The state of Colorado says: fuck trump

[onawbtngr546]

Originally Posted by tommy156

Yep. If we truly wanted to "make America great again", we'd hang traitors to this country live on prime time TV. Send the fucking message, and have that message sponsored by all the biggest corporations. Like George Carlin suggested we do with bankers and hedge fund managers who launder drug money lol.

The big corporations would refuse, because at the end of the day, be you Democrat or Republican, this country is actually and truly ran by the big corporations. Only that the big corporations would want Trump to be elected again (maybe) because he was easy to control with money. Although I've seen some posts which may seem to imply that the backing side of the GOP doesn't want Trump back in because he has proven himself to be utterly unhinged.. Still, getting him off the ballot would be a win for democracy any way.

But on the subject of MAGA, the again in that motto implies that America is not currently great, and the goal is to move back to how we were when we were great.


Despite multiple questions to big MAGA supporters here, nobody has been able to give a time when America was great. When boomers were little and when the country was segregated? When the boomers parents were little, when women didn't have a right to vote? Or the 'again' actually means pre-civil war when the wealth of many families was created on the backs of slaves?

The MAGA party does seem to sound like they would be in favor of reinstating slavery..

Originally Posted by tommy156

“The absurdity of radical Democrat judges removing donald trump from the ballot in Colorado will be a stain on the American political system for decades. By their very own interpretation of the law, Joe Biden is 100% not eligible to run for political office.”

Except the Colorado case was brought forward entirely by Republicans. LOL! Jesus titty-fucking Christ, if Republicans couldn't get away with lying to their voters, they wouldn't even have a political party.

I'm also guessing the "do your own research" crowd won't look into this one little bit.

Of course Joe isn't eligible to run based off of their own interpretation of the law. Because as far as they see, the law for them is nothing but wildcards where they can put in whatever they want

[DNinja69]

Our current President is not capable of performing the job required. Trump has a number of issues that could disqualify him. We can be mad at one or both guys all we want but that does not change the fact that as of today it seems that our only two choices are guys that for one reason or another should not hold the office.

My Christmas wish is that when ballots are handed out we will have some better options. Not holding my breath

[onawbtngr546]

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...al-1234935729/




Why, oh why, would you need to be trying to claim immunity if you are already innocent, allegedly?

Claiming immunity is for the guilty. If you were innocent, what do you need to be immune from?

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by DNinja69

Our current President is not capable of performing the job required.

I keep hearing people say this, but have to disagree. He's actually doing a pretty great job with the shit sandwich he was handed, imo. All the complaints from 2021-22 have pretty much been handled. I mean, anyone who blames him for worldwide inflation can't really be reasoned with, but he's done a good job of getting it under control here at home.

All that being said, I'd rather he not run again, but to say he's "not capable of performing the job required"? Nah. He's perfectly capable.

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by onawbtngr546

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...al-1234935729/

Why, oh why, would you need to be trying to claim immunity if you are already innocent, allegedly?

Claiming immunity is for the guilty. If you were innocent, what do you need to be immune from?

Lol. Like I said earlier in this thread, if Republicans couldn't get away with lying to their voters, they wouldn't even have a political party. Bullshit is one of the very foundations of today's GOP.

[1pittsburgh]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... A Martyr?? ... Like this - ... That's SO untrue, mate.

Trump supporters think of Him like this - ...

... Rulings like this one surely create "tit-for-tat" situations.

There will be six red states looking to take Biden off the ballot.
And Trump supporters will be BEGGING them to keep him on!

#### Salty

Trump and Biden both off of the ballot in 2024 sounds like a win/win for America.

[tommy156]

I'm not psyched about Biden, but at least he doesn't hate this country and most of the people in it.

[onawbtngr546]

Originally Posted by 1pittsburgh

Trump and Biden both off of the ballot in 2024 sounds like a win/win for America.

I agree, but I just need to know who would be replacing them on the ballot, first.
I don't like Biden, that should be obvious, but I'll vote for anyone over Trump. Literally anyone. Any functioning adult over him, and unfortunately, Biden was the only functioning adult on the ballot four years ago.

[onawbtngr546]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/25/polit...ing/index.html


Congrats, tRump lovers.


