs is just more losing

So wait.

If Trump’s tariffs from term 1 were so bad for the economy and unfair why did potato head Joe keep them in place during his term? Joe could have canceled them at any time.

[Green_Mountain]

And you guys do realize the impetus for these current tariffs is border security and that really bad drug that starts with f that I can’t say?

From what I’ve read folks on the terror watch list have increased border crossings via Canada as they have open borders and lax rules.

Or forget the tariffs, let’s just accept things the way they are.

[Green_Mountain]

We’re playing a game of chicken driving a semi truck and the other guy is on a scooter. And all I hear is crying. Canada/Mexico will feel WAY more pain than the US and I’m ok taking the risk that they’ll buckle. Quit being a pussy.

Mexico exports to U.S. as a percentage of GDP: 35%

Canada exports to U.S. as a percentage of GDP: 22%

U.S. exports to Canada as a percentage of GDP: 1.5%

U.S. exports to Mexico as a percentage of GDP: 1.2%

[HDGristle]

The bull in a china shop approach to diplomacy

This is an odd way to try to get a domestic beer back into the number one spot after you boys helped accelerate the trend.

A lot of folks who can't see China waiting in the wings, salivating.

[winn dixie]

Guys,
It's too damn early for this!
Lol

[Green_Mountain]

What? China is salivating?

China is going to start accepting all the exports from Canada and Mexico that currently go to the US? That is the center of the pain point.