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Old 02-12-2024, 02:34 PM   #31
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ISIS was in no way destroyed by Trump, and they still exist today.

Trump’s claims of conquering “almost 100% [of the Islamic State] … since our election” are false. Objective history records that Obama launched and oversaw much of the victorious war that the current (trump) president claims for himself.
I didn't hear much about ISIS when Trump was in office. Whether he conquered them or not they weren't very active during his administration.
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Old 02-13-2024, 03:01 PM   #32
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At very least this is more blather from the world’s leading asshole. However, words like this sound more like a threat and, yes, continued collusion with Russia.

The MAGAs believe Trump speaks for them.

He sure speaks a lot. Can’t say it’s because of his age. It’s because he’s always been a con man and bully.

The Art of the Steal…

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Trump says he would 'encourage' Russia to attack NATO allies who don’t pay up
White House blasts the former president's comments as “appalling and unhinged.”

February 11, 2024 | 9:18 am CET

Former U.S. President Donald Trump on Saturday said he would “encourage” Russia to attack any NATO member country that didn’t meet its financial obligations to the defense alliance, in remarks that the White House repudiated as “appalling and unhinged.”

There have been growing worries in Europe over the reliability of the decades-old U.S. commitment to European security — highlighted by the partisan gridlock in Washington over a crucial aid package to U.S. ally Ukraine — but Trump’s words are forcing Europeans to seriously consider an end to the transatlantic alliance.

“These are the words of a serious candidate for president so they should be treated seriously,” Polish Deputy Foreign Minister Paweł Zalewski told POLITICO. “If we do that, then it means a change to the logic of the U.S. presence in NATO. It is very worrying. He correctly calls on member countries to spend more on defense, but he also calls on Russia to attack. This is completely incomprehensible.”

Speaking at a campaign rally in South Carolina, Trump said that while president he told NATO leaders that he would “encourage [Russia] to do whatever the hell they want” to alliance members that are “delinquent” in meeting the group’s spending targets.

“One of the presidents of a big country stood up and said, ‘Well, sir, if we don’t pay and we’re attacked by Russia, will you protect us?’” Trump recalled during the rally. “I said, ‘You didn’t pay. You’re delinquent.’ He said, ‘Yes, let’s say that happened.’ No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want.”

The remarks seem to suggest that Trump, the frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination, might not abide by NATO’s collective-defense clause for members that haven’t paid enough. The White House blasted the comments as endangering security and stability.

“Encouraging invasions of our closest allies by murderous regimes is appalling and unhinged — and it endangers American national security, global stability, and our economy at home,” White House spokesperson Andrew Bates said in a statement.

A POLITICO report last month revealed that Trump had told European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen in 2020 that the U.S. wouldn’t come to Europe’s defense if it was attacked. Trump alleged NATO countries subsequently spent “billions and billions” of dollars on their defenses in the wake of his threat — a claim that has not been substantiated.

Trump’s remarks come as the Biden administration and Republicans in the U.S. Congress remain at odds over a $95.3 billion military aid package, $60 billion of which is for Ukraine in its defense against Russia’s invasion.

NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg warned on Saturday about Russian President Vladimir Putin’s belligerence and its implications for the Continent. “If Putin wins in Ukraine, there is no guarantee that Russian aggression will not spread to other countries,” Stoltenberg said in an interview with German newspaper Welt Am Sonntag.

“We have to prepare ourselves for a confrontation that could last decades,” Stoltenberg said.

Trump’s comments also show a misunderstanding of how NATO functions, There is no centralized budget that countries pay into. Rather, each country pays for its own defense; with an alliance-wide commitment to spend at least 2 percent of GDP by this year.

Eleven countries in the 31-member alliance will reach that target this year; Poland is NATO’s top spender, with a total of 4.2 percent of GDP going on the military.

NATO defense ministers are set to meet in Brussels this week, including U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin.

How incredibly gullible some are!! Mind boggling, statement was made to get NATO members to anti up!,, geesus Christ
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Old 02-13-2024, 04:30 PM   #33
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How incredibly gullible some are!! Mind boggling, statement was made to get NATO members to anti up!,, geesus Christ
You must consider the source.
There are those that hate Trump so much that they are willing to swallow any of the anti- American pablum dished out by the Letftist Democrats.
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Old 02-13-2024, 06:39 PM   #34
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Trump would give Alaska back to Putin if there is money in it......for him.
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Old 02-13-2024, 10:35 PM   #35
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You must consider the source.
There are those that hate Trump so much that they are willing to swallow any of the anti- American pablum dished out by the Letftist Democrats.
Anti American? Sounds pretty proud to me…
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Old 02-14-2024, 06:22 AM   #36
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Teddy Roosevelt: Speak softly and carry a big stick.

Donald Trump: Speak loudly, say stupid things, and lie a lot

Teddy Roosevelt wouldn’t have backed down from a debate with Nicky Haley or anyone else.
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Old 02-14-2024, 09:23 AM   #37
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Trump would give Alaska back to Putin if there is money in it......for him.
You have Trump confused with Biden.

After what has come out in the House hearings in the past couple of days, it is becoming clear that “the Big Guy” HAS sold influence for cold cash.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/biden-crit...y?id=107195062
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Old 02-14-2024, 12:22 PM   #38
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You have Trump confused with Biden.

After what has come out in the House hearings in the past couple of days, it is becoming clear that “the Big Guy” HAS sold influence for cold cash.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/biden-crit...y?id=107195062
Yeah, that last paragraph is definitely a slam dunk on . . . ???

You guys must think no one reads your links, or maybe just you don't.
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Old 02-14-2024, 12:24 PM   #39
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You have the business sectors confused.


Alaska is real estate. Trump makes his living in real estate. He would find a way to make people believe giving Alaska back to Russia would MAGA. Plus he would charge a commission.
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Old 02-14-2024, 04:08 PM   #40
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You have the business sectors confused.


Alaska is real estate. Trump makes his living in real estate. He would find a way to make people believe giving Alaska back to Russia would MAGA. Plus he would charge a commission.
... And so do YOU!

... The onley business decision Trump will be making
with Alaska is - Drill Baby Drill... Which will
benefit Alaska AND the American People!

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Love the sloganeering Salty.
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Trumpster in the dumpster 2024
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Old 02-15-2024, 08:08 AM   #43
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... And so do YOU!

... The onley business decision Trump will be making
with Alaska is - Drill Baby Drill... Which will
benefit Alaska AND the American People!

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The U.S. produced more oil in 2023 than ever before and we are expected to exceed that in 2024. Obviously claims that Biden is killing the oil business are rather inaccurate.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/comm...ia-2024-01-09/
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