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Old 12-15-2024, 09:45 AM   #1
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Default COVID SHMOVID! Let’s bring back polio!

Remember polio?

RFKJ’s antivax lawyer is fighting to bring it back. You know, to protect people from … who the fuck knows what!

Mitch McConnell - a polio survivor - lost his shit. Even Twitler thinks it’s a goofy idea.

Just another day in MAGAville. Sorry for the long read. Read it all at the link below.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/13/h...-vaccines.html

Kennedy’s Lawyer Has Asked the F.D.A. to Revoke Approval of the Polio Vaccine
Aaron Siri, who specializes in vaccine lawsuits, has been at Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s side reviewing candidates for top jobs at the Department of Health and Human Services.


Dec. 13, 2024

The lawyer helping Robert F. Kennedy Jr. pick federal health officials for the incoming Trump administration has petitioned the government to revoke its approval of the polio vaccine, which for decades has protected millions of people from a virus that can cause paralysis or death.

That campaign is just one front in the war that the lawyer, Aaron Siri, is waging against vaccines of all kinds.

Mr. Siri has also filed a petition seeking to pause the distribution of 13 other vaccines; challenged, and in some cases quashed, Covid vaccine mandates around the country; sued federal agencies for the disclosure of records related to vaccine approvals; and subjected prominent vaccine scientists to grueling videotaped depositions.

Much of Mr. Siri’s work — including the polio petition filed in 2022 — has been on behalf of the Informed Consent Action Network, a nonprofit whose founder is a close ally of Mr. Kennedy. Mr. Siri also represented Mr. Kennedy during his presidential campaign.

Mr. Kennedy, President-elect Donald J. Trump’s choice for health secretary, has said that he does not want to take away access to any vaccines. But as he prepares for his confirmation hearing and plans a fresh health agenda, his continuing close partnership with Mr. Siri suggests that vaccine policy will be under sharp scrutiny. It is a chilling prospect to many public health leaders, especially those who recall the deadly toll of some vaccine-mitigated diseases.

At the Trump transition headquarters in Florida, Mr. Siri has joined Mr. Kennedy in questioning and choosing candidates for top health positions, according to someone who observed the interactions but insisted on anonymity to disclose private conversations. They have asked candidates about their views of vaccines, the person said.

Mr. Kennedy has privately expressed interest in having Mr. Siri serve in the Health and Human Services Department’s top legal job, general counsel. However, Mr. Siri has suggested he may have more influence outside the administration. At his law firm, Siri & Glimstad, he oversees about 40 professionals working on vaccine cases and policy.

“Somebody on the outside needs to be petitioning them,” he said on a podcast in late November.

Either way, it’s clear that his voice will be heard at the highest levels.

“I love Aaron Siri,” Mr. Kennedy said in a clip played on a recent episode of a podcast hosted by Del Bigtree, who is Mr. Kennedy’s former campaign communications director and the founder of the Informed Consent Action Network, which describes itself as a “medical freedom” nonprofit. “There’s nobody who’s been a greater asset to the medical freedom movement than him.”

Like Mr. Kennedy, Mr. Siri insists he does not want to take vaccines away from anyone who wants them. “You want to get the vaccine — it’s America, a free country.” he told Arizona legislators last year after laying out his concerns about the vaccines for polio and other illnesses.

He did not mention the petitions he has lodged on behalf of ICAN with the Food and Drug Administration, asking regulators to withdraw or suspend approval of vaccines not only for polio, but also for hepatitis B.

Mr. Siri is also representing ICAN in petitioning the F.D.A. to “pause distribution” of 13 other vaccines, including combination products that cover tetanus, diphtheria, polio and hepatitis A, until their makers disclose details about aluminum, an ingredient researchers have associated with a small increase in asthma cases.


Mr. Siri declined to be interviewed, but said all of his petitions were filed on behalf of clients. Katie Miller, a spokeswoman for Mr. Kennedy, said Mr. Siri has been advising Mr. Kennedy but has not discussed his petitions with any of the health nominees. She added, “Mr. Kennedy has long said that he wants transparency in vaccines and to give people choice.”

If the Senate confirms Mr. Kennedy as health secretary, he will oversee the F.D.A. In that capacity, he could take the rare step of intervening in the F.D.A.’s review of the petitions.

Vaccines undergo extensive testing before they are approved, and are monitored for safety after they come on the market. The process of taking an established drug off the market can be lengthy. The F.D.A. would need to outline a new safety concern in writing and give the vaccine’s maker a chance to respond. The F.D.A. would then hold a hearing and render a decision. If the company did not agree with the outcome, it could sue.

Mr. Trump and Mr. Kennedy have spoken about vaccines, the president-elect told Time magazine in an interview published Thursday. Mr. Trump pledged to do “very serious testing” and to get rid of some vaccines “if I think it’s dangerous, if I think they are not beneficial.”.

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Old 12-15-2024, 01:14 PM   #2
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You're still consuming fake news.

https://www.science.org/content/arti...etected-africa

https://nationalpost.com/health/more...rus-who-report

The childhood vaccine regiment has gone from 8 vaccines in the 1970's to around 70 vaccines for todays kids. Do you really believe 70 vaccines is for the children's benefit or Big Pharma's?
Also. There's no autism whatsoever in the completely unvaxed Amish population. Was RFK Junior's vaccine stance ok when he was a Democrat? Or is his position only bad now that he's with Trump?

