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Old 04-08-2023, 01:18 PM   #1
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Default The future of Taiwan...

...in the day and age of Biden.

Like the movie Bullworth. Warren Beatty as Senator Bullworth tells a gathering of black people, you didn't pay. Sure, I'll come here and say that I care but you didn't fork over any money to my campaign. Take the Jews, they gave lots of money and for that I love Israel.

Taiwan didn't pay, Communist China did and they kept the receipts that could put Joe, Ashley, Hunter, and James in prison. Probably Jill too.
So Biden will make a lot of noise and he might make some form of action that will be too late and too small to change the outcome. Think Afghanistan writ larger.

The big question is, how far will China go? The Communist Party of China has not been reluctant to kill Chinese people. So, a small nuclear strike is not out of the question...in my opinion. It would serve two immediate purposes. It would destroy large concentrations of Taiwanese military forces and/or government buildings and it would put countries like PI and Japan on notice what they can expect if they resist.

Beside occupying Taiwan, China would like to deny their solid-state chips from the United States. Destroy or capture, the result is the same. This weekend China has three aircraft carriers circling Taiwan.

Anyone want to buy stock in the Taiwan electronic industry?
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Old 04-09-2023, 08:37 AM   #2
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Old 04-09-2023, 11:08 AM   #3
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Are you asking me whether I can recall if the vintage article you posted is coincident to the 50 former Intelligence Officials that claimed the Laptop from Hell was Russian disinformation on or about October 19, 2020? Why_Yes_I_Can:

50 former intelligence officials warn NY Post story sounds like Russian disinformation
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Up to 20 Chinese and Taiwanese vessels 'in stand off’ in Taiwan Strait buffer zone as China carries out simulated strikes on 'key targets' with dozens of jets and eight warships during second day of military drills

  • It comes as drill exercises sparked condemnation from Taipei and called for restraint from Washington
  • The three day operation was dubbed 'Joint Sword'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...le-island.html


Ten ships from China and another ten from Taiwan have been involved in a stand-off near the Taiwan Strait's median line.


It comes as Chinese fighter jets and warships simulated strikes on Taiwan Sunday as they encircled the island during a second straight day of military drills that were launched in response to its president, Tsai Ing-Wen, meeting the US House speaker.


Taiwan's defense ministry said it had spotted 58 Chinese aircraft, including Su-30 fighters and H-6 bombers, as well as nine ships, around Taiwan.


The exercises sparked condemnation from Taipei and calls for restraint from Washington, which said it was 'monitoring Beijing's actions closely'.


Dubbed 'Joint Sword', the three-day operation - which includes rehearsing an encirclement of Taiwan - will run until Monday, the People's Liberation Army's (PLA) Eastern Theatre Command said.


'I am a little worried; I would be lying to you if I say that I am not,' said 73-year-old Donald Ho, who was exercising in a park on Sunday morning in Taipei, in the far north of the self-ruled island.


I am still worried because if a war broke out both sides will suffer quite a lot,' he told AFP.


China's war games saw planes, ships and personnel sent into 'the maritime areas and air space of the Taiwan Strait, off the northern and southern coasts of the island, and to the island's east', the army said as it launched the exercises, engineered to flex Beijing's military muscles in front of Taiwan and the world.


A report from state broadcaster CCTV on Sunday said drills had 'simulated joint precision strikes against key targets on Taiwan island and surrounding waters', adding that forces 'continued to maintain the situation of closely encircling the island'.


The write-up went on to say the air force had deployed dozens of aircraft to 'fly into the target airspace', and ground forces had carried out drills for 'multi-target precision strikes'.


Tsai Ing-wen immediately denounced the drills, which come after she met with US House Speaker Kevin McCarthy in California.


She pledged to work with 'the US and other like-minded countries' in the face of 'continued authoritarian expansionism'.


In Washington, a State Department spokesperson said the United States had 'consistently urged restraint and no change to the status quo', but noted it had ample resources to fulfil its security commitments in Asia.