Your Republican judges on the Colorado supreme court voted to enact the amendment to boot traitors out of office.
Those same Republican judges are now receiving death threats, from other Republican citizens who are angry at them for taking their favorite oompa loompa off the ballot.


Yet another example of their modus operandi regarding the law as only being applicable to them sometimes.



I bet, if more states legally boot him off the ballot, then all the people in the Trumpster are going to start to eat the flesh of our fellow brother. Because that would be totally normal and a reasonable reaction to having your messiah legally booted off the ballots, right?

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by onawbtngr546

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/25/polit...ing/index.html


Congrats, tRump lovers.


Your Republican judges on the Colorado supreme court voted to enact the amendment to boot traitors out of office.
Those same Republican judges are now receiving death threats, from other Republican citizens who are angry at them for taking their favorite oompa loompa off the ballot.


Yet another example of their modus operandi regarding the law as only being applicable to them sometimes.



I bet, if more states legally boot him off the ballot, then all the people in the Trumpster are going to start to eat the flesh of our fellow brother. Because that would be totally normal and a reasonable reaction to having your messiah legally booted off the ballots, right?

Hillary was right. A lot of trump people are fucking deplorable.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by tommy156

I mean, anyone who blames (Biden) for worldwide inflation can't really be reasoned with...

Huh?

You got it backwards!

Anyone foolish enough to argue that Joe Biden's reckless & irresponsible economic policies had NOTHING to do with spiking inflation from a mere 1.4% in Jan. 2021 (when he took office) to a rip-roaring peak of 9.1% in June 2022 (measured by the 12-month CPI increase) lacks any understanding of basic economics.

And yeah, we all know inflation has moderated since then, but only because the Federal Reserve Board has raised interest rates 11 fucking times since March 2022 - the fastest pace of monetary tightening in over 40 years!

Btw tommy, this isn't the first time you were directly challenged on this point and showed yourself incapable of being "reasoned with":

https://eccie.net/showpost.php?p=106...7&postcount=28

[lustylad]

The Folly of Colorado’s Trump Disqualification

Four state Supreme Court judges ban the former President from the 2024 ballot without due process.

By The Editorial Board
Dec. 20, 2023 6:30 pm ET


The decision by four Colorado judges to bar Donald Trump from the state presidential ballot is an ugly turn that augurs nothing but trouble for American law and democracy. Even if the U.S. Supreme Court overturns the ruling, as it probably will, the Colorado decision will confirm for millions of Americans that Mr. Trump’s opponents will do everything possible to deny them their democratic choice.

Anti-Trump lawyers have been peddling that Mr. Trump can be disqualified under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. Colorado’s 4-3 Supreme Court majority is the first court to buy the argument, and in the process it has blundered into the middle of the 2024 election. The four Democratic justices join special counsel Jack Smith and New York and Georgia prosecutors in providing ironic assistance to Mr. Trump in gaining the GOP presidential nomination, and maybe the White House.

The court says Mr. Trump is disqualified under the post-Civil War 14th Amendment because he inspired and “engaged” in an “insurrection or rebellion” against the U.S. that took place on Jan. 6, 2021. They rely largely on evidence compiled by the House Jan. 6 special committee.

Mr. Trump’s behavior after the 2020 election through Jan. 6 was disgraceful, and it is one of several reasons not to trust him with so much power again. It was an attempt to obstruct the counting of electoral votes. But the evidence is unpersuasive that this amounted to an insurrection or rebellion under the statutory or constitutional meaning of those terms.

The justices claim the 14th Amendment is “self-executing,” which means that ballot disqualification doesn’t require a conviction in court. Yet the Senate acquitted Mr. Trump of the impeachment charge of insurrection. And Mr. Smith, the special counsel, didn’t include insurrection under 18 U.S.C. Section 2383 of the U.S. criminal code in his four-count indictment of Mr. Trump. Does anyone think the hard-bitten Mr. Smith would shy from doing so if he thought he could prove it before a jury?

