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Old 11-16-2022, 02:53 PM   #1
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Default Shapiro acknowledges voter fraud by HIS former campaign consultant

Clean up on aisle 5. After downplaying during the election GOP claims of voter fraud, Shapiro reverses course when his former campaign consultant was caught red handed

Where are all the election fraud deniers? Tell me again voter fraud doesn't exist

Pennsylvania AG Josh Shapiro Charges His Own Former Campaign Consultant with ‘Wide Scale’ Voter Fraud

Pennsylvania governor-elect Josh Shapiro, who rose to prominence by downplaying Republican claims of voter fraud, charged one of his former campaign consultants on Wednesday with "wide scale" forgery of voter ballots.

Shapiro, in his capacity as Pennsylvania attorney general, alleges that Philadelphia political consultant Rasheen Crews duplicated more than 1,000 signatures on petitions to add his clients to Democratic primary ballots for Philadelphia city elections in 2019.

"By soliciting and organizing the wide scale forgery of signatures, the defendant undermined the democratic process and Philadelphians’ right to a free and fair election," Shapiro said in a statement announcing the charges.

The announcement of the indictment just a week after the gubernatorial election could raise questions for Shapiro, who was a strident critic of Republicans who cast doubt on the results of the 2020 election in Pennsylvania. According to an arrest affidavit, Shapiro’s office opened an investigation into Crews in September 2019. It is unclear why it took three years to bring charges against him.

Crews has consulted for dozens of state and local candidates over the years, campaign finance disclosures show. Shapiro’s attorney general campaign paid Crews $2,000 in 2016, according to the Pennsylvania campaign finance database.

Crews’s clients denied knowledge of the forgery scheme, according to the affidavit. Crews allegedly hired individuals to forge signatures to get his clients placed on Democratic primary ballots for municipal elections in Philadelphia. He had the ballot petitions notarized and then filed with the Pennsylvania Department of State.

James Berardinelli, who hired Crews to obtain signatures for a judicial campaign, told Shapiro’s office he was unaware that Crews had included forged signatures on his ballot petition.

At the federal level, Rep. Dwight Evans (D., Pa.) paid Crews $19,075 for a variety of services since 2016. The campaign paid Crews $800 in May to serve as a poll worker, according to filings with the Federal Election Commission. Evans hired Crews for grassroots organizing, "voter contact," and "petitions" in the 2016 and 2018 cycles. Evans was elected in a special election in 2016 to replace former Rep. Chaka Fattah (D., Pa.), who resigned from Congress in June 2016 after his conviction on fraud and racketeering charges.

The International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers’s Philadelphia chapter paid Crews $50,625 between 2014 and 2016, campaign disclosures show. The Department of Justice accused the union last year of waging an intimidation campaign against rank-and-file members since at least 2014 to force them to vote for incumbent union leaders.

The offices of Shapiro and Evans did not respond to requests for comment.

https://freebeacon.com/democrats/pen...e-voter-fraud/
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Old 11-16-2022, 03:38 PM   #2
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Forging signatures to get someone on a primary ballot at all ≠ Widespread voter fraud in a general election.


This wasn't even for messing with people's votes. It was just to get people's names put on ballots. Which while that is definitely illegal, and that guy should definitely get in trouble for it, it would be a pretty wild stretch to try to connect that with people forging ballots or adding votes.
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Old 11-16-2022, 03:44 PM   #3
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Forging signatures to get someone on a primary ballot at all ≠ Widespread voter fraud in a general election.


This wasn't even for messing with people's votes. It was just to get people's names put on ballots. Which while that is definitely illegal, and that guy should definitely get in trouble for it, it would be a pretty wild stretch to try to connect that with people forging ballots or adding votes.
Exactly what I was gonna say. No reasonable person would call this "forging ballots."
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Old 11-16-2022, 03:49 PM   #4
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Forging signatures to get someone on a primary ballot at all ≠ Widespread voter fraud in a general election.


This wasn't even for messing with people's votes. It was just to get people's names put on ballots. Which while that is definitely illegal, and that guy should definitely get in trouble for it, it would be a pretty wild stretch to try to connect that with people forging ballots or adding votes.
"By soliciting and organizing the wide scale forgery of signatures, the defendant undermined the democratic process and Philadelphians’ right to a free and fair election," Shapiro said in a statement announcing the charges.