You know those COVID shots that you took cross the blood/brain barrier, don't you? Could that be the problem?
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Old 12-15-2024, 02:25 PM   #3
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Basically the same thing a lung virus that kills or some time leaves you paralyzed. That why I say COVID all hype.
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Old 12-15-2024, 05:20 PM   #4
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You're still consuming fake news.

https://www.science.org/content/arti...etected-africa

https://nationalpost.com/health/more...rus-who-report

The childhood vaccine regiment has gone from 8 vaccines in the 1970's to around 70 vaccines for todays kids. Do you really believe 70 vaccines is for the children's benefit or Big Pharma's?
Also. There's no autism whatsoever in the completely unvaxed Amish population. Was RFK Junior's vaccine stance ok when he was a Democrat? Or is his position only bad now that he's with Trump?

You know those COVID shots that you took cross the blood/brain barrier, don't you? Could that be the problem?
Holy moly.

This is about RFKJs attorney trying to yank the FDA approval for the polio vaccine. The stories you posted - thank you for that - don't seem to be related to what the guy is trying to do in the United States.

I was blissfully unaware of RFKJ when he was a Democrat. Just became aware of him after the pandemic. His bullshit was equally loony then.

In my opinion his attorney is a bigger crackpot than he is, and behind much of the antivax activities in the courtroom.
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Old 12-15-2024, 08:03 PM   #5
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What people fail to understand about vaccines is this. Regardless of the “unproven” side effects of vaccines that everyone is worried about, leaving large numbers of unvaccinated people around just invalidates the whole purpose behind getting vaccinated.

And no one who remembers what it was like before large scale vaccination efforts wants to go back to a time when polio, measles, rubella, hepatitis, and other infectious diseases ran rampant throughout our society.
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Old 12-15-2024, 10:05 PM   #6
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... Wrong forum for this thread... Hopefully it will be moved
to the general forum.

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Old 12-16-2024, 06:06 AM   #7
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What people fail to understand about vaccines is this. Regardless of the “unproven” side effects of vaccines that everyone is worried about, leaving large numbers of unvaccinated people around just invalidates the whole purpose behind getting vaccinated.

And no one who remembers what it was like before large scale vaccination efforts wants to go back to a time when polio, measles, rubella, hepatitis, and other infectious diseases ran rampant throughout our society.

They have way over done vaccination efforts. You need to have natural immunity and strong immune systems to combat new diseases. Over vaccinating seems to be having the opposite effect.


Mumps and Chicken Pox had very little serious issues in children. Now if you didn't get them when you were younger as adults they were more complications. But the flip side of giving all kids Chicken Pox vaccinations is that adults are not getting a boost from being exposed to it again and the cases of Shingles are increasing unless people get a Shingles vaccine.


So in effect over vaccinating is actually causing a problem.
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Old 12-16-2024, 07:22 AM   #8
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They have way over done vaccination efforts. You need to have natural immunity and strong immune systems to combat new diseases. Over vaccinating seems to be having the opposite effect.

Mumps and Chicken Pox had very little serious issues in children. Now if you didn't get them when you were younger as adults they were more complications. But the flip side of giving all kids Chicken Pox vaccinations is that adults are not getting a boost from being exposed to it again and the cases of Shingles are increasing unless people get a Shingles vaccine.

So in effect over vaccinating is actually causing a problem.
When someone uses the word “seems” to advocate their argument it loses a little credibility.

I certainly understand your position and I have no problem if the government wants to do long term vaccine studies. However stopping vaccination efforts would both affect the results of any studies attempted as well as create a new class of individuals, kids by the way, unprotected against a wide variety of diseases that we’ve mostly eradicated in the United States. Which includes polio.
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I am just curious to see the credentials of any scientists or physicians who come out and openly support that nut job's vaccines elimination obsession.
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... Wrong forum for this thread... Hopefully it will be moved
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#### Salty
When RFKJ is dropped as a political appointee, this stupid shit can go anywhere you say, mod Salty.

However, this entire discussion is about the stupidity en route to the next Trump regime.

Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but you know, sour grapes….
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When I was drafted and went overseas, I was vaccinated for just about every known ailment that there was a vaccine for.

Those in their mid to late 70’s can remember when we were all taken to the cafeteria at our elementary school and lined up to get the Salk Polio shot. Then, just a little later, when the Sabin Oral Polio Vaccine came out, we all ate our sugar cube.

Heck, you couldn’t even enroll in elementary school before you got your Small Pox Vaccine.

I think the big difference today is these, and the ones I got in the Army, were true vaccines. They actually allowed the body to make permanent antibodies for the ailment. If you had the vaccine, you were immune.

The public is now wary of anything that the Government sponsors because of Covid. First, it was touted as a true vaccine, then they said you could get Covid, but could not transmit it. Then it finally came about that all it did was (maybe) prevented you from getting as sick with Covid as you would if you were unvaccinated.

The only thing that everybody was 100% sure of was it made Big Pharma a lot of money.
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When RFKJ is dropped as a political appointee, this stupid shit can go anywhere you say, mod Salty.

However, this entire discussion is about the stupidity en route to the next Trump regime.

Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but you know, sour grapes….
... No sour grape here... Just SUCCESS! ...

But, NOT seeing how this thread is political in nature.
However, here's Salty MAKING it political. ...

... Trump has already stated that He's glad that
the polio vaccine exists. ... With that, I don't
believe the vaccine is going away any time soon.

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Old 12-16-2024, 11:34 PM   #14
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I heard he came out n support of the polio vaccine.

Good for him.

Why then is he supporting a nutsack who doesn’t?

Or is this another “I just report what I hear” moment? I sincerely hope not.
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When someone uses the word “seems” to advocate their argument it loses a little credibility.

I certainly understand your position and I have no problem if the government wants to do long term vaccine studies. However stopping vaccination efforts would both affect the results of any studies attempted as well as create a new class of individuals, kids by the way, unprotected against a wide variety of diseases that we’ve mostly eradicated in the United States. Which includes polio.

Well when you deal with life sciences there is very little black and white answers. A life time in Agriculture has reinforced that time and time again.
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