The United States has been deliberately ambiguous on whether it would defend Taiwan militarily, although for decades it has sold weapons to Taipei to help ensure its self-defense.


Exercises on Monday will include live-fire drills off the rocky coast of China's Fujian province, about 80 kilometres (50 miles) south of Taiwan's Matsu Islands and 186 kilometres from Taipei.


'These operations serve as a stern warning against the collusion between separatist forces seeking "Taiwan independence" and external forces and against their provocative activities,' said Shi Yin, a PLA spokesman.


'The operations are necessary for safeguarding China's national sovereignty and territorial integrity.'


AFP saw no immediate signs of enhanced military maneuvers on the northern coast of Pingtan, a Chinese island across the strait from Taiwan where the live-ammunition exercises will kick off on Monday.


A smattering of tourists wandered the golden sands on Sunday morning, as fishing boats bobbed in the wharf beyond.


China views democratic, self-ruled Taiwan as part of its territory and has vowed to take it one day, by force if necessary.


Taiwan's defence ministry said on Sunday it had detected nine Chinese warships and 58 aircraft around the island. On Saturday the same number of ships were tracked, along with more than 70 aircraft.


The ministry said it was monitoring Chinese military 'movements through (a) joint intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance system', adding the warplanes detected until 12 pm local time (0400 GMT) included a mix of fighter jets and bombers.


The number of aircraft crossings into Taiwan's southwestern air defense identification zone (ADIZ) on Saturday was the highest recorded in a single day this year, according to data collected by AFP.


'The CCP (Chinese Communist Party) has continued to conduct military exercises around the Taiwan Strait and since this morning it has successively dispatched multiple batches of aircraft... as well as a number of ships in the area,' the defense ministry said on Sunday.


'The military has been closely monitoring the situation for relevant developments, and tasked aircraft, ships and ground missile systems to respond accordingly,' it added.


The drills came hours after the departure from Beijing of French President Emmanuel Macron, who was in China to urge his counterpart Xi Jinping to help bring an end to the war in Ukraine.


In August last year, China deployed warships, missiles and fighter jets around Taiwan in its largest show of force in years following a trip to the island by McCarthy's predecessor, Nancy Pelosi.


Tsai returned to Taiwan on Friday after visiting her island's dwindling band of official diplomatic allies in Latin America, with two US stopovers that included meetings with McCarthy and other lawmakers.
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Old 04-10-2023, 08:12 PM   #5
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The US could sink every CCP ship in the Taiwan Straight and they would not even know we did it.
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Old 04-16-2023, 01:02 PM   #6
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...in the day and age of Biden.

Like the movie Bullworth. Warren Beatty as Senator Bullworth tells a gathering of black people, you didn't pay. Sure, I'll come here and say that I care but you didn't fork over any money to my campaign. Take the Jews, they gave lots of money and for that I love Israel.

Taiwan didn't pay, Communist China did and they kept the receipts that could put Joe, Ashley, Hunter, and James in prison. Probably Jill too.
So Biden will make a lot of noise and he might make some form of action that will be too late and too small to change the outcome. Think Afghanistan writ larger.

The big question is, how far will China go? The Communist Party of China has not been reluctant to kill Chinese people. So, a small nuclear strike is not out of the question...in my opinion. It would serve two immediate purposes. It would destroy large concentrations of Taiwanese military forces and/or government buildings and it would put countries like PI and Japan on notice what they can expect if they resist.

Beside occupying Taiwan, China would like to deny their solid-state chips from the United States. Destroy or capture, the result is the same. This weekend China has three aircraft carriers circling Taiwan.

Anyone want to buy stock in the Taiwan electronic industry?
china are like Tiger sharks. Orcas and whales really are the only ones who can deal with them.

question is who is the Orcas and who is the whales.
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Old 04-16-2023, 01:11 PM   #7
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The US could sink every CCP ship in the Taiwan Straight and they would not even know we did it.
true that. however.

theres another data point to consider. the number of missiles cells as opposed to number of ships.

i think the USN has more missiles per ship than china has.
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