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04-10-2023, 11:49 PM
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You are full of shit with your anti American bull shit. Trump is a fascist hypocritical piece of shit, how American is that?
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04-11-2023, 12:01 AM
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You are full of shit with your anti American bull shit. Trump is a fascist hypocritical piece of shit, how American is that?
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name one fascist thing Trump has done? or anti-American? or unconstitutional? this should be interesting.
you on the left make these claims but you can't back up any of this nonsense. just try.
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04-11-2023, 12:22 AM
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I already did in another thread. There are 14 pillars of fascism and Trump hit on all 14 points.
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Simply put, it's when all that is uttered from the lips of an authoritative figure praises the country. It's all about flags, slogans, everything that has to do with the country in question. It's the buildup that burns a fire into the bones of supporters everywhere.
The Donald Trump Quote: "Let's Make America Great Again!"
My Take: Since the day he announced his candidacy, I noticed something was definitely off about him. He kept saying how America was in shambles, painting himself as some type of hero, which I greatly disagree with.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
So, this one is the denial of people because of a deep-seated fear of national security. This happens when a leader persuades his/her followers into believing that there is a "need" that human rights should be ignored on the basis of "national security."
The Donald Trump Quote: (From his speech on the travel ban) "...'Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by the president.' Now, this isn't just me—this is for Obama, for Ronald Reagan, for the president. And this was done, very importantly, for security. It was done for the security of our nation, the security of our citizens, so that people come in who aren't going to do us harm. And that's why it was done. And it couldn't have been written any more precisely. It's not like, 'Oh, gee, we wish it were written better.' It was written beautifully."
My Take: Not only are all of his policies on any type of foreigner that isn't from somewhere in Europe, Emma Lazarus wrote about how America is "the Golden Door." He incites fear of the Muslims because in his eyes, a lot of them "hate us"
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
This one is pretty self explanatory! Basically, a leader blames everything on someone else. The leader will project blame onto a group of people that he/she thinks will unify his/her followers.
The Donald Trump Quote: "When Mexico is sending its people, they're not sending their best. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
A BONUS Quote: "Islam hates us."
My Take: Why can't we just man up and accept that WE are the problem? Our jobs are going because we aren't going out to GET them. Islam doesn't hate us, and neither do the Muslims. I know two guys in my school, brothers, one graduated, and they're the nicest people you'll ever meet. Annoying? Yes. Terrorists? No.
4. Supremacy of the Military (Coming From an Army BRAT)
So, supremacy of the military is when a leader puts the military on a pedestal. Nothing is important domestically; it's all about the military. Soldiers and war are glamorized. It's all about winning wars and nothing else.
The Donald Trump Quote: “He’s not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”
My Take: Who says this? He was quoted as saying he wants the Purple Heart, but let me tell you something, a Purple Heart is awarded to a Soldier/Marine/Sailor/Airman who was injured in the line of duty. My great-great uncle was a POW in Germany. It was so awful that he never spoke about it. Not to his wife, not to his kids, no one. Not even on his death bed. The only hint to his past were the scars all over his body.
5. Rampant Sexism
Ooh boy. The big one that sparks controversy at every turn. Politics are mostly male-dominated. There's no denying it. But when a fascist leader is in power, traditional gender roles are KEY. Simply put? Women are objects; divorce, abortion, and homosexuality are huge taboos.
The Donald Trump Tweet: "26,000 unreported sexual assaults in the military, and only 238 convictions. What did these geniuses expect when they put men & women together."
My Take: He's saying that rape is expected. Seriously? What kind of freak says that kind of stuff unless he's a sexual predator himself? This sickens me.
6. Controlled Mass Media
So, when I say "controlled mass media," I don't mean that the media is controlled directly by said leader. It could be reporters/journalists or networks/stations who are sympathetic to the leader.
The Donald Trump Tweet: "The fake news media is going crazy with their conspiracy theories and blind hatred. @MSNBC and @CNN are unwatchable. @foxandfriends is great!
My Take: He can't be serious, can he? Any media that says anything bad about him is attacked by his tweets or his words. Any butt kisser media networks are okay in his book.
7. Obsession With National Security
This happens when a leader uses fear to motivate people, such as jobs being taken, threats of war, spies, etc. They call for drastic action in response.
The Donald Trump Quote: "I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I will make Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words."
My Take: Listen, there is a problem, I'll agree, but is building a wall that Mexico refuses to pay for a solution? How does that reflect on the American people?
