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Old 12-08-2024, 10:57 AM   #16
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And yet you believe anything ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, NY Times... puts out their. Grow up
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Old 12-08-2024, 11:08 AM   #17
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When I see a political post supported by certain link sources i already know its opinionated propaganda. Because these sources hold zero accountability.
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Old 12-08-2024, 11:57 AM   #18
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That is complete bullshit. The only time they get it right is if it benefits their narrative. If it doesn't support what they want to push they ignore it or in many cases make shit. They may eventually issue a correction but only after the damage has been done and it no longer matters to the outcome they are in favor of. Prior to Elon buying twitter you lefties were all about using it as a source of info but now that it is an open forum it somehow becomes unreliable. The main stream media has a long way to go to regain their credibility after all the lies and bullshit they spouted during the last 2 elections.
Twitter used to have verified accounts, not purchased and anonymous accounts, and a robust and reliable moderation and fact checking system. That’s why it was used and even then A lot of what was posted was opinion and not reporting.

X, truth social and any of the other social media platforms are not credible sources of information. IMHO A lot of other so called “news” sources aren’t either.

You may not like the slant of some of the mainstream media platforms but they at least try to get it quickly and accurately reported.

And let us not forget that when mainstream media lies constantly they get sued and settle for three quarters of a billion dollars. IE Fox News.

That doesn’t happen on social media therefore what accountability exists on those platforms to actually make certain that accurate information is being shared. Absolutely none. In fact the opposite holds true. The more outrage you spit out the more engagement you get and the more money you make.

In summation.
Mainstream Media: Slanted but mostly accurate.
Social Media: A pit of misinformation, racism, misogyny (basically the worst impulses of mankind), and occasionally a nugget of truth.
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Old 12-08-2024, 12:14 PM   #19
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And yet you believe anything ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, NY Times... puts out their. Grow up
These organizations are regulated by laws and ethics, FCC regulations even more so for broadcast networks.

They can be held accountable for malicious reporting and often are.

X and Twump Social are not. When was the last time you saw a retraction on a social media platform?l like telegram? LOLLING!

Disagree with them if you like, but the truth matters. Misinformation leading to an opinion is how oligarchs and dictators seize control.

You grow up sir.
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Old 12-08-2024, 12:16 PM   #20
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Twitter used to have verified accounts, not purchased and anonymous accounts, and a robust and reliable moderation and fact checking system. That’s why it was used and even then A lot of what was posted was opinion and not reporting.

X, truth social and any of the other social media platforms are not credible sources of information. IMHO A lot of other so called “news” sources aren’t either.

You may not like the slant of some of the mainstream media platforms but they at least try to get it quickly and accurately reported.

And let us not forget that when mainstream media lies constantly they get sued and settle for three quarters of a billion dollars. IE Fox News.

That doesn’t happen on social media therefore what accountability exists on those platforms to actually make certain that accurate information is being shared. Absolutely none. In fact the opposite holds true. The more outrage you spit out the more engagement you get and the more money you make.

In summation.
Mainstream Media: Slanted but mostly accurate.
Social Media: A pit of misinformation, racism, misogyny (basically the worst impulses of mankind), and occasionally a nugget of truth.
Pretty much everything you said is BS. You're telling me that every main stream news outlet really tried to get the Hunter laptop fiasco correct? Correcting your misinformation after the election is over doesn't make you credible.
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Old 12-08-2024, 12:19 PM   #21
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No, it makes you responsible.

If your anxiety over the Hunter Biden laptop is your measure of journalistic integrity, then this isn't much of a discussion. Txdot is correct and you're cherry picking MAGA grievances.
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Old 12-08-2024, 12:22 PM   #22
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News agencies don’t always get it right but they do their best to provide facts when reporting. And when they get it wrong it’s usually followed up with better reporting and a retraction of the incorrect information.

That’s what makes them relevant and reliable news sources.

They haven't come close to getting it right the last 4 years.
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Old 12-08-2024, 12:25 PM   #23
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When true news outlets are held to high standards and ethics you get a better sense of what's going on. Whether you like it or not.
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Old 12-08-2024, 12:27 PM   #24
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They haven't come close to getting it right the last 4 years.
Way closer than the conspiracies that are rampant on truthsocial gateway telegram and Twitty.

Not even close
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Old 12-08-2024, 12:34 PM   #25
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When true news outlets are held to high standards and ethics you get a better sense of what's going on. Whether you like it or not.
This is the relevant quote. ”Whether you like it or not.”

They don’t like hearing the truth therefore they claim illegitimacy. It’s so much easier than proving the truth to be lies.
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Old 12-08-2024, 12:34 PM   #26
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There are no “True News Outlets”.

When the Founding Fathers instituted a “Free Press” in the First Amendment, I doubt they ever foresaw a “Press” that was sold out to one Political Ideology and to become the willing lackeys by doing the bidding of that Idealology.

When a Major news outlet Give one Political Candidate 98% positive reporting, and another Political Candidate 98% negative reporting, it is not difficult to see what is going on.

Luckily, the American Electorate is catching on to this scam. The Re-Election of Donald Trump as the 47th President of the United States is proof of this.
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Old 12-08-2024, 12:39 PM   #27
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Direct quotes are legitimate wherever they appear. (Unless they're AI or some such bullshit).

Yet if Trumpf says something crazy on camera that's aired by ABC, your knee jerk reaction is that it is negative reporting. And deny it happened. Did you watch TV on Jan 6th 2021?

That's why this discussion is so difficult for some folks. It's not a scam. It's a toxic byproduct of a decades-long assault on responsible journalism.

You should want the truth. Or at least accept it when it doesnt support your opinion.

Debate, remember?
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Old 12-08-2024, 01:58 PM   #28
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No, it makes you responsible.

If your anxiety over the Hunter Biden laptop is your measure of journalistic integrity, then this isn't much of a discussion. Txdot is correct and you're cherry picking MAGA grievances.

I'm not cherry picking shit. Go read the list in post #2. The main stream media is so biased against conservatives they don't even try to hide it. They have been part of the DNC for the past 9 years. You, WD, Txdot and a host of others are right there with them.

Enjoy the next 12 years. I know I will.
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Old 12-08-2024, 02:52 PM   #29
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I'm not cherry picking shit. Go read the list in post #2. The main stream media is so biased against conservatives they don't even try to hide it. They have been part of the DNC for the past 9 years. You, WD, Txdot and a host of others are right there with them.

Enjoy the next 12 years. I know I will.
for the past 9 years. IMHO much longer
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Old 12-08-2024, 03:03 PM   #30
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I'm not cherry picking shit. Go read the list in post #2. The main stream media is so biased against conservatives they don't even try to hide it. They have been part of the DNC for the past 9 years. You, WD, Txdot and a host of others are right there with them.

Enjoy the next 12 years. I know I will.
Everything in post #2 was reported on, as more information became available things were corrected and reported on again. That’s the way investigative journalism works.

You report the information you have at the time while fact checking as much as possible. As time passes and you investigate more details emerge that might change the narrative or prove it wrong. You report that.

All mainstream media is biased to some degree. But to label it as all biased against conservatives is just plain wrong. Plenty of talk radio is heavily biased to the right. Fox news is biased to the right. The wall street journal is biased to the right. I’m sure there are many more that i’m not aware of.

You’re argument just doesn’t make any logical sense.
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