And if you think they stopped at just forging signatures to get someone on a ballot, and not forging them on mail in ballots, I have some nice swampland for sale for you
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Old 11-16-2022, 03:58 PM   #5
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And if you think they stopped at just forging signatures to get someone on a ballot, and not forging them on mail in ballots, I have some nice swampland for sale for you
Once again you're talking pure fantasy. What you claim has not even been charged, let alone proven. It's interesting to me that you have no problem with an actual recording of the then president of the United States, clearly trying to alter the election, by saying to an election official in a threatening manner, "I just want you to find 11,780 votes," which was the exact number he needed to swing the state, but you'll make up charges like "forging ballots" out of thin air, if it fits your narrative.

And you're mad at Shapiro for doing his job. I see democrats holding other democrats accountable a lot more frequently than I see republicans holding other republicans accountable.
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Old 11-16-2022, 04:27 PM   #6
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Once again you're talking pure fantasy. What you claim has not even been charged, let alone proven. It's interesting to me that you have no problem with an actual recording of the then president of the United States, clearly trying to alter the election, by saying to an election official in a threatening manner, "I just want you to find 11,780 votes," which was the exact number he needed to swing the state, but you'll make up charges like "forging ballots" out of thin air, if it fits your narrative.

And you're mad at Shapiro for doing his job. I see democrats holding other democrats accountable a lot more frequently than I see republicans holding other republicans accountable.
First, read the story - he has been charged with the wide scale forgery of signatures to get on a ballot.

Second, you would have to be incredibly naive or stupid to think someone will cheat just to get on the ballot but not at the ballot box

Third, Philly has a history of voter fraud. Here is another example of buying made up votes:

https://whyy.org/articles/ozzie-myer...-fraud-prison/

Fourth, where did I say I was mad at Shapiro for indicting this guy? I pointed out Shapiro's slow walking of this charge and his blatant hypocrisy after he downplayed during the election GOP claims of voter fraud.

Fifth, again where are all the election fraud deniers? Tell me again voter fraud doesn't exist
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Old 11-16-2022, 06:59 PM   #7
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First, read the story - he has been charged with the wide scale forgery of signatures to get on a ballot.

Second, you would have to be incredibly naive or stupid to think someone will cheat just to get on the ballot but not at the ballot box

Third, Philly has a history of voter fraud. Here is another example of buying made up votes:

https://whyy.org/articles/ozzie-myer...-fraud-prison/

Fourth, where did I say I was mad at Shapiro for indicting this guy? I pointed out Shapiro's slow walking of this charge and his blatant hypocrisy after he downplayed during the election GOP claims of voter fraud.

Fifth, again where are all the election fraud deniers? Tell me again voter fraud doesn't exist
There's absolutely no proof of him "forging ballots." That's just another far right fantasy.

No one said that election fraud doesn't exist. That's another straw man you've put up to argue against, since you have no proof of your allegation of forging ballots.

As far as election fraud existing, I've just referenced an obvious example of your hero trying to rig an election, but you don't seem to mind that.
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Old 11-17-2022, 12:20 AM   #8
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There's absolutely no proof of him "forging ballots." That's just another far right fantasy.

No one said that election fraud doesn't exist. That's another straw man you've put up to argue against, since you have no proof of your allegation of forging ballots.
As I said, someone would have to be incredibly naive or stupid to think someone will cheat just to get on the ballot but not at the ballot box
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Old 11-17-2022, 12:23 AM   #9
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I can't even talk to this dude anymore. Nothing but "infractions" even though I'm just addressing what's being said. Just let him wallow in his voter fraud fantasies.
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Old 11-17-2022, 01:29 PM   #10
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He's reported me to the mods a bunch of times as well, even though I just tell the truth about what he says.
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Old 11-17-2022, 01:44 PM   #11
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As I said, someone would have to be incredibly naive or stupid to think someone will cheat just to get on the ballot but not at the ballot box
I'm not concerned with what someone will do. I'm concerned with what they did. Show me the proof that he forged ballots. Otherwise it's just a lie.
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Old 11-19-2022, 08:34 AM   #12
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I guess it was just another lie.
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