8. Religion and government are intertwined.
Fascist governments usually use the most common religion as a focal point. There's always religious undertones in their speeches and they use it to gain more support from the previously mentioned religious community.
The Donald Trump Quote: "I will be the greatest jobs president that God ever created."
My Take: I'm not sure what religion Donald thinks he's relating to, but all religions have two ideas in common, which are love and compassion, two things our president DEFINITELY lacks. Using God as a way to gain more support is despicable.
9. Corporate power is protected.
It's all about money and business, isn't it? In fascist governments, businesses are glorified and so are those in positions of power in the industries are kind of like four star generals in the eyes of fascists. This creates a government/business link.
The Donald Trump Quote: "If business isn't a brand, it's a commodity."
My Take: I get that he was a businessman in the past, but attacking mom and pop shops is low. He believes that anything outside of big business should be gobbled up by the system.
10. Labor power is suppressed.
Labor unions are the number one enemy of fascism. Labor unions are either eliminated under fascist regime or suppressed.
The Donald Trump Quote: N/A
My Take: Seems like this is the only category he doesn't fit into...
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascists typically frown upon higher education, and expression is severely judged. Free expression is attacked.
The Donald Trump Tweet: "It is not 'freedom of the press' when newspapers and others are allowed to say and write whatever they want, even if it is completely false!"
My Take: Let's read that statement again... Did you read it? Okay. He says that the media shouldn't be able to write whatever they want, which literally takes away the term "freedom of the press." I find it funny how he contradicts himself at every turn.
12. Obsession With Crime and Punishment
This one is self-explanatory. Basically, law enforcement has the utmost power, and police brutality is overlooked in the name of "patriotism."
The Donald Trump Tweet: "If Chicago doesn't fix the horrible "carnage" going on, 228 shootings in 2017 with 42 killings (up 42 percent from 2016), I will send in the feds!"
My Take: Sending in the feds won't do much in the way of fixing the crime rate. That might cause more violence instead of less.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist leaders tend to put their buddies in positions of power, kind of like a "you scratch my back" scenario. It doesn't matter if this person has qualifications or not. If you know them, they're in power.
The Donald Trump Tweet: "DeVos is right. Handicapped and minority children are too disruptive in the classroom. Disaster! Perhaps not everyone needs K-12 education."
My Take: Have you seen who he's appointed to power? DeVos is all about private schools and is horrifically inept when it comes to anything about education. She knows virtually nothing, and despite her hilariously awful committee hearing, she is in a position of power, despite her lack of experience.
14. Fraudulent Elections
In fascist governments, elections are very dishonest. Most of the time, there's interference or controlled voting.
The Donald Trump Tweet: "In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally.
My Take: Yeah, there was illegal voting, but that was on the side of our president. Recently, Trump Jr. admitted to colluding with Russia. Now tell me, how is that legal? He fired James Comey from the FBI because he was suspicious, and still there's enough suspicion to keep digging.
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04-11-2023, 12:27 AM
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Trump gets a pass on number 10, but in general Republicans are anti union so trump just had to go with the Republican norm on that one.
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04-11-2023, 12:37 AM
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- Nationalism and a belief in the superiority of one's own nation or people.
- Authoritarianism and a rejection of democratic values and institutions.
- Militarism and a glorification of war and violence.
- Totalitarianism and the desire to control all aspects of society and the economy.
- Anti-communism and a rejection of socialist or communist ideologies.
- Racism and a belief in the inherent superiority of certain races or ethnic groups.
- Anti-Semitism and a belief in Jewish conspiracies or control of society.
- Anti-feminism and a rejection of gender equality.
- Anti-intellectualism and a rejection of scientific or academic knowledge.
- Propaganda and a focus on mass media and communication as a means of controlling public opinion.
- Cult of personality and a focus on a single charismatic leader or figure.
- Corporatism and a belief in the importance of strong ties between government and business.
- Traditionalism and a desire to return to traditional values and social hierarchies.
- Scapegoating and a tendency to blame societal problems on vulnerable groups or minorities.
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04-11-2023, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by royamcr
I already did in another thread. There are 14 pillars of fascism and Trump hit on all 14 points.
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Simply put, it's when all that is uttered from the lips of an authoritative figure praises the country. It's all about flags, slogans, everything that has to do with the country in question. It's the buildup that burns a fire into the bones of supporters everywhere.