The court’s chief justice, Brian Boatright, cited the lack of a conviction for insurrection in his dissent from the Colorado majority. And in a separate dissent, Justice Carlos Samour wrote that Mr. Trump was denied the “procedural due process” required before disqualification is justified. The 14th Amendment was written to guarantee due process to all Americans, not to deny it.

The Colorado Four also do a legal dance around the fact that Section 3’s disqualification clause doesn’t expressly include the President. As former Attorney General Michael Mukasey explained in these pages on Sept. 8, the clause applies only to those who have taken an oath “as an officer of the United States,” so Mr. Trump can’t be barred from the ballot. The Colorado majority’s contrary reading of the clause will get careful scrutiny at the U.S. Supreme Court.

The Justices could decline to hear Mr. Trump’s appeal, but given the legal and democratic stakes they almost have to take it. This is the first time any state has used Section 3 to disqualify a presidential candidate, but if it stands in Colorado it won’t be the last. A broad definition of insurrection would open the door for other potential candidates to be disqualified depending on their participation in controversial political protests.

Dragging the Supreme Court into the presidential race is itself damaging to democracy. Mr. Smith has already asked the Justices to weigh in on Mr. Trump’s claims of immunity from prosecution. Whatever the Court decides, and especially if the Justices are divided on either question, half of the country will be angry. The political left is leading a campaign to delegitimize the Court, and these fraught cases will offer more ammunition to partisans, whatever the legal merits.

The Colorado disqualification shows how Democrats are determined to make 2024 an election decided by lawyers and courts, not by voters. They seem to believe this is the way finally to banish Donald Trump from politics, but have they been paying attention?

Their second impeachment didn’t finish him, and four indictments with 91 felony counts have caused GOP voters to rally to his side. This ballot-denial gambit is likely to have a similar effect, and it will now dominate political news up to the Jan. 15 Iowa caucuses. The Colorado Four may think they’re heroes of the resistance, but they’ve given Mr. Trump a great in-kind campaign contribution.

Democrats believe that Mr. Trump is such a threat to America’s democratic institutions that they’re justified in abusing those institutions themselves. They’re damaging democracy in the name of trying to save it.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/colorad...dment-083b1271

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by onawbtngr546

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/25/polit...ing/index.html

Congrats, tRump lovers.

Your Republican judges on the Colorado supreme court voted to enact the amendment to boot traitors out of office.
Those same Republican judges are now receiving death threats, from other Republican citizens who are angry at them for taking their favorite oompa loompa off the ballot.

What are you talking about? Did you even read your own link? It says nothing about Republicans or "Republican judges".

For the record - there are 7 justices on the Colorado Supreme Court. Only one is Republican. Three are Democrats. Three are not affiliated/registered with either major party.

The decision to disqualify Trump from the state primary ballot was reached by a slim 4-3 majority. The lone Republican justice voted with the minority.

It was a judicial decision, not an "amendment". Judges apply and interpret the law, they don't "enact" it.

All 7 justices were appointed by Democratic Governors.

Next time try to get the facts straight before you lash out irrationally.

[onawbtngr546]

The senate acquitted him because the senate was controlled by his people.

The senate doesn't have any power to overrule an amendment of the constitution.

All I have to say about this, is if the SC overrules the reach of the amendment, then democracy in our nation is a fleeting dream. There will be upheaval, and on a larger scale than when the SC overruled RvW.

The fact that some people are still defending an obvious attempt at turning the nation into a pre-ww2 Germany as nothing to worry about is just cause for concern. The people planting these seeds will not be alive to see their bounty .

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Huh?

You got it backwards!

Anyone foolish enough to argue that Joe Biden's reckless & irresponsible economic policies had NOTHING to do with spiking inflation from a mere 1.4% in Jan. 2021 (when he took office) to a rip-roaring peak of 9.1% in June 2022 (measured by the 12-month CPI increase) lacks any understanding of basic economics.

Lol. Ok. Your argument is basically that every country on earth incorporated "reckless & irresponsible economic policies" at the same time.

Anyway, back to the intended topic, if trump's sham, illegitimate SCOTUS covers his ass here, therefore scrapping the 14th Amendment, we are in deep shit as a democracy. Colorado had the balls to stand up to this career criminal, and only trump's sham, illegitimate SCOTUS can save his ass on this one.