The Donald Trump Quote: "Let's Make America Great Again!"
My Take: Since the day he announced his candidacy, I noticed something was definitely off about him. He kept saying how America was in shambles, painting himself as some type of hero, which I greatly disagree with.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
So, this one is the denial of people because of a deep-seated fear of national security. This happens when a leader persuades his/her followers into believing that there is a "need" that human rights should be ignored on the basis of "national security."
The Donald Trump Quote: (From his speech on the travel ban) "...'Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by the president.' Now, this isn't just me—this is for Obama, for Ronald Reagan, for the president. And this was done, very importantly, for security. It was done for the security of our nation, the security of our citizens, so that people come in who aren't going to do us harm. And that's why it was done. And it couldn't have been written any more precisely. It's not like, 'Oh, gee, we wish it were written better.' It was written beautifully."
My Take: Not only are all of his policies on any type of foreigner that isn't from somewhere in Europe, Emma Lazarus wrote about how America is "the Golden Door." He incites fear of the Muslims because in his eyes, a lot of them "hate us"
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
This one is pretty self explanatory! Basically, a leader blames everything on someone else. The leader will project blame onto a group of people that he/she thinks will unify his/her followers.
The Donald Trump Quote: "When Mexico is sending its people, they're not sending their best. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
A BONUS Quote: "Islam hates us."
My Take: Why can't we just man up and accept that WE are the problem? Our jobs are going because we aren't going out to GET them. Islam doesn't hate us, and neither do the Muslims. I know two guys in my school, brothers, one graduated, and they're the nicest people you'll ever meet. Annoying? Yes. Terrorists? No.
4. Supremacy of the Military (Coming From an Army BRAT)
So, supremacy of the military is when a leader puts the military on a pedestal. Nothing is important domestically; it's all about the military. Soldiers and war are glamorized. It's all about winning wars and nothing else.
The Donald Trump Quote: “He’s not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”
My Take: Who says this? He was quoted as saying he wants the Purple Heart, but let me tell you something, a Purple Heart is awarded to a Soldier/Marine/Sailor/Airman who was injured in the line of duty. My great-great uncle was a POW in Germany. It was so awful that he never spoke about it. Not to his wife, not to his kids, no one. Not even on his death bed. The only hint to his past were the scars all over his body.
5. Rampant Sexism
Ooh boy. The big one that sparks controversy at every turn. Politics are mostly male-dominated. There's no denying it. But when a fascist leader is in power, traditional gender roles are KEY. Simply put? Women are objects; divorce, abortion, and homosexuality are huge taboos.
The Donald Trump Tweet: "26,000 unreported sexual assaults in the military, and only 238 convictions. What did these geniuses expect when they put men & women together."
My Take: He's saying that rape is expected. Seriously? What kind of freak says that kind of stuff unless he's a sexual predator himself? This sickens me.
6. Controlled Mass Media
So, when I say "controlled mass media," I don't mean that the media is controlled directly by said leader. It could be reporters/journalists or networks/stations who are sympathetic to the leader.
The Donald Trump Tweet: "The fake news media is going crazy with their conspiracy theories and blind hatred. @MSNBC and @CNN are unwatchable. @foxandfriends is great!
My Take: He can't be serious, can he? Any media that says anything bad about him is attacked by his tweets or his words. Any butt kisser media networks are okay in his book.
7. Obsession With National Security
This happens when a leader uses fear to motivate people, such as jobs being taken, threats of war, spies, etc. They call for drastic action in response.
The Donald Trump Quote: "I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I will make Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words."
My Take: Listen, there is a problem, I'll agree, but is building a wall that Mexico refuses to pay for a solution? How does that reflect on the American people?
8. Religion and government are intertwined.
Fascist governments usually use the most common religion as a focal point. There's always religious undertones in their speeches and they use it to gain more support from the previously mentioned religious community.
The Donald Trump Quote: "I will be the greatest jobs president that God ever created."
My Take: I'm not sure what religion Donald thinks he's relating to, but all religions have two ideas in common, which are love and compassion, two things our president DEFINITELY lacks. Using God as a way to gain more support is despicable.
9. Corporate power is protected.
It's all about money and business, isn't it? In fascist governments, businesses are glorified and so are those in positions of power in the industries are kind of like four star generals in the eyes of fascists. This creates a government/business link.
The Donald Trump Quote: "If business isn't a brand, it's a commodity."
My Take: I get that he was a businessman in the past, but attacking mom and pop shops is low. He believes that anything outside of big business should be gobbled up by the system.
10. Labor power is suppressed.
Labor unions are the number one enemy of fascism. Labor unions are either eliminated under fascist regime or suppressed.
The Donald Trump Quote: N/A
My Take: Seems like this is the only category he doesn't fit into...
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascists typically frown upon higher education, and expression is severely judged. Free expression is attacked.
The Donald Trump Tweet: "It is not 'freedom of the press' when newspapers and others are allowed to say and write whatever they want, even if it is completely false!"
My Take: Let's read that statement again... Did you read it? Okay. He says that the media shouldn't be able to write whatever they want, which literally takes away the term "freedom of the press." I find it funny how he contradicts himself at every turn.
12. Obsession With Crime and Punishment
This one is self-explanatory. Basically, law enforcement has the utmost power, and police brutality is overlooked in the name of "patriotism."
The Donald Trump Tweet: "If Chicago doesn't fix the horrible "carnage" going on, 228 shootings in 2017 with 42 killings (up 42 percent from 2016), I will send in the feds!"
My Take: Sending in the feds won't do much in the way of fixing the crime rate. That might cause more violence instead of less.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist leaders tend to put their buddies in positions of power, kind of like a "you scratch my back" scenario. It doesn't matter if this person has qualifications or not. If you know them, they're in power.
The Donald Trump Tweet: "DeVos is right. Handicapped and minority children are too disruptive in the classroom. Disaster! Perhaps not everyone needs K-12 education."
My Take: Have you seen who he's appointed to power? DeVos is all about private schools and is horrifically inept when it comes to anything about education. She knows virtually nothing, and despite her hilariously awful committee hearing, she is in a position of power, despite her lack of experience.
14. Fraudulent Elections
In fascist governments, elections are very dishonest. Most of the time, there's interference or controlled voting.
The Donald Trump Tweet: "In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally.
My Take: Yeah, there was illegal voting, but that was on the side of our president. Recently, Trump Jr. admitted to colluding with Russia. Now tell me, how is that legal? He fired James Comey from the FBI because he was suspicious, and still there's enough suspicion to keep digging.
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uhhh No. fail. none of this boiler plate descriptions proves Trump and by extension Republicans are fascists.
it's nothing more than your opinion based on progressive liberal nonsense. the progressives call everything that they don't like "fascist". and given they are a bunch of communist socialists of course that's what they think. does not make them right.
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04-11-2023, 08:19 PM
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I see Vulva made a brief reappearance and incorporated something he's probably seen lots of in his handle this time. Wonder why he picked something he's probably never seen the first time?
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04-11-2023, 09:05 PM
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uhhh No. fail. none of this boiler plate descriptions proves Trump and by extension Republicans are fascists.
it's nothing more than your opinion based on progressive liberal nonsense. the progressives call everything that they don't like "fascist". and given they are a bunch of communist socialists of course that's what they think. does not make them right.
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Fascists do fascist things. If the shoe fits.... Not all republicans are.
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04-11-2023, 09:13 PM
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Fascists do fascist things. If the shoe fits.... Not all republicans are.
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Biden should be impeached for treason.
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04-11-2023, 10:01 PM
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04-11-2023, 11:04 PM
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Biden should be impeached for treason.
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Lol never will even be close to happening. Even if he is impeached a split senate will never convict. Total waste of time even thinking about it.
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04-11-2023, 11:09 PM
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Bullshit. Trumps fuckups will be felt for years. So far things are shored up pretty well, but the inflation up till now is probably permanent. You can't tell me that trump magically would have prevented everything in the last 2 years.
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What fuck ups are you talking about?
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04-11-2023, 11:17 PM
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You are full of shit with your anti American bull shit. Trump is a fascist hypocritical piece of shit, how American is that?
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Dude please, it's obvious you're frustrated woke liberal. You have no clue what it means to be American. The Democratic party is nothing but a band of sordid characters who pretend to be righteous. It's easy to see through their act. Those that fall for it are just plain dumb. That's being Anti-American.
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04-12-2023, 01:25 PM
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How is life in Dolts-ville?
Do ya'l even have a Walmart? I know several have been pulling up tent stakes in Shitcago and San Fran lately.
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1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Simply put, it's when all that is uttered from the lips of an authoritative figure praises the country. It's all about flags, slogans, everything that has to do with the country in question. It's the buildup that burns a fire into the bones of supporters everywhere.
The Donald Trump Quote: "Let's Make America Great Again!"
My Take: Since the day he announced his candidacy, I noticed something was definitely off about him. He kept saying how America was in shambles, painting himself as some type of hero, which I greatly disagree with...
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Maybe you should consider something known as facts: - There are about 195 recognized countries and few odd balls like Taiwan and such
So practically every country in the entire world is fascist by your definition???
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...2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
So, this one is the denial of people because of a deep-seated fear of national security. This happens when a leader persuades his/her followers into believing that there is a "need" that human rights should be ignored on the basis of "national security."
The Donald Trump Quote: (From his speech on the travel ban) "...'Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by the president.' Now, this isn't just me—this is for Obama, for Ronald Reagan, for the president. And this was done, very importantly, for security. It was done for the security of our nation, the security of our citizens, so that people come in who aren't going to do us harm. And that's why it was done. And it couldn't have been written any more precisely. It's not like, 'Oh, gee, we wish it were written better.' It was written beautifully."
My Take: Not only are all of his policies on any type of foreigner that isn't from somewhere in Europe, Emma Lazarus wrote about how America is "the Golden Door." He incites fear of the Muslims because in his eyes, a lot of them "hate us"...
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Xenophobia much Mr Biden? Lemme see - an unidentified voracious germ is pillaging a country, so someone has the idea to restrict access by temporarily blocking them to infect our country and you got a problem with that?!? I would consider someone that would not do it to be the Mayor of Dolts-ville.
Let's look at the Golden Door of yours, as in the one on your front or back porch. Do they have a lock? Can anyone, at any time, waltz in and make themselves at home, on your dime? If not, how does one get through the Golen Door? Do they kick it in, knock, ring the bell? How about asking permission? Let's clarify that NO can be an answer.
Here's a great way to test your theory:
Go to the airport. Buy a ticket to Australia, without showing ID. When you get to Australia, tell them you are there to live and work and you don't need no stinking Visa. Get back to us on the results.
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...3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
This one is pretty self explanatory! Basically, a leader blames everything on someone else. The leader will project blame onto a group of people that he/she thinks will unify his/her followers.
The Donald Trump Quote: "When Mexico is sending its people, they're not sending their best. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."...
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Seems simple enough to prove. What are the educations levels and criminal back grounds of the entrants? Let alone what value they have to offer besides existing. Can you provide that for us?
- Number of PhDs entering
- Number with a Masters degree
- Numbers with 4 year College degrees
- Numbers with 2 year College degrees/technical certifications
- Numbers with High School diplomas
- Numbers that graduated Elementary school
Bonus quiz:
Q) Of those 195 countries, people from how many of them are crossing our Southern border these days?
A) unvetted people from about 164 countries. Seem safe to you?
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...4. Supremacy of the Military (Coming From an Army BRAT)...So, supremacy of the military is when a leader puts the military on a pedestal. Nothing is important domestically; it's all about the military. Soldiers and war are glamorized. It's all about winning wars and nothing else....
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I believe you had this as #2 in your follow on post:
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...2 Militarism and a glorification of war and violence...
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I'm taking it you never heard of NATO? Any idea why most nations even have a military? Could it be for National security? Maybe you forgot or didn't learn about our Bill of Rights, as in why is it there. Because the States would not sign on to the Constitution without it is why. They had just fought a war against a tyrant and didn't want a national military to repeat same in the future. But if you are predisposed to test the theory, walk in to any VFW and yell one of the following slogans to guage the responce level for each leader:
- Make America Great! Trump 2024
- F*ck Joe Biden
Get to us with your test results
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...5. Rampant Sexism
Ooh boy. The big one that sparks controversy at every turn. Politics are mostly male-dominated. There's no denying it...
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Lemme guess - that doesn't sound sexist to you right off the git go. Huh? Hell Joe "finger bang" Biden wouldn't even acknowledge his accusers allegations or release the records to prove they were correct.
I doubt it's ever Sunny in Dolts-ville and frankly, ya'll will probably never get a Walmart there either. But with any luck, indoor plumbing might become a thing there.
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04-12-2023, 04:25 PM
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Location: down under Pittsburgh
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... Ca'mon, mates... Let's all stow the jibes and insults
- no need to get points - and get ourselves back to the
issue at hand... Will Joe get Impeached??
Rather obvious Americans DON'T want Joe to run again.
He's ruined the country!
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